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RE: JMU faces $ Cap - DNR 1-29-15
Never in doubt.

Now, whats the next move?

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04-12-2015 02:17 AM
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JMU faces $ Cap - DNR 1-29-15
(04-11-2015 09:50 PM)jmusuperfan Wrote:  
(04-11-2015 09:17 PM)Oldduke Wrote:  From the DNR article on tuition increase at JMU ...

"The university also has until the next budget cycle to implement a new state requirement for athletics funding, which was signed into law last month.

As a school with a Division I-AA football program, the cost of JMU athletics that can be subsidized by student fees will be capped at 70 percent.

The Daily News-Record previously reported that more than 78 percent of JMU’s athletic revenues came from student fees this school year, but King said not all that money must be included in the subsidy.

The new law makes exceptions for athletics-related debt service costs, agency fees required for all auxiliary services, and “spirit groups” costs, such as the JMU Marching Royal Dukes band and cheerleaders.

King said these expenditures do not need to be included in the subsidized percentage because they are either state-mandated expenditures or, in the case of spirit groups, serve nonathletic purposes in addition to their sports-related duties.

With these exclusions, student fees will make up 60 percent of athletics revenue, according to the board’s meeting documents. JMU had 499 student athletes this school year, about 2.5 percent of the total student body."

Sweet. Awfully close to 55% already

...or does that mean we are happy in FCS since the percentage of student fees has to be less than 70% ?
04-12-2015 04:08 AM
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RE: JMU faces $ Cap - DNR 1-29-15
(04-12-2015 04:08 AM)jmu-fan-1981 Wrote:  
(04-11-2015 09:50 PM)jmusuperfan Wrote:  
(04-11-2015 09:17 PM)Oldduke Wrote:  From the DNR article on tuition increase at JMU ...

"The university also has until the next budget cycle to implement a new state requirement for athletics funding, which was signed into law last month.

As a school with a Division I-AA football program, the cost of JMU athletics that can be subsidized by student fees will be capped at 70 percent.

The Daily News-Record previously reported that more than 78 percent of JMU’s athletic revenues came from student fees this school year, but King said not all that money must be included in the subsidy.

The new law makes exceptions for athletics-related debt service costs, agency fees required for all auxiliary services, and “spirit groups” costs, such as the JMU Marching Royal Dukes band and cheerleaders.

King said these expenditures do not need to be included in the subsidized percentage because they are either state-mandated expenditures or, in the case of spirit groups, serve nonathletic purposes in addition to their sports-related duties.

With these exclusions, student fees will make up 60 percent of athletics revenue, according to the board’s meeting documents. JMU had 499 student athletes this school year, about 2.5 percent of the total student body."

Sweet. Awfully close to 55% already

...or does that mean our decision makers are happy in FCS since the percentage of student fees has to be less than 70% ?

FIFY
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JMU faces $ Cap - DNR 1-29-15
So through exclusions, such as the mrd budget being excluded, we're really only at 60% subsidized currently?
04-12-2015 10:12 AM
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(04-12-2015 10:12 AM)Potomac Wrote:  So through exclusions, such as the mrd budget being excluded, we're really only at 60% subsidized currently?

seems so, according to King.

And, if you believe the Carr report, our student fee subsidy would drop another 5+% (as a % of total AD budget) if we go FBS.

From my discussions with JMU, all our ducks are now in a row. However, there is a substantial fear in Harrisonburg that we are too late to the FBS table.
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They need to bite the bullet and commit to the sun belt.
04-12-2015 10:24 AM
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(04-12-2015 10:24 AM)Potomac Wrote:  They need to bite the bullet and commit to the sun belt.

I agree. JMU's admin likely knew about UAB dropping football. I doubt we're in play for that CUSA spot, but I can understand wanting to have that ironed out before going to the SBC. What happens if ASU gets that CUSA spot? Then we're in the SBC with no regional partners and NO history.
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(04-12-2015 10:32 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 10:24 AM)Potomac Wrote:  They need to bite the bullet and commit to the sun belt.

I agree. JMU's admin likely knew about UAB dropping football. I doubt we're in play for that CUSA spot, but I can understand wanting to have that ironed out before going to the SBC. What happens if ASU gets that CUSA spot? Then we're in the SBC with no regional partners and NO history.

You don't go from fresh out of college and no job to ceo, or even middle management, in one move. They're kidding themselves if they don't think this isn't a series of future moves.
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(04-12-2015 10:43 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 10:32 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 10:24 AM)Potomac Wrote:  They need to bite the bullet and commit to the sun belt.

I agree. JMU's admin likely knew about UAB dropping football. I doubt we're in play for that CUSA spot, but I can understand wanting to have that ironed out before going to the SBC. What happens if ASU gets that CUSA spot? Then we're in the SBC with no regional partners and NO history.

You don't go from fresh out of college and no job to ceo, or even middle management, in one move. They're kidding themselves if they don't think this isn't a series of future moves.

I agree with your thoughts, but right now, waiting until June to see CUSA's move, is probably the right thing to do. I also believe the difference between CUSA and the SB is very slight. The one thing that concerns me about the SB has nothing to do with travel or academics, but rather I am completely baffled over the two OS only schools receiving FB monies earned by the schools participating in FB. I do not know how the NMSU and Idaho (FB only schools) are compensated, but I would hope they don't receive anything from the monies earned from SB basketball.
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(04-12-2015 10:43 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 10:32 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 10:24 AM)Potomac Wrote:  They need to bite the bullet and commit to the sun belt.

I agree. JMU's admin likely knew about UAB dropping football. I doubt we're in play for that CUSA spot, but I can understand wanting to have that ironed out before going to the SBC. What happens if ASU gets that CUSA spot? Then we're in the SBC with no regional partners and NO history.

You don't go from fresh out of college and no job to ceo, or even middle management, in one move. They're kidding themselves if they don't think this isn't a series of future moves.

JMU has been in the CAA (ECAC) since moving to D1. Hopping around isn't something we have ever done.

Now, I think JMU is silly to wait on FBS. It is the clear next step in our athletic program. I have told JMU repeatedly that if you say your destination is FBS, you need to get there HOWEVER you can. If the SBC is the only option on the table, you have to be prepared to take it and plan accordingly.
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(04-12-2015 01:11 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 10:43 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 10:32 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(04-12-2015 10:24 AM)Potomac Wrote:  They need to bite the bullet and commit to the sun belt.

I agree. JMU's admin likely knew about UAB dropping football. I doubt we're in play for that CUSA spot, but I can understand wanting to have that ironed out before going to the SBC. What happens if ASU gets that CUSA spot? Then we're in the SBC with no regional partners and NO history.

You don't go from fresh out of college and no job to ceo, or even middle management, in one move. They're kidding themselves if they don't think this isn't a series of future moves.

JMU has been in the CAA (ECAC) since moving to D1. Hopping around isn't something we have ever done.

Now, I think JMU is silly to wait on FBS. It is the clear next step in our athletic program. I have told JMU repeatedly that if you say your destination is FBS, you need to get there HOWEVER you can. If the SBC is the only option on the table, you have to be prepared to take it and plan accordingly.

Its not a perfect world. The sooner this is realized the sooner we can move along on our journey.
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(04-12-2015 01:11 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Now, I think JMU is silly to wait on FBS. It is the clear next step in our athletic program. I have told JMU repeatedly that if you say your destination is FBS, you need to get there HOWEVER you can. If the SBC is the only option on the table, you have to be prepared to take it and plan accordingly.

Indeed a case of the perfect being the enemy of the good (though CUSA is not exactly perfect, mind you)
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