(01-29-2015 10:12 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 10:00 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 09:25 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Interesting article. Not directly related to the religious right of the Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell days of old, but it's telling how people who want to legislate morality through the vehicle of government are acting like amoral ******** in private.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015...ens-to-ex/

Just get this issue to the SCOTUS already.

THIS. Whatever happens, I'm ready for it to happen so we can move on. I'm really torn on the issue. Morally I'm opposed but politically / legally speaking I'm not sure how the SCOTUS rules against the gays.

That's the point though. I have no idea why people who claim to champion privacy, want to legislate a private matter. Getting the gov't to pass this will allow the GOP to move on to more important issues.

(01-29-2015 10:12 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 10:00 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Just get this issue to the SCOTUS already.

THIS. Whatever happens, I'm ready for it to happen so we can move on.

Like we've "moved on" from debates about abortion? And affirmative action? We will move on from this issue in the same way.

(01-29-2015 12:09 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 10:12 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 10:00 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Just get this issue to the SCOTUS already.

THIS. Whatever happens, I'm ready for it to happen so we can move on.

Like we've "moved on" from debates about abortion? And affirmative action? We will move on from this issue in the same way.

I mean move on from a political POV. Meaning that the issue is no longer a pillar in the GOP platform.

(01-29-2015 12:20 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:09 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 10:12 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 10:00 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Just get this issue to the SCOTUS already.

THIS. Whatever happens, I'm ready for it to happen so we can move on.

Like we've "moved on" from debates about abortion? And affirmative action? We will move on from this issue in the same way.

I mean move on from a political POV. Meaning that the issue is no longer a pillar in the GOP platform.

Exactly what I meant as well.

(01-29-2015 12:20 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:09 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 10:12 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Whatever happens, I'm ready for it to happen so we can move on.

Like we've "moved on" from debates about abortion? And affirmative action? We will move on from this issue in the same way.

I mean move on from a political POV. Meaning that the issue is no longer a pillar in the GOP platform.

I can't tell if that response is a 'Yes' or a 'No', but either way Roe v Wade was decided 42 years ago and abortion is just as much of a political dividing-line today as it ever was. The debate over this will prove to have a similar shelf-life, IMHO…

(01-29-2015 12:31 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:20 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:09 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 10:12 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Whatever happens, I'm ready for it to happen so we can move on.

Like we've "moved on" from debates about abortion? And affirmative action? We will move on from this issue in the same way.

I mean move on from a political POV. Meaning that the issue is no longer a pillar in the GOP platform.

I can't tell if that response is a 'Yes' or a 'No', but either way Roe v Wade was decided 42 years ago and abortion is just as much of a political dividing-line today as it ever was. The debate over this will prove to have a similar shelf-life, IMHO…

Despite the years of debate, has there ever been a legitimate challenge on the legality of abortion since Roe v. Wade? That fact that the GOP always themselves to get hooked by the religious Right as well as the DNC is due to the incompetence of the candidates, not any potential to actually change the law.

In fact, the biggest driver in the reduction in abortions has nothing to do with clinic bombings or videos that depict the actual termination process but is due to the fact that women make up almost 68% of OB/GYN's. It's this group of women and their collective decision not to perform a non-life threatening procedure that has ultimately shifted the balance.

The reduction in the # of abortions is due to several factors, including the one that Vandiver mentioned. But that still doesn't address my point that abortion remains a political lightning rod, more than four decades after the Supreme Court supposedly "settled" the issue.

(01-29-2015 10:00 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 09:25 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Interesting article. Not directly related to the religious right of the Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell days of old, but it's telling how people who want to legislate morality through the vehicle of government are acting like amoral ******** in private.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015...ens-to-ex/

Just get this issue to the SCOTUS already.

Why? Everyone knows the only reason SCOTUS took the case(s) was to (potentially*) finish off what they started with Windsor and Prop 8.

* - I say potentially, because there's scuttlebut out there that no one knows if they're going "all in", or narrow like with Windsor.