Would've been nice to know about this before all of the sweeping, unprecedented regulations on guns were passed after Sandy Hook.

Oh, wait a minute.

(01-28-2015 02:00 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Half the Country thinks Oswald killed Kennedy the other Half has a Whole cast of different Characters in Theory.

After Oliver Stone's "JFK" movie came about in 1991, conservative critic William F. Buckley said "Stone has proposed a conspiracy so vast it could be almost justified on the principle of majority-rule."

Quote:Vincent Foster and others.

It has always seemed apparent to me that Vince Foster committed suicide by shooting himself. The conspiracy theories around that tragedy could have been disposed of quickly and thoroughly if the authorities had ever been able to prove where Foster committed that act. But the authorities never were able to do that.

(01-28-2015 01:49 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:36 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  For people who think Sandy Hook was a "hoax" or a "conspiracy" or a "cover-up" or a whatever… what do they think happened?

The murders took place, but there were multiple shooters, and at that, I am not convinced Adam Lanza was even one of them. The idea that Lanza, the lone wolf, all 140 pounds of him with autism, can pull something like this more efficiently than a trained Navy SEAL, just doesn't pass the smell test.

Those fourth graders can be tough little bastards. Just ask Mr. Garrison.

"Suicide" by firearm, like Foster, does not happen with the individual shooting himself in the head directly behind one of his ears. Carry On!

(01-28-2015 02:54 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:49 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  The idea that Lanza, the lone wolf, all 140 pounds of him with autism, can pull something like this more efficiently than a trained Navy SEAL, just doesn't pass the smell test.

Those fourth graders can be tough little bastards. Just ask Mr. Garrison.

I thought most of the victims were even younger than that...

(01-28-2015 02:56 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  "Suicide" by firearm, like Foster, does not happen with the individual shooting himself in the head directly behind one of his ears. Carry On!

With Foster, the gunshot wound was through the mouth. I've never heard of any dissenting view from that.

(01-28-2015 02:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:52 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Who was the individual being apprehended in the woods behind the school running from the cops? He was placed in police custody and rode in the front seat of the police cruiser. How come we haven't heard from the authorities about this individual?

Yep, the guy we all saw in camo from the heli-cam. At first the authorities tried to claim he was a parent volunteer who happened to run in the woods when the police confronted him. Turns out the parent volunteer they tried to blame that on was wearing khakis, not camo, but I believe they are sticking with that story.

Do you even attempt to research this stuff?

Quote:What about the man in the woods? Central to proving any conspiracy theory is finding co-conspirators, which in this case means multiple shooters. Theorists have seized on helicopter footage of a man getting chased by police through the woods behind the school as evidence there was more than one shooter. Who is this man?

Answer: It was Chris Manfredonia, the father of a 6-year-old who attends the school. He was on his way to the school to make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard gunfire and smelled sulfur, so he ran.

But there was another man in the woods (maybe) Eyewitnesses saw a second man in the woods wearing camouflage pants and a dark jacket, and said that he may have been armed. Must be a second shooter.

Answer: Actually, he was, according to the Newtown Bee, “an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town” who heard the gunfire.

Your comprehensive answer to every Sandy Hook conspiracy theory

That doesn't even come close to making any sense as an explanation.

(01-28-2015 02:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:52 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Who was the individual being apprehended in the woods behind the school running from the cops? He was placed in police custody and rode in the front seat of the police cruiser. How come we haven't heard from the authorities about this individual?

Yep, the guy we all saw in camo from the heli-cam. At first the authorities tried to claim he was a parent volunteer who happened to run in the woods when the police confronted him. Turns out the parent volunteer they tried to blame that on was wearing khakis, not camo, but I believe they are sticking with that story.

Do you even attempt to research this stuff?

Quote:What about the man in the woods? Central to proving any conspiracy theory is finding co-conspirators, which in this case means multiple shooters. Theorists have seized on helicopter footage of a man getting chased by police through the woods behind the school as evidence there was more than one shooter. Who is this man?

Answer: It was Chris Manfredonia, the father of a 6-year-old who attends the school. He was on his way to the school to make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard gunfire and smelled sulfur, so he ran.

But there was another man in the woods (maybe) Eyewitnesses saw a second man in the woods wearing camouflage pants and a dark jacket, and said that he may have been armed. Must be a second shooter.

Answer: Actually, he was, according to the Newtown Bee, “an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town” who heard the gunfire.

Your comprehensive answer to every Sandy Hook conspiracy theory

I try not to get too involved with this, but I've read some extremely interesting things on here. I'm on the outside/neutral side of this, but the first thing that caught my eye in your response is, all these people that ran off, you have a father of a 6 year old that was on his way, walking, to the school to build cookie houses, hears the shots, and runs off. Ok, first, if you hear gun shots anywhere near the vicinity of your child, the LAST thing you'll do is run away. So he's either lying or he's the biggest coward in America. Then the off-duty tactical officer. Why was he walking around and then run? It doesn't add up.

(01-28-2015 02:16 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Never once was this posted in the real news!! But Salon? So why was the Principal who "perished" in the shooting, referenced with her picture and a "different name" as a witness in the Boston Marathon bombing?

Verrrrry interesting

(01-28-2015 03:11 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  >>>> you have a father of a 6 year old that was on his way, walking, to the school to build cookie houses, hears the shots, and runs off. Ok, first, if you hear gun shots anywhere near the vicinity of your child, the LAST thing you'll do is run away. So he's either lying or he's the biggest coward in America.

It feels like you comment is along the lines of "I am completely comfortable second-guessing the immediate reactions of someone having their life ripped apart around them! Why did he not do it the way I would have done it? I have found him deficient!" vs. understanding that everyone reacts differently to danger. Have a read of one of my favorite articles ever on the internet:

On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs

BTW, I am on your side on this along the lines that I would have made a beeline towards the school.

(01-28-2015 03:11 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  It doesn't add up.

Almost nothing is the result of a conspiracy. Errors in judgment, greed, carelessness, foolishness, sloppy thinking, arrogance, not paying attention, fear, and absence of compassion may all be in evidence when events seem to spiral out of control, but very rarely is it a conspiracy.

(01-28-2015 03:02 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 02:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:52 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Who was the individual being apprehended in the woods behind the school running from the cops? He was placed in police custody and rode in the front seat of the police cruiser. How come we haven't heard from the authorities about this individual?

Yep, the guy we all saw in camo from the heli-cam. At first the authorities tried to claim he was a parent volunteer who happened to run in the woods when the police confronted him. Turns out the parent volunteer they tried to blame that on was wearing khakis, not camo, but I believe they are sticking with that story.

Do you even attempt to research this stuff?

Quote:What about the man in the woods? Central to proving any conspiracy theory is finding co-conspirators, which in this case means multiple shooters. Theorists have seized on helicopter footage of a man getting chased by police through the woods behind the school as evidence there was more than one shooter. Who is this man?

Answer: It was Chris Manfredonia, the father of a 6-year-old who attends the school. He was on his way to the school to make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard gunfire and smelled sulfur, so he ran.

But there was another man in the woods (maybe) Eyewitnesses saw a second man in the woods wearing camouflage pants and a dark jacket, and said that he may have been armed. Must be a second shooter.

Answer: Actually, he was, according to the Newtown Bee, “an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town” who heard the gunfire.

Your comprehensive answer to every Sandy Hook conspiracy theory

That doesn't even come close to making any sense as an explanation.

To you, of course not. You're likely delusional. Sorry.

(01-28-2015 03:29 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 03:11 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  >>>> you have a father of a 6 year old that was on his way, walking, to the school to build cookie houses, hears the shots, and runs off. Ok, first, if you hear gun shots anywhere near the vicinity of your child, the LAST thing you'll do is run away. So he's either lying or he's the biggest coward in America.

It feels like you comment is along the lines of "I am completely comfortable second-guessing the immediate reactions of someone having their life ripped apart around them! Why did he not do it the way I would have done it? I have found him deficient!" vs. understanding that everyone reacts differently to danger. Have a read of one of my favorite articles ever on the internet:

On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs

BTW, I am on your side on this along the lines that I would have made a beeline towards the school.

(01-28-2015 03:11 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  It doesn't add up.

Almost nothing is the result of a conspiracy. Errors in judgment, greed, carelessness, foolishness, sloppy thinking, arrogance, not paying attention, fear, and absence of compassion may all be in evidence when events seem to spiral out of control, but very rarely is it a conspiracy.

It just seems like second nature, as a mother or father, to protect your kids first, yourself second. During those tornadoes in Oklahoma a couple years ago, parents were rushing towards the school to get their kids while a tornado was in route.

It just sounds, to me, like there are a lot of Little Red Riding Hoods out in Sandy Hook, with all those people that were strolling through the woods on their way to the school.

(01-28-2015 03:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  To you, of course not. You're likely delusional. Sorry.

And none of what ER says makes sense to you. So he's automatically the delusional one? Ok. You sound like johnny z

(01-28-2015 03:37 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 03:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  To you, of course not. You're likely delusional. Sorry.

And none of what ER says makes sense to you. So he's automatically the delusional one? Ok. You sound like johnny z

To totally ignore reality and facts and logic to let yourself believe that someone would kill a bunch of innocent kids and several innocent adults...for what exactly he still refuses to say so I presume to outlaw guns...to me, implies some pretty delusional thinking.

(01-28-2015 02:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 02:05 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  It is interesting that the FOI has been blocked. Why has it been such a struggle? Who was the dude in the woods? It can be simple, can it not?

Source?

SCD???

(01-28-2015 05:12 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  According to what I have heard Wolfgang Halbig. He has continually asked for this from the state of CT.

Yeah...and the guys a loon. My advice, take anything he says very cautiously.

(01-28-2015 11:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 10:50 PM)maximus Wrote:  I might have missed them, don't watch much tv, but I haven't seen any dateline reports etc...about this. I've seen many other events have special after special.

I guess that's just coincidence?

If there is one out there I'd be interested in watching

An investigative special, or a memorial type special about the victims?

If it's the latter, I'm guessing that it's just too soon when you're dealing with so many young kids.

Not necessarily about the kids, witnesses, other teacher who where there to tell their stories, I'm sure some parents would be interested in telling their story.

Just thinking out loud

I'm not buying the theory at all just making an observation

(01-28-2015 03:11 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 02:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 01:52 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Who was the individual being apprehended in the woods behind the school running from the cops? He was placed in police custody and rode in the front seat of the police cruiser. How come we haven't heard from the authorities about this individual?

Yep, the guy we all saw in camo from the heli-cam. At first the authorities tried to claim he was a parent volunteer who happened to run in the woods when the police confronted him. Turns out the parent volunteer they tried to blame that on was wearing khakis, not camo, but I believe they are sticking with that story.

Do you even attempt to research this stuff?

Quote:What about the man in the woods? Central to proving any conspiracy theory is finding co-conspirators, which in this case means multiple shooters. Theorists have seized on helicopter footage of a man getting chased by police through the woods behind the school as evidence there was more than one shooter. Who is this man?

Answer: It was Chris Manfredonia, the father of a 6-year-old who attends the school. He was on his way to the school to make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard gunfire and smelled sulfur, so he ran.

But there was another man in the woods (maybe) Eyewitnesses saw a second man in the woods wearing camouflage pants and a dark jacket, and said that he may have been armed. Must be a second shooter.

Answer: Actually, he was, according to the Newtown Bee, “an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town” who heard the gunfire.

Your comprehensive answer to every Sandy Hook conspiracy theory

I try not to get too involved with this, but I've read some extremely interesting things on here. I'm on the outside/neutral side of this, but the first thing that caught my eye in your response is, all these people that ran off, you have a father of a 6 year old that was on his way, walking, to the school to build cookie houses, hears the shots, and runs off. Ok, first, if you hear gun shots anywhere near the vicinity of your child, the LAST thing you'll do is run away. So he's either lying or he's the biggest coward in America. Then the off-duty tactical officer. Why was he walking around and then run? It doesn't add up.

Yep.