(01-30-2015 12:10 AM)pono Wrote:  

(01-29-2015 12:33 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Total typo but it does seem to fit the thread.

hmmmmn interesting typo.

in some states public education costs have gone up 900% in the past generation. my daughter was looking at a university i went to out of state for $7000. their tuition now is $62000.

we used to subsidize public higher education as a nation to a much higher degree.

in 1990 the total inflation adjusted budget at UC was 4.5 Billion dollars.
Of that money 3.8 Billion came from the state and 700 million from tuition and fees

in 2014 the total budget of UC is 6 Billion dollars
Of that money 3.0 Billion came from the state and 3 Billion from tuition and fees.

So to some degree the states are not kicking in as much as they used to but the schools doubling their budgets (in adjusted dollars) to accommodate less than a 50% growth in student body is another part of it.

We have seen the same growth in private college costs so the dominating function is not subsidization. Show me the number of programs (not students) on campus, the number of admins per student, the money thrown into areas outside of the classroom. How many ethnic studies had their own chair, dean, and or devoted faculty when you went to school? Those disciplines were wrapped up as part of a history or sociology department.

And I don't just want to pick on victim studies programs.

I saw a U in Texas that started a "Wireless Engineering Program"... To me that's an obvious candidate to be part of either the Electrical Engineering or Computer Sciences department. When I was in school there was no computer engineering dept (and this was during the .com boom). We had an EE and CS departments and many folks, like myself, majored in one and minored in the other.

Academic Fiefdoms cost a lot of money to run but so long as we keep handing kids "cheap money" to get near worthless degrees they will grow in number.

As to Sherman... I don't think *HE* realizes how hard it is to hold down two jobs and do work study and still graduate with 20K in debt.

""I would love for a regular student, for just one semester, to have a student-athlete schedule during the season and show me how you balance that. Show me how you would schedule your classes when you can't schedule classes for 2 to 6 o'clock on any given day.""

I don't think they have it easy and I support things like FCA and 4 year scholarship guarantees. I'd also support great restrictions on coach contact when school is out of session but for the love of Pete for them to think they have it harder than Johnny Q student is retarded.

So to some degree the states are not kicking in as much
We have seen the same growth in private college costs so the dominating function is not subsidization. Show me the number of programs (not students) on campus, the number of admins per student, the money thrown into areas outside of the classroom. How many ethnic studies had their own chair, dean, and or devoted faculty when you went to school? Those disciplines were wrapped up as part of a history or sociology department.

My sister did a Women's Studies/Ethnic Studies major at well regarded public school in the early 2000s. The school has since eliminated most of the staff for those departments while raising tuition big time. I also have friends with PHD's in some of the "victim studies" fields you mention. They are looking for work in Poli Sci programs or History because most schools are downsizing their ethnic studies type departments or shifting some of the teaching to grad students or lower paid lecturers. Dept. Chairs often also having a teaching load.

I don't have numbers, but I think your emphasis on blaming such programs for tuition increases in misguided. Those programs were created to shift the political activism of the 60s-70s out of the community and into the classroom to control dissent. At that time 80% of those college aged were white. Now, the generation entering college is 50% people of color or biracial, so the academic interest is still there in some cases, but the reality is those departments are often under the fiscal knife these days.

(01-30-2015 01:52 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-30-2015 12:10 AM)pono Wrote:  [quote='Bull_In_Exile' pid='11711452' dateline='1422552822']
Total typo but it does seem to fit the thread.

So to some degree the states are not kicking in as much as they used to but the schools doubling their budgets (in adjusted dollars) to accommodate less than a 50% growth in student body is another part of it.

We have seen the same growth in private college costs so the dominating function is not subsidization. Show me the number of programs (not students) on campus, the number of admins per student, the money thrown into areas outside of the classroom. How many ethnic studies had their own chair, dean, and or devoted faculty when you went to school? Those disciplines were wrapped up as part of a history or sociology department.

My sister did a Women's Studies/Ethnic Studies major at well regarded public school in the early 2000s. The school has since eliminated most of the staff for those departments while raising tuition big time. I also have friends with PHD's in some of the "victim studies" fields you mention. They are looking for work in Poli Sci programs or History because most schools are downsizing their ethnic studies type departments or shifting some of the teaching to grad students or lower paid lecturers. Dept. Chairs often also having a teaching load.

I don't have numbers, but I think your emphasis on blaming such programs for tuition increases in misguided. Those programs were created to shift the political activism of the 60s-70s out of the community and into the classroom to control dissent. At that time 80% of those college aged were white. Now, the generation entering college is 50% people of color or biracial, so the academic interest is still there in some cases, but the reality is those departments are often under the fiscal knife these days.

(01-30-2015 02:38 PM)pono Wrote:  My sister did a Women's Studies/Ethnic Studies major at well regarded public school in the early 2000s. The school has since eliminated most of the staff for those departments while raising tuition big time.

Were any new depts added? were any other redundant or unneeded departments grown?

Quote:I also have friends with PHD's in some of the "victim studies" fields you mention. They are looking for work in Poli Sci programs or History because most schools are downsizing their ethnic studies type departments or shifting some of the teaching to grad students or lower paid lecturers. Dept. Chairs often also having a teaching load.

I'm sorry about your friends situations but the mere fact that the only tangible field of employment for victims studies majors is teaching others about victims studies proves it was not needed.

Quote:I don't have numbers, but I think your emphasis on blaming such programs for tuition increases in misguided.

I specifically brought up CSE and Wireless "majors" to avoid this straw man.

Quote:Those programs were created to shift the political activism of the 60s-70s out of the community and into the classroom to control dissent. At that time 80% of those college aged were white. Now, the generation entering college is 50% people of color or biracial, so the academic interest is still there in some cases, but the reality is those departments are often under the fiscal knife these days.

When I was at UB (in the 90's) they did not even *exist* yes there were plenty of African Americans on campus.