Here's an interesting development:

FBSchedules.com ‏@FBSchedules · 19m19 minutes ago
North Carolina and Wake Forest have scheduled a home-and-home football series. At Wake Sept 14, 2019, at UNC Sept 25, 2021.


The game was scheduled as an OOC game because the way the divisions are set up in the ACC teams can go 6-7 years before they play teams in the other divisions. Apparently it is important for Wake and NC to play each other more often than that.

What this may signal is the the ACC knows the conference deregulation may not pass (i.e ACC had wanted deregulation so that teams from both divisons can pick which teams they can play on a regular basis based on geographical/historical reasons).

Deregulation getting booted to the curb is a good thing for UC's chances at getting an invite to a P5 conference.

Was thinking same thing. If you thought your NCAA waiver was going to pass would you do this? I don't believe so. It is also a way to voice your unhappiness to the ACC powers regarding the current 14 team/scheduling set up.
16 team conferece with pods would tale care of this. And with talk of an ACC network and more markets in the discussion makes you wonder...

I originally posted this in the realignment thread but I thought I would start a new thread because some people avoid that thread for varioius reasons.

This is a huge development for several reasons. It could be a good thing for UC but it could also be a bad thing for UC and the rest of the G5. I think the good goes without saying. On the negative, if we are stuck in the G5 for awhile it is only going to make scheduling P5 teams OOC out of schedule more difficult. I would not be surprised to see another ACC schools follow suit (ie. NC State vs. Duke). Maybe other P5 schools follow suit. There is a lot of pressure on them to play a P5 school OOC.

(01-26-2015 12:50 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I originally posted this in the realignment thread but I thought I would start a new thread because some people avoid that thread for varioius reasons.

This is a huge development for several reasons. It could be a good thing for UC but it could also be a bad thing for UC and the rest of the G5. I think the good goes without saying. On the negative, if we are stuck in the G5 for awhile it is only going to make scheduling P5 teams OOC out of schedule more difficult. I would not be surprised to see another ACC schools follow suit (ie. NC State vs. Duke). Maybe other P5 schools follow suit. There is a lot of pressure on them to play a P5 school OOC.

All true. But I still think there is a lot of pressure to show you can beat teams from other conferences. Baylor wouldn't have been helped by scheduling an extra game with Kansas.

i had no idea that scheduling OOC games was as simple as checking off a box. i certainly hope that the playoff committee, tasked with assessing the worthiness of playoff eligible teams, looks at this and dismisses the concept of conference "out of conference" opponents. i know that college athletics often serves as a stage for the theater of the absurd, but really?....

(01-26-2015 01:26 PM)JP Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 12:50 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I originally posted this in the realignment thread but I thought I would start a new thread because some people avoid that thread for varioius reasons.

This is a huge development for several reasons. It could be a good thing for UC but it could also be a bad thing for UC and the rest of the G5. I think the good goes without saying. On the negative, if we are stuck in the G5 for awhile it is only going to make scheduling P5 teams OOC out of schedule more difficult. I would not be surprised to see another ACC schools follow suit (ie. NC State vs. Duke). Maybe other P5 schools follow suit. There is a lot of pressure on them to play a P5 school OOC.

All true. But I still think there is a lot of pressure to show you can beat teams from other conferences. Baylor wouldn't have been helped by scheduling an extra game with Kansas.

But they certainly could have benefited if you replace SMU, Buffalo or some FCS team, all of whom they thrashed, with a P5 OOC opponent or two.

This is likely heading to 9 conference games for all of the P5 be they OOC or not. Which limits scheduling opportunities down the food chain.

Well this stupidity will guarantee a loss for a conference team during the OOC portion of the schedule. I'm sure the bowls affiliated with the ACC will love this move.

(01-26-2015 06:45 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Well this stupidity will guarantee a loss for a conference team during the OOC portion of the schedule. I'm sure the bowls affiliated with the ACC will love this move.

I think a loss to a P5 program, even though Wake is P5 in name only, will not affect them as much as you think. A loss to UNC is better than a win against Rice or SMU or a loss to LA Lafeyette.

Brent Axe retweeted
Sherrell McMillan ‏@rellevent21
"We're talking about playing Syracuse some other place than Syracuse or Chapel Hill as a non-conference game." - UNC AD Bubba Cunningham

Sherrell McMillan‏@rellevent21
@BrentAxeMedia he said he spoke with the Syracuse AD last night. Probably in early, very early, talks.

Sherrell McMillan ‏@rellevent21
@BrentAxeMedia mentioned New York City and Charlotte as possible venues.

(01-27-2015 11:19 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Brent Axe retweeted
Sherrell McMillan ‏@rellevent21
"We're talking about playing Syracuse some other place than Syracuse or Chapel Hill as a non-conference game." - UNC AD Bubba Cunningham

Sherrell McMillan‏@rellevent21
@BrentAxeMedia he said he spoke with the Syracuse AD last night. Probably in early, very early, talks.

Sherrell McMillan ‏@rellevent21
@BrentAxeMedia mentioned New York City and Charlotte as possible venues.

So much for the spin that UNC/Wake scheduled each other because their rivalry is "special" and good for the state of North Carolina. UNC and Syracuse do not have a history and are not in the same state.

I harken back to Steve Spurrier quote from last year where he said something to the effect of "Playing East Carolina is a lot tougher than playing bottom tier teams in the P5".

All this is doing is eliminating opportunity for the better G5 teams to play P5 schools OOC.

(01-27-2015 11:01 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 06:45 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Well this stupidity will guarantee a loss for a conference team during the OOC portion of the schedule. I'm sure the bowls affiliated with the ACC will love this move.

I think a loss to a P5 program, even though Wake is P5 in name only, will not affect them as much as you think. A loss to UNC is better than a win against Rice or SMU or a loss to LA Lafeyette.

I don't think you're understanding what I said. I't basically guaranteeing an extra loss in-house for the conference.

(01-27-2015 11:51 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 11:01 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 06:45 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Well this stupidity will guarantee a loss for a conference team during the OOC portion of the schedule. I'm sure the bowls affiliated with the ACC will love this move.

I think a loss to a P5 program, even though Wake is P5 in name only, will not affect them as much as you think. A loss to UNC is better than a win against Rice or SMU or a loss to LA Lafeyette.

I don't think you're understanding what I said. I't basically guaranteeing an extra loss in-house for the conference.

So yeah , in the extreme case where every ACC teams plays all their non conference games "in conference" , the net record in the ACC will be .500. Wouldn't that make it difficult to fill all their bowl spots , or are we changing that 6 win rule too?

(01-27-2015 11:28 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 11:19 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Brent Axe retweeted
Sherrell McMillan ‏@rellevent21
"We're talking about playing Syracuse some other place than Syracuse or Chapel Hill as a non-conference game." - UNC AD Bubba Cunningham

Sherrell McMillan‏@rellevent21
@BrentAxeMedia he said he spoke with the Syracuse AD last night. Probably in early, very early, talks.

Sherrell McMillan ‏@rellevent21
@BrentAxeMedia mentioned New York City and Charlotte as possible venues.

So much for the spin that UNC/Wake scheduled each other because their rivalry is "special" and good for the state of North Carolina. UNC and Syracuse do not have a history and are not in the same state.

I harken back to Steve Spurrier quote from last year where he said something to the effect of "Playing East Carolina is a lot tougher than playing bottom tier teams in the P5".

All this is doing is eliminating opportunity for the better G5 teams to play P5 schools OOC.

Be careful. You are going to get put on a side.

NC is just out in front on this. More will be jumping in to test the water soon.

(01-27-2015 11:01 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 06:45 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Well this stupidity will guarantee a loss for a conference team during the OOC portion of the schedule. I'm sure the bowls affiliated with the ACC will love this move.

I think a loss to a P5 program, even though Wake is P5 in name only, will not affect them as much as you think. A loss to UNC is better than a win against Rice or SMU or a loss to LA Lafeyette.

Not if it drops a record to 5-7.

There was a proposal last year to end the reqirement of a 6-6 record for bowl eligibility. It did not pass that time but I would not be surprised to see them put it back up there again soon. The argument is that the TV people would expect better ratings of a bowl game pitting a 6-6 P6 schools vs. a 4-8 Indiana or Kansas instead of an G5 school.

(01-27-2015 01:56 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  There was a proposal last year to end the reqirement of a 6-6 record for bowl eligibility. It did not pass that time but I would not be surprised to see them put it back up there again soon. The argument is that the TV people would expect better ratings of a bowl game pitting a 6-6 P6 schools vs. a 4-8 Indiana or Kansas instead of an G5 school.

There is truth in this...

a game featuring say a 6-6 Ohio State vs a 6-6 or even 5-7 ND would have much higher ratings than a game of say 10-2 Northern Illinois vs 11-1 Tulsa


just pulling names out of a hat here but you get the point...

(01-27-2015 12:15 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 11:28 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 11:19 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Brent Axe retweeted
Sherrell McMillan ‏@rellevent21
"We're talking about playing Syracuse some other place than Syracuse or Chapel Hill as a non-conference game." - UNC AD Bubba Cunningham

Sherrell McMillan‏@rellevent21
@BrentAxeMedia he said he spoke with the Syracuse AD last night. Probably in early, very early, talks.

Sherrell McMillan ‏@rellevent21
@BrentAxeMedia mentioned New York City and Charlotte as possible venues.

So much for the spin that UNC/Wake scheduled each other because their rivalry is "special" and good for the state of North Carolina. UNC and Syracuse do not have a history and are not in the same state.

I harken back to Steve Spurrier quote from last year where he said something to the effect of "Playing East Carolina is a lot tougher than playing bottom tier teams in the P5".

All this is doing is eliminating opportunity for the better G5 teams to play P5 schools OOC.

Be careful. You are going to get put on a side.

NC is just out in front on this. More will be jumping in to test the water soon.

I agree this is somewhat ominous for the schools outside the athletics oligopoly.

That said could this, if a trend develops, also reduce future opportunities for a certain 10 team league?

Last thought...isn't this a little bit like sleeping with your cousin? ACC the inbred conference. I mean what's next West Virginia to ACC?

Sadly, the storm clouds continue to gather over the G5 in terms of providing a viable, competitive platform for UC football. While Wake Forest hasn't had much going in football recently, they still might have been a P5 opponent willing to visit Nippert as part of a home and home arrangement. Now, that's much less likely. For UC football to remain viable in the G5 would require P5 opponents every year--with some of those games in Cincinnati.

So I'm hoping those who say B12 membership will be a reality--in two months or even six years, are indeed correct.

(01-27-2015 10:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 01:56 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  There was a proposal last year to end the reqirement of a 6-6 record for bowl eligibility. It did not pass that time but I would not be surprised to see them put it back up there again soon. The argument is that the TV people would expect better ratings of a bowl game pitting a 6-6 P6 schools vs. a 4-8 Indiana or Kansas instead of an G5 school.

There is truth in this...

a game featuring say a 6-6 Ohio State vs a 6-6 or even 5-7 ND would have much higher ratings than a game of say 10-2 Northern Illinois vs 11-1 Tulsa


just pulling names out of a hat here but you get the point...

Just my opinion, but if tO$U is 6-6 and ND is 5-7, both coaches would be fired, the fanbase would be in an uproar, and their spoiled fans would turn up their noses and likely not watch or attend.

(01-28-2015 08:16 AM)50Cent Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 12:15 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 11:28 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 11:19 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Brent Axe retweeted
Sherrell McMillan ‏@rellevent21
"We're talking about playing Syracuse some other place than Syracuse or Chapel Hill as a non-conference game." - UNC AD Bubba Cunningham

Sherrell McMillan‏@rellevent21
@BrentAxeMedia he said he spoke with the Syracuse AD last night. Probably in early, very early, talks.

Sherrell McMillan ‏@rellevent21
@BrentAxeMedia mentioned New York City and Charlotte as possible venues.

So much for the spin that UNC/Wake scheduled each other because their rivalry is "special" and good for the state of North Carolina. UNC and Syracuse do not have a history and are not in the same state.

I harken back to Steve Spurrier quote from last year where he said something to the effect of "Playing East Carolina is a lot tougher than playing bottom tier teams in the P5".

All this is doing is eliminating opportunity for the better G5 teams to play P5 schools OOC.

Be careful. You are going to get put on a side.

NC is just out in front on this. More will be jumping in to test the water soon.

I agree this is somewhat ominous for the schools outside the athletics oligopoly.

That said could this, if a trend develops, also reduce future opportunities for a certain 10 team league?

Last thought...isn't this a little bit like sleeping with your cousin? ACC the inbred conference. I mean what's next West Virginia to ACC?

The trend is interesting.

Trying to look at things positively, if the trend of inter-conference OOC scheduling continues it could help in the efforts to expand the Big Twelve. A couple of the things I have read Big Twelve fans post on many occasions is the issue of uneven division strengths and the fact that they all want to play the Texas schools as often as possible.

Now, if the conference expands, Iowa State can still be in a "Northern Division" with WVU, UC and others and still be free to schedule the Texas schools "OOC".