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(01-27-2015 02:24 PM)bluelight Wrote:  I agree Men's basketball should get the highest stipend. Another way of handling this is a matter for fairness. Yes, this would be unfair, however I would give the stipend to which ever sport that produced the highest NET revenue. Non-revenue sports would receive no stipend. One thing I said in an earlier text, is increase the ODAF, but they just finished forking out a huge amount of money to fund the basketball practice facility, which is schedule for construction this spring. Lets not forget the tunnel tolls each game! It appears we are in a very difficult financial situation that only the AD & President can resolve.

I think this is kind of what they are getting at with the need based Full Cost of Attendace. Sports like golf, soccer, rowing, Tennis, etc. are likely to have fewer athletes that meet the requirements than basketball and football. I imagine they can also control who some of those programs can sign as well if worst came to worst.

I think the "need" is on our part. We "need" to be competitive with VCU/Richmond/George Mason when it comes to basketball recruiting. I wonder if it will be incentive based in football. For instance, if you aren't producing on the field and in the classroom up to the standard set in place, they can yank the stipend. 105 of those bad boys equates to nearly 400k annually for football.

I think the only way they can get away with "picking and choosing" who gets the money is by tying it to the financial situation of the kid's family. That still could eliminate a large number of people that they would need to pay it to without effecting basketball or football recruiting too much.

(01-27-2015 02:55 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 02:24 PM)ETSUDB8-79 Wrote:  Yipes, do you good folks ever find yourselves thinking we may have picked a hell of a time to move up?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeI5ke0BENw
Not saying we won't endure and make it thru but tough time to do it.

Well, we picked the only time possible to move up, and we are seeing the rewards.
Look at 2014
http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/ODUNCAA14.pdf

Our revenues are up, largely because of CUSA payouts and football game payouts.
Our athletic student fee percentage has dropped from 73% to 65%, now below the Cox Bill mandate. That is just huge!

If the HB 1897 passes, and I expect it will, then had we not moved up when we did, we never, and I repeat NEVER would have.

As DaBigblue noted somewhere, there is a question as to whether we could have sustained football in the CAA, I doubt it. I am not sure that JMU, who must now cut over $2 million in student fees, while enduring both declining ticket sales revenue, and stagnant DC donations, can either.
With the impending reality of stipends, we would have to support them in mbb in either conference in order to stay competitive, OR, if the CAA votes down stipends, where would that have put us with respect to VCU and the national scene?

At 73% we would have lost over $3/4 million cutting our student fees. We never could have moved up in that circumstance.
Now there may be the mandate that the GA approve any future moveups.

Look, I have antagonized JMU over these many years both here and on the 'Zone, but now I am forced to believe that there is no possible way that they will ever move up, and as such I am not going to continue. I feel bad for them.
In fact they may even be relegated to a second tier of FCS if schools like NDSU add football stipends, as they are considering now. Wealthy indies like UR and Liberty will be able to follow suit, and leave JMU and UD in the dust; and ODU had we stayed.

Quote:Members around FCS football are keeping a close eye on this movement.
North Dakota State athletic director Matt Larsen told the Fargo Forum newspaper last week that NDSU is looking into providing the additional cost of attendance for its football players -- a large undertaking considering the sheer number of scholarships in the sport, as well as the Title IX match that accompanies it.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/u...ns-answers

Our timing could not have been better.
Now, ETSUDB8-79, pass me the whole bottle of single malt and some glue.

OK. We can address football when that landscape becomes clearer.

What we know
All of the P-5 will offer stipends
The A-10 has voted to support stipends.
UR and VCU have individually confirmed that they will offer stipends.

We know that the CAA along with Hampton voted against the NCAA governance rule that allows for stipends.
W&M has stated that it will not participate.
Delaware has stated that it will not participate.
It is likely that most if not all CAA (all sports) institutions will not, and I guess it is possible that the CAA will vote for a no stipend policy or bylaw.

Will this impact recruiting enough to lower the quality of product and subsequent RPI such that it is no longer practical to even schedule CAA and other D1 schools that do not offer stipends?

Will this create a de facto subdivision?

Wood has stated we would support stipends based on "need". This would reduce the impact from an est. $800k/yr to $250k/yr. I believe this is the prudent approach.

(01-28-2015 09:45 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Wood has stated we would support stipends based on "need". This would reduce the impact from an est. $800k/yr to $250k/yr. I believe this is the prudent approach.

There is no choice, we MUST participate in the stipends, or be relegated to an irrelevant tier of no-post-season-basketball; UNLESS they create a post-season tournament for programs that don't support stipends.

I can see it now;

Quote: ODU invited to the LSPIT! (Little Sisters of the Poor Invitational Tournament)
ODU will play Newport News Apprentice in the first round, the winner to play the mighty University of the Sciences of Philadelphia.
The stipend free "Ivy League of the South" CAA places five in the LSPIT. Tom Yeager proudly proclaims "Truly, the CAA is the best of the worst!"

In other news, the University of Richmond gets an at large bid as a 7th seed to the NCAAT, 10th ranked VCU named a 3 seed in the South Regional.

Yeah buddy, that's where I want to be.

I have would give anything to actually know where all this is going to end up taking college (formerly amateur) athletics and ODU. Alas, I fear we will just have to wait and see how it all shakes out. I do enjoy reading you good folks thoughts on it and keep hoping ODU will come thru okay. Now will someone please address the whole issue of the NCAA guy up on the grassy knoll?

(01-28-2015 12:00 PM)ETSUDB8-79 Wrote:  I have would give anything to actually know where all this is going to end up taking college (formerly amateur) athletics and ODU. Alas, I fear we will just have to wait and see how it all shakes out. I do enjoy reading you good folks thoughts on it and keep hoping ODU will come thru okay. Now will someone please address the whole issue of the NCAA guy up on the grassy knoll?

Football stipends (with the associated Title IX ramifications) along with government intervention are going to change the college football landscape forever, and VERY, VERY soon. Many, if not most of the G5s will not be able to afford football stipends. This will create an entirely new sub division. Entire conferences will drop to this new sub division.

Additionally, I think that as other states start to look at Virginia's pioneering fee cap legislation, state government's will literally legislate college football programs to this new division, or legislate them away entirely, including some existing P5 programs.

Finally, there will be created a huge dichotomy within FCS. NDSU has officially announced that it is exploring offering stipends. Wealthy privates like UR and Liberty will follow suit, possibly elevating them, at least from a skill perspective, to the level of the G5s that are supporting stipends.
This will alter definitions and criteria for divisions and classifications as we know them.

The basketball stipends will relegate some programs to a lower, almost but not quite, non-scholarship level.
The football stipends may make college football as it exists right now, almost unrecognizable.

(01-28-2015 01:14 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 12:00 PM)ETSUDB8-79 Wrote:  I have would give anything to actually know where all this is going to end up taking college (formerly amateur) athletics and ODU. Alas, I fear we will just have to wait and see how it all shakes out. I do enjoy reading you good folks thoughts on it and keep hoping ODU will come thru okay. Now will someone please address the whole issue of the NCAA guy up on the grassy knoll?

Football stipends (with the associated Title IX ramifications) along with government intervention are going to change the college football landscape forever, and VERY, VERY soon. Many, if not most of the G5s will not be able to afford football stipends. This will create an entirely new sub division. Entire conferences will drop to this new sub division.

Additionally, I think that as other states start to look at Virginia's pioneering fee cap legislation, state government's will literally legislate college football programs to this new division, or legislate them away entirely, including some existing P5 programs.

Finally, there will be created a huge dichotomy within FCS. NDSU has officially announced that it is exploring offering stipends. Wealthy privates like UR and Liberty will follow suit, possibly elevating them, at least from a skill perspective, to the level of the G5s that are supporting stipends.
This will alter definitions and criteria for divisions and classifications as we know them.

The basketball stipends will relegate some programs to a lower, almost but not quite, non-scholarship level.
The football stipends may make college football as it exists right now, almost unrecognizable.

No state legislatures in the Deep South or Texas will tangle with their football machines. Virginia's initiatives may take root out West & up North, but it's not going to happen in Alabama or Mississippi (not that they need it anyway).

On the bright side, if the P5 schools follow the new stipend rules it will result in a pay decrease for most of their players

Sports will probably be cut. Screw Title IX. Girls suck at sports and they don't play them as frequently. It's, ironically, a sexist amendment.

Anyway, hope they can keep baseball, soccer, wrestling, and tennis.

Golf and tennis will likely be cut.

(01-28-2015 09:59 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  Sports will probably be cut. Screw Title IX. Girls suck at sports and they don't play them as frequently. It's, ironically, a sexist amendment.

Anyway, hope they can keep baseball, soccer, wrestling, and tennis.

Golf and tennis will likely be cut.

If golf gets cut, then maybe we can eventually build up the finances to buy out Lambert's Point GC and turn it into something other than greens and a giant net. Something productive, maybe?

(01-28-2015 10:27 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 09:59 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  Sports will probably be cut. Screw Title IX. Girls suck at sports and they don't play them as frequently. It's, ironically, a sexist amendment.

Anyway, hope they can keep baseball, soccer, wrestling, and tennis.

Golf and tennis will likely be cut.

If golf gets cut, then maybe we can eventually build up the finances to buy out Lambert's Point GC and turn it into something other than greens and a giant net. Something productive, maybe?

We can't. It's built on a trash dump. A golf course is the nicest thing that can be there.

I hear this argument a lot about that space and I don't understand since half of NYC is built on a trash dump.

(01-28-2015 11:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I hear this argument a lot about that space and I don't understand since half of NYC is built on a trash dump.

And the other half is New Jersey...

(01-29-2015 07:55 AM)The Doctor Is In Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 11:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I hear this argument a lot about that space and I don't understand since half of NYC is built on a trash dump.

And the other half is New Jersey...

(01-28-2015 10:27 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 09:59 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  Sports will probably be cut. Screw Title IX. Girls suck at sports and they don't play them as frequently. It's, ironically, a sexist amendment.

Anyway, hope they can keep baseball, soccer, wrestling, and tennis.

Golf and tennis will likely be cut.

If golf gets cut, then maybe we can eventually build up the finances to buy out Lambert's Point GC and turn it into something other than greens and a giant net. Something productive, maybe?

Anyone who actually plays golf want to comment on that?

http://m.bgdailynews.com/sports/wku/uab-...l?mode=jqm

Some good stuff, quick read. The CUSA supports full-cost, going to let UAB stay for now, adding some bowls, talks about requiements for the CUSA-T.

(01-29-2015 10:12 AM)MonarchCAM Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 10:27 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 09:59 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  Sports will probably be cut. Screw Title IX. Girls suck at sports and they don't play them as frequently. It's, ironically, a sexist amendment.

Anyway, hope they can keep baseball, soccer, wrestling, and tennis.

Golf and tennis will likely be cut.

If golf gets cut, then maybe we can eventually build up the finances to buy out Lambert's Point GC and turn it into something other than greens and a giant net. Something productive, maybe?

Anyone who actually plays golf want to comment on that?

Here, I'll stir it for you.