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North Carolina Athletic-Academic Scandal One The NCAA Can No Longer Ignore
Uh oh---The University of North Carolina is now toast. The NCAA cannot turn a blind eye any longer and is likely going to pay dearly for ignoring the situation as long as they already have. The lawyers are now circling....Betcha this one never makes it to court. This one is getting settled.


Attorneys representing two former University of North Carolina athletes on Thursday filed a lawsuit against the university and the NCAA in connection with the academic scandal involving Tar Heels athletes.

The suit, which seeks to become a class action, was filed in a North Carolina state court on behalf of women's basketball player Rashanda McCants and football player Devon Ramsay by lawyers from Hausfeld LLP the same firm that is pursuing the Ed O'Bannon antitrust case against the NCAA concerning the use of college athletes' names, images and likenesses.


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What are the two thing's in common with UNC's cheating, SMU's recent cheating, and Kansas' 1988 cheating.

Dean Smith & UNC! Somewhat like Diarrhea is hereitary it runs in your jeans. Cheating is hereditary with the Tarheels.
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Not saying that UNC is not crap for all of this and should get punished by the NCAA but where is personal responsibility for the students who skated by? Couldn't the individual student athletes have signed up for real classes and actually have done real work? Sounds like people trying to take advantage of a system twice - first by taking joke classes when they had an opportunity to take real classes and now trying to sue for "damages" because they were allowed (but assuming not forced even if they were encouraged) to take the joke classes.
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(01-23-2015 02:00 PM)tribe_pride Wrote:  Not saying that UNC is not crap for all of this and should get punished by the NCAA but where is personal responsibility for the students who skated by? Couldn't the individual student athletes have signed up for real classes and actually have done real work? Sounds like people trying to take advantage of a system twice - first by taking joke classes when they had an opportunity to take real classes and now trying to sue for "damages" because they were allowed (but assuming not forced even if they were encouraged) to take the joke classes.

I tend to agree, but we probably aren't dealing with Morehead scholars here. They came to school to play a sport, and did what their coaches told them to do.
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(01-23-2015 02:00 PM)tribe_pride Wrote:  Not saying that UNC is not crap for all of this and should get punished by the NCAA but where is personal responsibility for the students who skated by? Couldn't the individual student athletes have signed up for real classes and actually have done real work? Sounds like people trying to take advantage of a system twice - first by taking joke classes when they had an opportunity to take real classes and now trying to sue for "damages" because they were allowed (but assuming not forced even if they were encouraged) to take the joke classes.

I concur - the article says, "This case involves allegations of breach of contract against UNC for a failure to provide "academically sound classes with legitimate educational instruction.""

I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of courses offered by UNC are "academically sound." The athletes just chose to take other courses instead. So UNC provided good academics; it's not their fault that athletes chose to skate by.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
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Or the athletes many of them teenagers followed the guidance of their coaches - mentors, advisors, & counselors.
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UNC's been very bad.

ECU's gonna get it.
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(01-23-2015 08:28 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  Or the athletes many of them teenagers followed the guidance of their coaches - mentors, advisors, & counselors.

You talking High School or College?

These kids didn't just become what all of you are calling them "dumb" or "borderline retarded" when they were accepted to college. How did they even score high enough on the ACC or SAT. That has to be another investigation doesn't it? What Highschools did these kids attend? What grade schools?
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The red Herron doesn't work here. High school counselors and coaches have no say on what goes on when a teenager gets into college. In fact as the student truested their high school coaches and counselors they think they can trust their University coaches and counselors. Innocently in too many cases they enter into a world where ego centric maniacs serving as coaches and sick warp university officials think they are doing their school a service, while perverting the educational experience.
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(01-23-2015 08:31 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UNC's been very bad.

ECU's gonna get it.

Is ECU the whipping boy for UNC?
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(01-23-2015 08:36 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(01-23-2015 08:28 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  Or the athletes many of them teenagers followed the guidance of their coaches - mentors, advisors, & counselors.

You talking High School or College?

These kids didn't just become what all of you are calling them "dumb" or "borderline retarded" when they were accepted to college. How did they even score high enough on the ACC or SAT. That has to be another investigation doesn't it? What Highschools did these kids attend? What grade schools?

There are ways around that. Just ask John Calipari.
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(01-23-2015 02:11 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-23-2015 02:00 PM)tribe_pride Wrote:  Not saying that UNC is not crap for all of this and should get punished by the NCAA but where is personal responsibility for the students who skated by? Couldn't the individual student athletes have signed up for real classes and actually have done real work? Sounds like people trying to take advantage of a system twice - first by taking joke classes when they had an opportunity to take real classes and now trying to sue for "damages" because they were allowed (but assuming not forced even if they were encouraged) to take the joke classes.

I concur - the article says, "This case involves allegations of breach of contract against UNC for a failure to provide "academically sound classes with legitimate educational instruction.""

I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of courses offered by UNC are "academically sound." The athletes just chose to take other courses instead. So UNC provided good academics; it's not their fault that athletes chose to skate by.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

My understanding is that the athletes didn't pick their classes. Part of me tends to agree with you, though. If the athletes didn't like the arrangement, then they shouldn't have gone to UNC and/or they should have transferred to another school. However, another part of me appreciates that 1) UNC marketing propaganda probably didn't highlight the cruddy classes that athletes would have to take, and 2) it's murder to transfer if you're a DI athlete. Either way, for the sake of athletics not dominating (and degrading) academics, I think that the NCAA needs to come down hard on UNC. They need to get their priorities right.
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(01-23-2015 08:31 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  UNC's been very bad.

ECU's gonna get it.

I tend to agree.
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(01-23-2015 08:28 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  Or the athletes many of them teenagers followed the guidance of their coaches - mentors, advisors, & counselors.


Yep. Probably told to take these classes as long as they were an athlete
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(01-23-2015 02:11 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-23-2015 02:00 PM)tribe_pride Wrote:  Not saying that UNC is not crap for all of this and should get punished by the NCAA but where is personal responsibility for the students who skated by? Couldn't the individual student athletes have signed up for real classes and actually have done real work? Sounds like people trying to take advantage of a system twice - first by taking joke classes when they had an opportunity to take real classes and now trying to sue for "damages" because they were allowed (but assuming not forced even if they were encouraged) to take the joke classes.

I concur - the article says, "This case involves allegations of breach of contract against UNC for a failure to provide "academically sound classes with legitimate educational instruction.""

I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of courses offered by UNC are "academically sound." The athletes just chose to take other courses instead. So UNC provided good academics; it's not their fault that athletes chose to skate by.

Disagree...because there are hundreds of past interviews of former athletes that were "forced" to take easy, and in this case, no-show classes, so that they could spend more time in the workout rooms, film rooms, easily keep their eligibility so they could play sports for said school.

You are blind to think that ALL Athletes can take "any" class offered by the Univ.
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(01-26-2015 08:07 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(01-23-2015 02:11 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-23-2015 02:00 PM)tribe_pride Wrote:  Not saying that UNC is not crap for all of this and should get punished by the NCAA but where is personal responsibility for the students who skated by? Couldn't the individual student athletes have signed up for real classes and actually have done real work? Sounds like people trying to take advantage of a system twice - first by taking joke classes when they had an opportunity to take real classes and now trying to sue for "damages" because they were allowed (but assuming not forced even if they were encouraged) to take the joke classes.

I concur - the article says, "This case involves allegations of breach of contract against UNC for a failure to provide "academically sound classes with legitimate educational instruction.""

I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of courses offered by UNC are "academically sound." The athletes just chose to take other courses instead. So UNC provided good academics; it's not their fault that athletes chose to skate by.

Disagree...because there are hundreds of past interviews of former athletes that were "forced" to take easy, and in this case, no-show classes, so that they could spend more time in the workout rooms, film rooms, easily keep their eligibility so they could play sports for said school.

You are blind to think that ALL Athletes can take "any" class offered by the Univ.

Since there are hundreds, can you link a couple? I can't remember ever reading one. They've been encouraged or steered to take easy classes. They've been warned away from tough classes (and that might be appropriate for some of them). But I don't recall them ever being forced into taking certain classes or prohibited from taking classes.
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(01-26-2015 09:37 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-26-2015 08:07 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(01-23-2015 02:11 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-23-2015 02:00 PM)tribe_pride Wrote:  Not saying that UNC is not crap for all of this and should get punished by the NCAA but where is personal responsibility for the students who skated by? Couldn't the individual student athletes have signed up for real classes and actually have done real work? Sounds like people trying to take advantage of a system twice - first by taking joke classes when they had an opportunity to take real classes and now trying to sue for "damages" because they were allowed (but assuming not forced even if they were encouraged) to take the joke classes.

I concur - the article says, "This case involves allegations of breach of contract against UNC for a failure to provide "academically sound classes with legitimate educational instruction.""

I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of courses offered by UNC are "academically sound." The athletes just chose to take other courses instead. So UNC provided good academics; it's not their fault that athletes chose to skate by.

Disagree...because there are hundreds of past interviews of former athletes that were "forced" to take easy, and in this case, no-show classes, so that they could spend more time in the workout rooms, film rooms, easily keep their eligibility so they could play sports for said school.

You are blind to think that ALL Athletes can take "any" class offered by the Univ.

Since there are hundreds, can you link a couple? I can't remember ever reading one. They've been encouraged or steered to take easy classes. They've been warned away from tough classes (and that might be appropriate for some of them). But I don't recall them ever being forced into taking certain classes or prohibited from taking classes.

Its a joint effort by the AD and student. In North Carolina's case, they opened these classes so athletes could get a grade. Their academic advisors steered them to these classes. But the student still had a choice.
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(01-26-2015 09:37 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-26-2015 08:07 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(01-23-2015 02:11 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-23-2015 02:00 PM)tribe_pride Wrote:  Not saying that UNC is not crap for all of this and should get punished by the NCAA but where is personal responsibility for the students who skated by? Couldn't the individual student athletes have signed up for real classes and actually have done real work? Sounds like people trying to take advantage of a system twice - first by taking joke classes when they had an opportunity to take real classes and now trying to sue for "damages" because they were allowed (but assuming not forced even if they were encouraged) to take the joke classes.

I concur - the article says, "This case involves allegations of breach of contract against UNC for a failure to provide "academically sound classes with legitimate educational instruction.""

I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of courses offered by UNC are "academically sound." The athletes just chose to take other courses instead. So UNC provided good academics; it's not their fault that athletes chose to skate by.

Disagree...because there are hundreds of past interviews of former athletes that were "forced" to take easy, and in this case, no-show classes, so that they could spend more time in the workout rooms, film rooms, easily keep their eligibility so they could play sports for said school.

You are blind to think that ALL Athletes can take "any" class offered by the Univ.

Since there are hundreds, can you link a couple? I can't remember ever reading one.

This feature series by USA TODAY has been posted dozens of times on boards through the years:

College athletes studies guided toward 'major in eligibility'
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...over_N.htm

This NY Times article on "Majoring in Eligibility" also links the infamous feature article from The Chronicle about how a former Univ of Memphis Player initially graduated from HS and was admitted to Memphis and how he stayed eligible.

Majoring in Eligibility
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/09/opinio....html?_r=0

Atlanta Journal & Constitution also did a series that exposed the joke of academic performance/requirements at some major "elite" Universities (like UF).

While that article is not in the free archives, this article on this subject notes some facts from that article, which include:

The Journal-Constitution quoted Murray Sperber, a former University of Indiana professor and the author of several books on college sports. He said “there’s a huge world of Mickey Mouse courses and special curriculums that athletes are steered into. The problem is there are many athletes graduating from schools who are semiliterate.”

In one outrageous example, in 2004, an assistant men’s basketball coach (also the son of the head coach) at the University of Georgia taught a course taken by many players called “Coaching Principles and Strategy of Basketball.” The final exam consisted of questions such as: “How many goals are on a basketball court? How many points does a 3-point field goal account for in a basketball game? Diagram the half-court line.”


Here's that complete Univ of Georgia final "Basketball Class Exam" which had mostly student atheltes taking that "fake course":


http://www.redandblack.com/news/jim-harr...ed8e9.html

Some questions from said FINAL EXAM (ony exam), taught by the son of the HC of the Georgia Bulldogs and who was an asst coach, Jim Harrick Jr:

In your opinion, who is the best Division I Assistant Coach in the country?
a. Ron Jirsa
b. John Pelphrey
c. Jim Harrick, Jr.
d. Steve Wojciechowski

14. How many minutes are played in a college basketball contest?
a. 20
b. 40
c. 60
d. 90

What is the name of the exam which all high school seniors in the State of Georgia must pass?
a. Eye Exam
b. How Do The Grits Taste Exam
c. Bug Control Exam
d. Georgia Exit Exam
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