Creb, you're missing one key detail though. Increasing taxes (generating more revenue) also decreases the deficit. Most would say he has worked way to hard at this.

(01-21-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:15 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 08:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Laugh it up

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum...e-deficit/

Bless your heart.

So, adding "only" another half trillion in this year alone is lowering it.

Only in DeeCee and the minds of libs can this fantasy play out.

What did you think he meant?

What do I think who meant?

zerO? I'm sure he meant to intentionally spew his BS and have his mind numbed drones lap it up, like the good little wet nosed puppies they are.

(01-22-2015 02:18 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:15 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 08:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Laugh it up

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum...e-deficit/

Bless your heart.

So, adding "only" another half trillion in this year alone is lowering it.

Only in DeeCee and the minds of libs can this fantasy play out.

What did you think he meant?

What do I think who meant?

zerO? I'm sure he meant to intentionally spew his BS and have his mind numbed drones lap it up, like the good little wet nosed puppies they are.

You should just leave well enough alone. There was not a half trillion added to the deficit this year, and it is not spewing BS to say that the deficit has decreased.

(01-21-2015 11:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 10:53 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  "I think Reagan proved deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney Meet the Press 2002.

http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/reaga...ont-matter


Look ladies and gentleman. What I have provided is a link to back up my statements. ERC and Pyrizzo take notes. Try it sometime.

Don't confuse them with facts.

What facts? A statement by Cheney nearly a decade and a half ago, when talking about the deficits run under Reagan?

That rebuilding our military in the face of a hostile soviet union, after what the previous worst president in modern American history had done to it, and putting them on their knees cost money? Well okay, that's a fact. It's also a fact that the economy booooomed and the Soviets folded like a libs pair of skinny jeans.

Another fact- It was still somewhere around only 50% of GDP when Reagan left office, FACT.

We will soon, if we haven't already and I believe we have, eclipse 100% of GDP with our accumulated debt. Fact. So where do we get the money?

Nothing this amateur proposes ever has a mention of growth. Growing the economy. It's the same tired shuffle the money around the game board routine- take from here, redistribute there ALL in the name of Faaaaairnessss. Punish success, reward sloth and laziness.

Well, fairness simply means we're ALL worse off, and I hate to break it to our resident staunch BIG Government public employees- guess who's gonna hafta go first when the smoke and mirrors run out and the debt gets called? Those that contribute to and pay the tax bill to support all the 20 tt bloat we are carrying around, or those that are adding to it? States can't run deficits and the Federal gubments ability to bail states out will soon be over.

So I'm betting those adding to it. Fact.

JMU

He wasn't talking about deficits for Reagan. He was talking about deficits to get the Bush tax cuts through. You know this.

(01-22-2015 02:51 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 02:18 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:15 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 08:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Laugh it up

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum...e-deficit/

Bless your heart.

So, adding "only" another half trillion in this year alone is lowering it.

Only in DeeCee and the minds of libs can this fantasy play out.

What did you think he meant?

What do I think who meant?

zerO? I'm sure he meant to intentionally spew his BS and have his mind numbed drones lap it up, like the good little wet nosed puppies they are.

You should just leave well enough alone. There was not a half trillion added to the deficit this year, and it is not spewing BS to say that the deficit has decreased.

The budget deficit has decreased through FY2014 from the previous 4 years to $483 billion which is nearly half a trillion. And the current budgeted amounts predict a deficit for FY2015 of $564 billion, which would be more than half a trillion. Although if the economy continues as it has lately, this number should go down.
http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/us_deficit

(01-22-2015 08:09 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So something stupid Dick said 13 years ago makes massive fiscal deficits and debt okay today...



Noooooooooooooooooooooo. It goes to show you that we ALL are utter hypocrits when it comes to this crap. It used to be tax and spend Democrats. Now it's Cut Taxes and Borrow Republicans vs. Hold Tax Rates and Spend Democrats.

As a group Republicans have no shame. They exploded the deficit and debt and nary a peep out of you guys. You drove the economy into the ditch and you sat "What Us?". Your explanations for the crash have been debunked. You shouldn't be allowed 5 miles from any legislative body and when people vote your ousted. The only hope the GOP has is to disenfranchise the voting public. When the public votes the GOP loses. When we have historic low voter turnout you have a good night or a wave election and then you misread your mandate. Hell the leadership in the house had to pull an abortion bill yesterday because it didn't have the votes. Do you really think the GOP was put into office to overturn Roe vs. Wade???? Is that the most important topic to Americans? Enjoy these two years because when the masses vote you'll be out on your asses.

Mach, early on the Clear again?

Tell us this fairy tale about the disenfranchised voters again, it's my favorite. Right up there with the one with Unicorns and pixie dust.

It's the Anniversary of Roe v. Wade and it's proposed, largely ceremonially every year. Instead it's added each year as a rider to other appropriations bill to block federal dollars from going to pay for abortions, this time they want to make it permanent.

The good news is- Just so happens this time they have the votes to pass it!

(01-22-2015 02:51 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 02:18 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:15 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 08:44 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Laugh it up

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum...e-deficit/

Bless your heart.

So, adding "only" another half trillion in this year alone is lowering it.

Only in DeeCee and the minds of libs can this fantasy play out.

What did you think he meant?

What do I think who meant?

zerO? I'm sure he meant to intentionally spew his BS and have his mind numbed drones lap it up, like the good little wet nosed puppies they are.

You should just leave well enough alone. There was not a half trillion added to the deficit this year, and it is not spewing BS to say that the deficit has decreased.

You may want to check on that again.

Or better, leave well enough alone if you don't know what you're talking about.

The half trillion, in the form of the "deficit", has been added to our accumulated debt. Fact.

(01-22-2015 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Creb, you're missing one key detail though. Increasing taxes (generating more revenue) also decreases the deficit. Most would say he has worked way to hard at this.

Obviously, increasing taxes is a way to decrease the deficit, and you are correct in that Obama has never seen a tax he didn't like. Unfortunately, Obama always plays the rich vs poor in his attempts to get at more tax revenue. Just like is happening in France - when you take from those with money too much, rather than allow it, those with money just leave and go somewhere they aren't vilified with lower taxes. Obama is trying to kill the goose that lays golden eggs.

Funny thing is that, I would be willing to pay a little more in taxes to lower the debt if I saw tangible reductions in government expenditures and I would actually prefer they lowered spending by becoming more efficient. Problem is, it isn't anything we ever see out of government, nothing more than feed the beast.

(01-22-2015 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Creb, you're missing one key detail though. Increasing taxes (generating more revenue) also decreases the deficit. Most would say he has worked way to hard at this.

Decreasing taxes has proven to create jobs and also create prosperity, which create new revenue through taxes. John Kennedy proved it. You libs are so lost, it is hopeless.

(01-22-2015 03:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 02:51 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 02:18 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:15 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Bless your heart.

So, adding "only" another half trillion in this year alone is lowering it.

Only in DeeCee and the minds of libs can this fantasy play out.

What did you think he meant?

What do I think who meant?

zerO? I'm sure he meant to intentionally spew his BS and have his mind numbed drones lap it up, like the good little wet nosed puppies they are.

You should just leave well enough alone. There was not a half trillion added to the deficit this year, and it is not spewing BS to say that the deficit has decreased.

The budget deficit has decreased through FY2014 from the previous 4 years to $483 billion which is nearly half a trillion. And the current budgeted amounts predict a deficit for FY2015 of $564 billion, which would be more than half a trillion. Although if the economy continues as it has lately, this number should go down.
http://www.usgovernmentdebt.us/us_deficit

Just got here, lot's going on.

But, yes. This.

Tom and I agree, watch for flying pigs!!! haha

(01-22-2015 03:43 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 02:51 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 02:18 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:15 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Bless your heart.

So, adding "only" another half trillion in this year alone is lowering it.

Only in DeeCee and the minds of libs can this fantasy play out.

What did you think he meant?

What do I think who meant?

zerO? I'm sure he meant to intentionally spew his BS and have his mind numbed drones lap it up, like the good little wet nosed puppies they are.

You should just leave well enough alone. There was not a half trillion added to the deficit this year, and it is not spewing BS to say that the deficit has decreased.

You may want to check on that again.

Or better, leave well enough alone if you don't know what you're talking about.

The half trillion, in the form of the "deficit", has been added to our accumulated debt. Fact.

The article that had been posted was talking about the deficit. The thread title is talking about the deficit, yet you continue to talk about the debt. The 2 are not one and the same.
The deficit has in fact decreased, the debt has increased.

(01-22-2015 04:07 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 03:43 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 02:51 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 02:18 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 09:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  What did you think he meant?

What do I think who meant?

zerO? I'm sure he meant to intentionally spew his BS and have his mind numbed drones lap it up, like the good little wet nosed puppies they are.

You should just leave well enough alone. There was not a half trillion added to the deficit this year, and it is not spewing BS to say that the deficit has decreased.

You may want to check on that again.

Or better, leave well enough alone if you don't know what you're talking about.

The half trillion, in the form of the "deficit", has been added to our accumulated debt. Fact.

The article that had been posted was talking about the deficit. The thread title is talking about the deficit, yet you continue to talk about the debt. The 2 are not one and the same.
The deficit has in fact decreased, the debt has increased.

Wow. Just wow.

I'm not entirely sure as I haven't polled all those that have contributed to this thread, correctly or woefully incorrectly, but if I were a betting man, which I'm not, I'd bet a sizable sum that most, clearly not all , have managed to realize the thread title is in error and have moved forward with the spirit of the thread anyway.

You apparently have not, which is fine, it's kind of cute actually.

(01-22-2015 03:46 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Creb, you're missing one key detail though. Increasing taxes (generating more revenue) also decreases the deficit. Most would say he has worked way to hard at this.

Decreasing taxes has proven to create jobs and also create prosperity, which create new revenue through taxes. John Kennedy proved it. You libs are so lost, it is hopeless.

There you go again.

Facts dude. You need to post proof when you make these claims.

I'll wait..........................................

John, JMU is correct.

The deficit is an annual calculation. I posted a link with the numbers earlier.

The deficit for FY2014 was just under half a trillion.

The budget for FY2015 currently shows a deficit of over half a trillion.

But that is just a budget at this point. If revenues continue to increase as they have, that number will surely fall below half a trillion, but until revenues exceed expenses, the debt (currently over $18 trillion) will continue to increase.

Currently, yes, the budget deficit is going down...but we still spend more than we take in for the whole year.

But it would be nice if the original poster (or a moderator) would go back and correct the thread title!

(01-22-2015 04:27 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 04:07 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 03:43 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 02:51 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 02:18 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  What do I think who meant?

zerO? I'm sure he meant to intentionally spew his BS and have his mind numbed drones lap it up, like the good little wet nosed puppies they are.

You should just leave well enough alone. There was not a half trillion added to the deficit this year, and it is not spewing BS to say that the deficit has decreased.

You may want to check on that again.

Or better, leave well enough alone if you don't know what you're talking about.

The half trillion, in the form of the "deficit", has been added to our accumulated debt. Fact.

The article that had been posted was talking about the deficit. The thread title is talking about the deficit, yet you continue to talk about the debt. The 2 are not one and the same.
The deficit has in fact decreased, the debt has increased.

Wow. Just wow.

I'm not entirely sure as I haven't polled all those that have contributed to this thread, correctly or woefully incorrectly, but if I were a betting man, which I'm not, I'd bet a sizable sum that most, clearly not all , have managed to realize the thread title is in error and have moved forward with the spirit of the thread anyway.

You apparently have not, which is fine, it's kind of cute actually.

I guess you disregarded post #35 where I said the Op should change the thread title. I am well aware of the mistake there.
Not my fault you responded to an article saying the deficit was lowered with a comment about how it increased by half a trillion, regardless of the fact that fit was screwing with you guys. Nor is it my fault you mentioned something about Obama spewing his BS, when he didn't mention the debt, but did mention the deficit. It is not BS the the deficit has gone down, it would be BS if he were talking about the debt.

(01-22-2015 04:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  John, JMU is correct.

The deficit is an annual calculation. I posted a link with the numbers earlier.

The deficit for FY2014 was just under half a trillion.

The budget for FY2015 currently shows a deficit of over half a trillion.

But that is just a budget at this point. If revenues continue to increase as they have, that number will surely fall below half a trillion, but until revenues exceed expenses, the debt (currently over $18 trillion) will continue to increase.

Currently, yes, the budget deficit is going down...but we still spend more than we take in for the whole year.

But it would be nice if the original poster (or a moderator) would go back and correct the thread title!

Actually, according to the link you posted, the debt went up over a trillion last year. I can still only assume he was talking about the half trillion deficit.

The insanity here is all you fools going along with the concept of a budget deficit.

who the hell budgets with a deficit!

why thump your chest about a decreased budget deficit!

even a balanced budget leaves the total debt as is.

(01-22-2015 05:09 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 04:27 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 04:07 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 03:43 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 02:51 PM)gobluebigjon Wrote:  You should just leave well enough alone. There was not a half trillion added to the deficit this year, and it is not spewing BS to say that the deficit has decreased.

You may want to check on that again.

Or better, leave well enough alone if you don't know what you're talking about.

The half trillion, in the form of the "deficit", has been added to our accumulated debt. Fact.

The article that had been posted was talking about the deficit. The thread title is talking about the deficit, yet you continue to talk about the debt. The 2 are not one and the same.
The deficit has in fact decreased, the debt has increased.

Wow. Just wow.

I'm not entirely sure as I haven't polled all those that have contributed to this thread, correctly or woefully incorrectly, but if I were a betting man, which I'm not, I'd bet a sizable sum that most, clearly not all , have managed to realize the thread title is in error and have moved forward with the spirit of the thread anyway.

You apparently have not, which is fine, it's kind of cute actually.

I guess you disregarded post #35 where I said the Op should change the thread title. I am well aware of the mistake there.
Not my fault you responded to an article saying the deficit was lowered with a comment about how it increased by half a trillion, regardless of the fact that fit was screwing with you guys. Nor is it my fault you mentioned something about Obama spewing his BS, when he didn't mention the debt, but did mention the deficit. It is not BS the the deficit has gone down, it would be BS if he were talking about the debt.

Perhaps not, but it is your fault that you apparently can't read. I never mentioned that article.

I was responding to Fitty's nonsense in his answer TO the thread title. "He did. How he lowered it." He then responded with his semi-relevant article presumably trying to bolster his case that zerO did indeed mention the DEBT, and that it was coming down.

"What do you think he meant?" He pretty clearly wasn't asking what the article author meant, but what ES meant. I responded, apparently correctly, that it was meant to confuse the feeble minded, obfuscate the issue and as someone else correctly posited have the mind numbed audience think we are bringing down the debt.

Hence " Why didn't Obama mention the 18 trillion dollar deficit last night?" "He did. How he lowered it"

We gettin' this camera guy? If not I can try again to spell it out more clearly. Perhaps using crayons next time.

(01-21-2015 11:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So something stupid Dick said 13 years ago makes massive fiscal deficits and debt okay today...

That's utterly moronic kids.

It's the hypocrisy