At this point, it doesn't get us to a championship game in football...I'd rather see the aggies as a full member with a football only addition.

(01-20-2015 11:43 AM)Beltfan Wrote:  

(01-20-2015 11:15 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(01-20-2015 09:25 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  This will be a slippery slope and will lead to either a split in FBS or more UAB type situations in ten years. Either that or the cost of education (through student fee increases) will be a larger percentage of athletic "revenue" for G5 programs.

Understand what you're saying, I would point out though that UAB did not fail due to finances . .. theirs was a political demise . . .
But for those programs whose athletic income is already marginal, this could be bad news over time . . .

They didn't? What you need to understand is, it wasn't all "politics". The BOT can't be blamed for the poor play on the field and the empty seats in the stadium. UAB originally was the medical school of the University of Alabama and became a commuter school later when other curriculum was added. They have always been under the control of the UATBOT, unlike the way the Texas system operates. If the football program had carried their weight it would have survived.

LOL! Just amazing. Not sure if troll, SEC slave zombie or not aware of how math works.

(01-21-2015 01:07 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  At this point, it doesn't get us to a championship game in football...I'd rather see the aggies as a full member with a football only addition.

Are you referring to having UAB as a member in the post before you?

UAB would solve the Olympic side of thing if divisions were wanted.
West: Tex. St, UTA, Ark. St, UALR, ULM, ULL
East: UAB, Troy, USA, GaSo, GSU, App St.

Otherwise, if no divisions, then bringing UAB and having NMSU as a full member will upgrade the basketball profile and also give a compromise of sorts to having a western addition for Tex. St. and UTA.

Drop Idaho and the Sun Belt has a 10 team fb conference and 13 basketball teams.

UAB will soon-maybe VERY soon be homeless.I wish C-USA did not have to lose them.



Why they would be a great add for the SBC:

1-Location-smack dab in the middle of footprint.TROY-2hrs,Mobile-3.5hrs,Atlanta-2hrs,Jonesboro-4.5hrs,etc..

2-Media market,easy access airport,interstates.

3-Chance for better market coverage in Alabama and rivalries that can increase attendance and fan interest.

4-Former member and name recognition.

5-Simplifies East-West divisions for basketball and olympic sports.

6-Basketball RPI boost and tradition.

7-Excellent facilities.

8-MAY RETURN TO FBS FOOTBALL in the near future or at least have interest in doing so.

(01-21-2015 03:09 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  UAB will soon-maybe VERY soon be homeless.I wish C-USA did not have to lose them.



Why they would be a great add for the SBC:

1-Location-smack dab in the middle of footprint.TROY-2hrs,Mobile-3.5hrs,Atlanta-2hrs,Jonesboro-4.5hrs,etc..

2-Media market,easy access airport,interstates.

3-Chance for better market coverage in Alabama and rivalries that can increase attendance and fan interest.

4-Former member and name recognition.

5-Simplifies East-West divisions for basketball and olympic sports.

6-Basketball RPI boost and tradition.

7-Excellent facilities.

8-MAY RETURN TO FBS FOOTBALL in the near future or at least have interest in doing so.

. . . not that my opinion counts for anything (in terms of where UAB does or does not go), but I cetainly have no objection to them being a Belt Conference member. It's a shame what happened to their FB program, and an even bigger shame to now be w/o a conference (at least that's the way it looks due to CUSA rules).
If they're so inclined to accept being in the Belt, I for one say: "bring 'em" . .. ."bring 'em to the island of misfit toys," and while we're at it: NMSU for ALL sports

I would take them.

(01-21-2015 03:09 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  UAB will soon-maybe VERY soon be homeless.I wish C-USA did not have to lose them.



Why they would be a great add for the SBC:

1-Location-smack dab in the middle of footprint.TROY-2hrs,Mobile-3.5hrs,Atlanta-2hrs,Jonesboro-4.5hrs,etc..

2-Media market,easy access airport,interstates.

3-Chance for better market coverage in Alabama and rivalries that can increase attendance and fan interest.

4-Former member and name recognition.

5-Simplifies East-West divisions for basketball and olympic sports.

6-Basketball RPI boost and tradition.

7-Excellent facilities.

8-MAY RETURN TO FBS FOOTBALL in the near future or at least have interest in doing so.

Why they should not be added:

The big ONE--May drop all sports after next year.

(01-21-2015 04:48 PM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 03:09 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  UAB will soon-maybe VERY soon be homeless.I wish C-USA did not have to lose them.



Why they would be a great add for the SBC:

1-Location-smack dab in the middle of footprint.TROY-2hrs,Mobile-3.5hrs,Atlanta-2hrs,Jonesboro-4.5hrs,etc..

2-Media market,easy access airport,interstates.

3-Chance for better market coverage in Alabama and rivalries that can increase attendance and fan interest.

4-Former member and name recognition.

5-Simplifies East-West divisions for basketball and olympic sports.

6-Basketball RPI boost and tradition.

7-Excellent facilities.

8-MAY RETURN TO FBS FOOTBALL in the near future or at least have interest in doing so.

Why they should not be added:

The big ONE--May drop all sports after next year.

Where are you getting that from? Link?

(01-21-2015 06:45 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 04:48 PM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 03:09 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  UAB will soon-maybe VERY soon be homeless.I wish C-USA did not have to lose them.



Why they would be a great add for the SBC:

1-Location-smack dab in the middle of footprint.TROY-2hrs,Mobile-3.5hrs,Atlanta-2hrs,Jonesboro-4.5hrs,etc..

2-Media market,easy access airport,interstates.

3-Chance for better market coverage in Alabama and rivalries that can increase attendance and fan interest.

4-Former member and name recognition.

5-Simplifies East-West divisions for basketball and olympic sports.

6-Basketball RPI boost and tradition.

7-Excellent facilities.

8-MAY RETURN TO FBS FOOTBALL in the near future or at least have interest in doing so.

Why they should not be added:

The big ONE--May drop all sports after next year.

Where are you getting that from? Link?

No kidding! They are still keeping the athletics program.

(01-22-2015 10:13 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 06:45 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 04:48 PM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 03:09 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  UAB will soon-maybe VERY soon be homeless.I wish C-USA did not have to lose them.



Why they would be a great add for the SBC:

1-Location-smack dab in the middle of footprint.TROY-2hrs,Mobile-3.5hrs,Atlanta-2hrs,Jonesboro-4.5hrs,etc..

2-Media market,easy access airport,interstates.

3-Chance for better market coverage in Alabama and rivalries that can increase attendance and fan interest.

4-Former member and name recognition.

5-Simplifies East-West divisions for basketball and olympic sports.

6-Basketball RPI boost and tradition.

7-Excellent facilities.

8-MAY RETURN TO FBS FOOTBALL in the near future or at least have interest in doing so.

Why they should not be added:

The big ONE--May drop all sports after next year.

Where are you getting that from? Link?

No kidding! They are still keeping the athletics program.

And last year at this time they were keeping the football program. Don't forget who is in charge. They are not in a stable situation. The uproar may help, but after it dies down how long before the next shoe drops.

Adding UAB and NMSU all sports would be great for the SBC. having UAB in an east division would be nice too. I really hope the SBC can sort out this 12th football member issue. The only down side I see to adding UAB is that IF we ever drop Idaho and add 2 new full members would having 15 olympic sports teams be an issue?

(01-22-2015 10:43 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Adding UAB and NMSU all sports would be great for the SBC. having UAB in an east division would be nice too. I really hope the SBC can sort out this 12th football member issue. The only down side I see to adding UAB is that IF we ever drop Idaho and add 2 new full members would having 15 olympic sports teams be an issue?

I think the Sun Belt having a CCG is not going to happen, so all the SBC would have is a 10 team FB (no Idaho) and 13 team Olympic sports. You can work a schedule to where there is a 'division' without really having one because the tournament take care of who the Sun Belt champion is.

(01-22-2015 10:49 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 10:43 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Adding UAB and NMSU all sports would be great for the SBC. having UAB in an east division would be nice too. I really hope the SBC can sort out this 12th football member issue. The only down side I see to adding UAB is that IF we ever drop Idaho and add 2 new full members would having 15 olympic sports teams be an issue?

I think the Sun Belt having a CCG is not going to happen, so all the SBC would have is a 10 team FB (no Idaho) and 13 team Olympic sports. You can work a schedule to where there is a 'division' without really having one because the tournament take care of who the Sun Belt champion is.

Probably something similar to how the MWC schedules 11 teams in Basketball.

(01-22-2015 03:15 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 10:49 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 10:43 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Adding UAB and NMSU all sports would be great for the SBC. having UAB in an east division would be nice too. I really hope the SBC can sort out this 12th football member issue. The only down side I see to adding UAB is that IF we ever drop Idaho and add 2 new full members would having 15 olympic sports teams be an issue?

I think the Sun Belt having a CCG is not going to happen, so all the SBC would have is a 10 team FB (no Idaho) and 13 team Olympic sports. You can work a schedule to where there is a 'division' without really having one because the tournament take care of who the Sun Belt champion is.

Probably something similar to how the MWC schedules 11 teams in Basketball.

Exactly what I was thinking. The far east and west teams would play each other only once each year or even not play a couple of schools. While a H-H is worked between the each west and east group.

(01-22-2015 10:49 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 10:43 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Adding UAB and NMSU all sports would be great for the SBC. having UAB in an east division would be nice too. I really hope the SBC can sort out this 12th football member issue. The only down side I see to adding UAB is that IF we ever drop Idaho and add 2 new full members would having 15 olympic sports teams be an issue?

I think the Sun Belt having a CCG is not going to happen, so all the SBC would have is a 10 team FB (no Idaho) and 13 team Olympic sports. You can work a schedule to where there is a 'division' without really having one because the tournament take care of who the Sun Belt champion is.

The SBC is not going to a 10 team, nine game conference schedule. No school is going to want to lose a potential money game or home game. Playing five conference games on the road is not going to happen.

A 13 team SBC olympic schedule also makes no sense. Dividing up NCAA tournament revenue 13 ways instead of 11 does not make sense unless the additional teams mean a 2nd bid. Neither NMSU or UAB get you there. NMSU this season is 10-10 and 1-8 on the road. UAB is 8-10. Over the years they have both had good basketball programs, but they are not difference makers.

UAB is centrally located for travel so they could make sense as a 12th school. NMSU is a long way to send all of the eastern SBC olympic sports teams. All of these programs would be traveling to Las Cruces because the men's basketball program has been pretty good in the past compared to the SBC men's basketball programs. A lousy reason to add NMSU.

(01-22-2015 05:25 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 10:49 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 10:43 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Adding UAB and NMSU all sports would be great for the SBC. having UAB in an east division would be nice too. I really hope the SBC can sort out this 12th football member issue. The only down side I see to adding UAB is that IF we ever drop Idaho and add 2 new full members would having 15 olympic sports teams be an issue?

I think the Sun Belt having a CCG is not going to happen, so all the SBC would have is a 10 team FB (no Idaho) and 13 team Olympic sports. You can work a schedule to where there is a 'division' without really having one because the tournament take care of who the Sun Belt champion is.

The SBC is not going to a 10 team, nine game conference schedule. No school is going to want to lose a potential money game or home game. Playing five conference games on the road is not going to happen.

A 13 team SBC olympic schedule also makes no sense. Dividing up NCAA tournament revenue 13 ways instead of 11 does not make sense unless the additional teams mean a 2nd bid. Neither NMSU or UAB get you there. NMSU this season is 10-10 and 1-8 on the road. UAB is 8-10. Over the years they have both had good basketball programs, but they are not difference makers.

UAB is centrally located for travel so they could make sense as a 12th school. NMSU is a long way to send all of the eastern SBC olympic sports teams. All of these programs would be traveling to Las Cruces because the men's basketball program has been pretty good in the past compared to the SBC men's basketball programs. A lousy reason to add NMSU.

They also bring pretty good baseball. . . . .

. . NMSU for ALL sports . . ..

(01-22-2015 05:25 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 10:49 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 10:43 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Adding UAB and NMSU all sports would be great for the SBC. having UAB in an east division would be nice too. I really hope the SBC can sort out this 12th football member issue. The only down side I see to adding UAB is that IF we ever drop Idaho and add 2 new full members would having 15 olympic sports teams be an issue?

I think the Sun Belt having a CCG is not going to happen, so all the SBC would have is a 10 team FB (no Idaho) and 13 team Olympic sports. You can work a schedule to where there is a 'division' without really having one because the tournament take care of who the Sun Belt champion is.

The SBC is not going to a 10 team, nine game conference schedule. No school is going to want to lose a potential money game or home game. Playing five conference games on the road is not going to happen.

A 13 team SBC olympic schedule also makes no sense. Dividing up NCAA tournament revenue 13 ways instead of 11 does not make sense unless the additional teams mean a 2nd bid. Neither NMSU or UAB get you there. NMSU this season is 10-10 and 1-8 on the road. UAB is 8-10. Over the years they have both had good basketball programs, but they are not difference makers.

UAB is centrally located for travel so they could make sense as a 12th school. NMSU is a long way to send all of the eastern SBC olympic sports teams. All of these programs would be traveling to Las Cruces because the men's basketball program has been pretty good in the past compared to the SBC men's basketball programs. A lousy reason to add NMSU.

Who said you have to go to 9 conference games? You could stay at 8 with a 10 team conference.

I guess you didn't get the hint that the east teams don't have to play at NMSU or only once every 2 years if schedule right.
Despite only a down year both NMSU and UAB have been at the top of their leagues and would bolster the Sunbelt to get a 2 bid as their past RPI history have been much higher than any other Sun Belt team.

I'll say this, if the Sun Belt doesn't act on NMSU soon, they may be off to another conference and then the Sun Belt is down another football school in which then you have to be stuck with Idaho .

(01-22-2015 05:25 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 10:49 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 10:43 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Adding UAB and NMSU all sports would be great for the SBC. having UAB in an east division would be nice too. I really hope the SBC can sort out this 12th football member issue. The only down side I see to adding UAB is that IF we ever drop Idaho and add 2 new full members would having 15 olympic sports teams be an issue?

I think the Sun Belt having a CCG is not going to happen, so all the SBC would have is a 10 team FB (no Idaho) and 13 team Olympic sports. You can work a schedule to where there is a 'division' without really having one because the tournament take care of who the Sun Belt champion is.

The SBC is not going to a 10 team, nine game conference schedule. No school is going to want to lose a potential money game or home game. Playing five conference games on the road is not going to happen.

A 13 team SBC olympic schedule also makes no sense. Dividing up NCAA tournament revenue 13 ways instead of 11 does not make sense unless the additional teams mean a 2nd bid. Neither NMSU or UAB get you there. NMSU this season is 10-10 and 1-8 on the road. UAB is 8-10. Over the years they have both had good basketball programs, but they are not difference makers.

UAB is centrally located for travel so they could make sense as a 12th school. NMSU is a long way to send all of the eastern SBC olympic sports teams. All of these programs would be traveling to Las Cruces because the men's basketball program has been pretty good in the past compared to the SBC men's basketball programs. A lousy reason to add NMSU.

Well you wont have to worry about NMSU becoming a full member. Like I said a couple of weeks back it was rumored NMSU was already told that they would only be in the SBC for football through 2017.

As for NMSU MBB, this season we lost two senior to injuries at the start of the season, one of which was the WAC Pre-season player of the year 2013-14 & 2014-15 and was WAC POY 2013-14. We have been playing with 2 seniors, 2 sophomores & 5 freshmen. Our OOC schedule has included Baylor, Wichita St and St. Marys this year. Now that is no excuse for our record or our level of play right now, but some years your team is going to have a down year.

This image was smuggled out of the meeting.

(01-22-2015 05:58 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Well you wont have to worry about NMSU becoming a full member. Like I said a couple of weeks back it was rumored NMSU was already told that they would only be in the SBC for football through 2017.

Phantom, your sources have been pretty accurate, but are you sure there's no miscommunication on this? any follow up?

It doesn't seem to jive with the stated goal of expansion in the Sun Belt ( unless there's a big move for numerous additions ).