(01-26-2015 09:29 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I wouldn't mind giving some stipend out to athletics if I didn't think (or know) a great majority of them would spend it on booze, drugs or girls.

What else would be worth spending it on, especially when you're a college athlete?

(01-24-2015 08:31 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  CUSA has considered 16 before and it failed to gain traction because a group of eastern schools were pushing JMU which would have denied UAB the chance to be in the more travel friendly east. The hope was two western teams to get UAB into a position to save money.

Why would anyone want to push JMU?

I've been through the campus recently and it has a small public school on steroids feel to it. They can't recruit well at the FCS level but put them in an FBS conference and they aren't so attractive.

At least with a school like Louisiana you get the sense they are trying to project a major state school feel. Lafayette is an easier town to recruit to than most in the South.

(01-26-2015 08:53 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Speaking of SBC meetings--- when are the next ones? I am guessing at the basketball tournament in March in New Orleans?

There are meetings in New Orleans during the basketball tournament, but the Major Spring Meeting is in May in Pensacola. Usually it's the same weekend as the baseball tournament.

(01-19-2015 09:01 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(01-19-2015 06:36 PM)bamaEagle Wrote:  

(01-19-2015 05:52 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(01-19-2015 05:11 PM)bamaEagle Wrote:  For once I actually agree with how this is working for the players. School is a lot more expensive than just tuition and a place to stay. As long as we don't get into paying these guys more and more and more, I don't see any issue with it. All schools that are able to do so should definitely join in on this.

How is school more expensive than tuition, books, room & board?

Transportation, food for when establishments on campus that requires a meal plan are not open, emergencies. These players more than likely cannot get a job due to practice, games, travel, and class. Not very great being stuck far away from home with $0.00 to your name. I am fortunate to have been able to come up with some money during college, but not all of these athletes are quite as privileged.

Where does a player need to go?

Food for when establishments on campus are not open? Is that even an issue anymore with all the chains on campus these days that accept "university currency"?

What emergencies? I mean, I think they should get full health care insurance, with the university picking up the deductible, but past that, what emergencies would pop up?

You say it's not very great being stuck away from home with no money, I say you were given an opportunity to have an education that many others couldn't afford because they too had no money to their name.

An athletic scholarship should be tuition (including costs associated with books and labs), room, board, and health insurance. Because those same woes you are talking about are present with academic scholarship kids, but there's nobody championing their cause.

And the argument of "no money" for the ones that can't get $50 a week from a parent....most likely is getting $5300 or there about in a pell grant. That works out to about $110 dollars a week over 48 weeks. I think over the course of a year most will be gone from school at least 5 weeks.

Then we have summer jobs and not one of them will be working for $7.35 a hour. Nope each player that wants a job can get a decent one for $10 and up and at one time each student athlete could earn up to $2,000 per year above the value of the full grant that is given to he or she while on scholarship.

Someone said a college ball player can't do the things a normal student can do...

it works both way.

The normal student is not going to get a all expense paid 5 day trip to S. Fla in the dead of winter. The normal student doesn't have a handful of tutors anytime they need the help. The normal student will not be getting a all expense paid trip to NYC during Thanksgiving...or maybe a trip to another country for 12 days. The normal student will not get 5 to 6 pairs of $150+ shoes to wear. There are perks that comes with playing sports at a school that goes way beyond what the normal student will ever see.

Some of these player will eat more at 1 team breakfast than the normal student will be able to afford for the week. It's hard for me to believe any of them will go hungry.

(01-27-2015 10:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-24-2015 08:31 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  CUSA has considered 16 before and it failed to gain traction because a group of eastern schools were pushing JMU which would have denied UAB the chance to be in the more travel friendly east. The hope was two western teams to get UAB into a position to save money.

Why would anyone want to push JMU?

I've been through the campus recently and it has a small public school on steroids feel to it. They can't recruit well at the FCS level but put them in an FBS conference and they aren't so attractive.

At least with a school like Louisiana you get the sense they are trying to project a major state school feel. Lafayette is an easier town to recruit to than most in the South.

I feel JMU is at a dead end street here. CUSA is more than likely not going to take them or even look their way, so it's the Sun Belt or CAA for life. It's their choice.

I know the SBC would still take them to get to 12 in a heartbeat. I'd trade out Idaho for a JMU-UMass combo any day.

(01-28-2015 11:32 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 10:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-24-2015 08:31 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  CUSA has considered 16 before and it failed to gain traction because a group of eastern schools were pushing JMU which would have denied UAB the chance to be in the more travel friendly east. The hope was two western teams to get UAB into a position to save money.

Why would anyone want to push JMU?

I've been through the campus recently and it has a small public school on steroids feel to it. They can't recruit well at the FCS level but put them in an FBS conference and they aren't so attractive.

At least with a school like Louisiana you get the sense they are trying to project a major state school feel. Lafayette is an easier town to recruit to than most in the South.

I feel JMU is at a dead end street here. CUSA is more than likely not going to take them or even look their way, so it's the Sun Belt or CAA for life. It's their choice.

I know the SBC would still take them to get to 12 in a heartbeat. I'd trade out Idaho for a JMU-UMass combo any day.

Oh how some of us rational Dukes wish it would happen. CAA4Lyfe is no life at all.

(01-28-2015 01:58 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-19-2015 09:01 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(01-19-2015 06:36 PM)bamaEagle Wrote:  

(01-19-2015 05:52 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(01-19-2015 05:11 PM)bamaEagle Wrote:  For once I actually agree with how this is working for the players. School is a lot more expensive than just tuition and a place to stay. As long as we don't get into paying these guys more and more and more, I don't see any issue with it. All schools that are able to do so should definitely join in on this.

How is school more expensive than tuition, books, room & board?

Transportation, food for when establishments on campus that requires a meal plan are not open, emergencies. These players more than likely cannot get a job due to practice, games, travel, and class. Not very great being stuck far away from home with $0.00 to your name. I am fortunate to have been able to come up with some money during college, but not all of these athletes are quite as privileged.

Where does a player need to go?

Food for when establishments on campus are not open? Is that even an issue anymore with all the chains on campus these days that accept "university currency"?

What emergencies? I mean, I think they should get full health care insurance, with the university picking up the deductible, but past that, what emergencies would pop up?

You say it's not very great being stuck away from home with no money, I say you were given an opportunity to have an education that many others couldn't afford because they too had no money to their name.

An athletic scholarship should be tuition (including costs associated with books and labs), room, board, and health insurance. Because those same woes you are talking about are present with academic scholarship kids, but there's nobody championing their cause.

And the argument of "no money" for the ones that can't get $50 a week from a parent....most likely is getting $5300 or there about in a pell grant. That works out to about $110 dollars a week over 48 weeks. I think over the course of a year most will be gone from school at least 5 weeks.

Then we have summer jobs and not one of them will be working for $7.35 a hour. Nope each player that wants a job can get a decent one for $10 and up and at one time each student athlete could earn up to $2,000 per year above the value of the full grant that is given to he or she while on scholarship.

Someone said a college ball player can't do the things a normal student can do...

it works both way.

The normal student is not going to get a all expense paid 5 day trip to S. Fla in the dead of winter. The normal student doesn't have a handful of tutors anytime they need the help. The normal student will not be getting a all expense paid trip to NYC during Thanksgiving...or maybe a trip to another country for 12 days. The normal student will not get 5 to 6 pairs of $150+ shoes to wear. There are perks that comes with playing sports at a school that goes way beyond what the normal student will ever see.

Some of these player will eat more at 1 team breakfast than the normal student will be able to afford for the week. It's hard for me to believe any of them will go hungry.

The government takes scholarship award into consideration when giving out the Pell Grant, so no, not all players whose families can't support them are walking around with 5300 dollars.

Also every student on campus has the same access to as much tutoring as they want for free. Each department of the school generally has tutors for all subjects for varying hours, so no athletes don't have that edge over regular students.

Traditional students also don't have to worry about missing a ton of class during those "full expense payed trips." Just like everyone else, the athlete has to maintain a certain GPA.

The normal student has time to get a year around job and buy as many shoes as he wants. Athletes don't have that year around job opportunity.

(01-28-2015 04:11 PM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 11:32 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 10:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-24-2015 08:31 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  CUSA has considered 16 before and it failed to gain traction because a group of eastern schools were pushing JMU which would have denied UAB the chance to be in the more travel friendly east. The hope was two western teams to get UAB into a position to save money.

Why would anyone want to push JMU?

I've been through the campus recently and it has a small public school on steroids feel to it. They can't recruit well at the FCS level but put them in an FBS conference and they aren't so attractive.

At least with a school like Louisiana you get the sense they are trying to project a major state school feel. Lafayette is an easier town to recruit to than most in the South.

I feel JMU is at a dead end street here. CUSA is more than likely not going to take them or even look their way, so it's the Sun Belt or CAA for life. It's their choice.

I know the SBC would still take them to get to 12 in a heartbeat. I'd trade out Idaho for a JMU-UMass combo any day.

Oh how some of us rational Dukes wish it would happen. CAA4Lyfe is no life at all.

I wish your admin would see it rationally, too, but it doesn't look too good for the Dukes. I feel bad for your fanbase. You guys deserve better.

(01-29-2015 02:53 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 04:11 PM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 11:32 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(01-27-2015 10:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-24-2015 08:31 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  CUSA has considered 16 before and it failed to gain traction because a group of eastern schools were pushing JMU which would have denied UAB the chance to be in the more travel friendly east. The hope was two western teams to get UAB into a position to save money.

Why would anyone want to push JMU?

I've been through the campus recently and it has a small public school on steroids feel to it. They can't recruit well at the FCS level but put them in an FBS conference and they aren't so attractive.

At least with a school like Louisiana you get the sense they are trying to project a major state school feel. Lafayette is an easier town to recruit to than most in the South.

I feel JMU is at a dead end street here. CUSA is more than likely not going to take them or even look their way, so it's the Sun Belt or CAA for life. It's their choice.

I know the SBC would still take them to get to 12 in a heartbeat. I'd trade out Idaho for a JMU-UMass combo any day.

Oh how some of us rational Dukes wish it would happen. CAA4Lyfe is no life at all.

I wish your admin would see it rationally, too, but it doesn't look too good for the Dukes. I feel bad for your fanbase. You guys deserve better.

We reap what we sow...We have had a do NOTHING admin for 17 years now, and we fans/alums have allowed it to percolate.

(01-27-2015 10:15 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(01-26-2015 09:29 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I wouldn't mind giving some stipend out to athletics if I didn't think (or know) a great majority of them would spend it on booze, drugs or girls.

What else would be worth spending it on, especially when you're a college athlete?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aVQhKRTVBk8#

(01-28-2015 11:32 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  I know the SBC would still take them to get to 12 in a heartbeat. I'd trade out Idaho for a JMU-UMass combo any day.

Do you know that though? There's been rumors that a few of the key players in the conference turned sour on JMU after being rebuffed.

(No, I'm not considering Texas State as a key player)

Could be BS though, which is why I ask.

(01-29-2015 05:28 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(01-28-2015 11:32 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  I know the SBC would still take them to get to 12 in a heartbeat. I'd trade out Idaho for a JMU-UMass combo any day.

Do you know that though? There's been rumors that a few of the key players in the conference turned sour on JMU after being rebuffed.

(No, I'm not considering Texas State as a key player)

Could be BS though, which is why I ask.

The Sun Belt should consider UAB/UMASS and add NMSU for all sports. Ask UMASS to schedule four games annually again Sun Belt teams. Don't extend Idaho and wait for Missouri State to get ready to fill that spot.

East

Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Massachusettes
South Alabama
Troy

West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
Idaho/Missouri State
New Mexico State
Texas State

Basketball

Alabama Birmingham
Appalachian State
Arkansas - Little Rock
Arkansas State
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
Missouri State
New Mexico State
South Alabama
Texas Arlington
Texas State
Troy