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RE: Happy MLK day
His taste for hookers and booze is well known. He also enjoyed beating on those hookers, and bribes. That's pretty common knowledge.

Do I think he should be shunned for all of that? No. It's bad, real bad, but nobody in history is perfect. He did a lot of good and should be celebrated for the good.
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01-19-2015 10:26 PM
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(01-19-2015 08:10 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-19-2015 06:24 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(01-19-2015 02:28 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I'll admit if he were alive today he probably would be a big anti-war and pro-union liberal.
That's definitely where he stood 50 years ago.
Quote:I have a hard time on the other hand believing he would be happy with the people that pass as "civil rights leaders" today.
Why wouldn't he be?

so sad where the feathers float in no wind......
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(01-19-2015 10:23 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(01-19-2015 09:34 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  Haven't heard about those things. I'm truly intrigued by this post and was wondering if you could post some more information about it.

Even if those things are true, do you think he should not be celebrated for what he did fighting racism and for what he stood for?

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n...=mlk+drunk

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(01-19-2015 09:34 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  Even if those things are true, do you think he should not be celebrated for what he did fighting racism and for what he stood for?

Sharpton and Jackson also claim to fight racism. People are choosing to shine a spotlight on just certain aspects of MLK, not the entire man. Should a man be judged on just a few things or his entire being? I'm willing to give King credit for the good things he did but he did have a bad side.

There are a bunch of men who've actually owned people with illegitimate children by said people, and they are considered national heroes and they have many more memorials.

MLK is not without company.
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(01-19-2015 10:59 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(01-19-2015 10:23 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(01-19-2015 09:34 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  Haven't heard about those things. I'm truly intrigued by this post and was wondering if you could post some more information about it.

Even if those things are true, do you think he should not be celebrated for what he did fighting racism and for what he stood for?

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n...=mlk+drunk

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=n...gws_rd=ssl


(01-19-2015 09:34 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  Even if those things are true, do you think he should not be celebrated for what he did fighting racism and for what he stood for?

Sharpton and Jackson also claim to fight racism. People are choosing to shine a spotlight on just certain aspects of MLK, not the entire man. Should a man be judged on just a few things or his entire being? I'm willing to give King credit for the good things he did but he did have a bad side.

There are a bunch of men who've actually owned people with illegitimate children by said people, and they are considered national heroes and they have many more memorials.

MLK is not without company.

I know. Christopher Columbus is no longer a hero because of slavery. In school my son was taught Washington, among others, had slaves.
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(01-19-2015 10:59 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  There are a bunch of men who've actually owned people with illegitimate children by said people, and they are considered national heroes and they have many more memorials.
Thomas Jefferson was a mix of good and bad like everyone else. If for no other reason, simply writing the Declaration of Independence should be enough (and so far, has been enough) to ensure his fame for several centuries. But the sad reality is, he was a dud as Governor of Virginia and a dud as President of the United States. The President whom Jefferson served as Secretary of State (Geo. Washington) started out with a favorable opinion of him, but eventually concluded that Jefferson was dishonest and after that, refused to speak to him for the rest of his life (6-7 years). Even with the financial advantages of slave-labor, Jefferson's plantation Monticello slowly withered and fell apart while he stared into his telescopes and wrote letters to his friends in Paris. (In stark contrast to Washington's plantation Mt. Vernon). Jefferson's contemporary analysis of the French Revolution -- he was in the country when it started and the 5 years leading up to it -- is embarrassingly contradictory and naïve, and has been graciously allowed to fade into obscurity.

But for all that, there is just no proof that Jefferson fathered children by his slaves. That story was invented by Jefferson's political enemies in the campaign of 1800, but was never substantiated. After the campaign ended, the story went away and didn't "come back" until Jefferson had been dead for a long time. About 20 years ago, genetic testing on the heirs of Sally Hemings proved that they were related to Jefferson but did not prove that they were descended from Jefferson. There were other men in Jefferson's family -- one in particular, but I forget his name -- that were known to spend a lot of time with female slaves. It is remarkable how so many people seemingly Want that story to be true, and take offense when confronted with the evidence that it is probably not true.
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(01-19-2015 11:39 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(01-19-2015 10:59 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  There are a bunch of men who've actually owned people with illegitimate children by said people, and they are considered national heroes and they have many more memorials.
Thomas Jefferson was a mix of good and bad like everyone else. If for no other reason, simply writing the Declaration of Independence should be enough (and so far, has been enough) to ensure his fame for several centuries. But the sad reality is, he was a dud as Governor of Virginia and a dud as President of the United States. The President whom Jefferson served as Secretary of State (Geo. Washington) basically had a neutral opinion of him. Even with the financial advantages of slave-labor, Jefferson's plantation Monticello slowly withered and fell apart while he stared into his telescopes and wrote letters to his friends in Paris. (In stark contrast to Washington's plantation Mt. Vernon). Jefferson's contemporary analysis of the French Revolution -- he was in the country when it started -- is embarrassingly naïve and has been graciously allowed to fade into obscurity.

But for all that, there is just no proof that Jefferson fathered children by his slaves. That story was invented by Jefferson's political enemies in the campaign of 1800, but was never substantiated. After the campaign ended, the story went away and didn't "come back" until Jefferson had been dead for a long time. About 20 years ago, genetic testing on the heirs of Sally Hemings proved that they were related to Jefferson but did not prove that they were descended from Jefferson. There were other men in Jefferson's family -- one in particular, but I forget his name -- that were known to spend a lot of time with female slaves. It is remarkable how so many people seemingly Want that story to be true, and take offense when confronted with the evidence that it is probably not true.

I'm not offended.
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Nomad I should've made clear that I wasn't referring to you specifically.

But on the other hand, who were you talking about?
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(01-19-2015 10:34 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(01-19-2015 08:10 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-19-2015 06:24 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(01-19-2015 02:28 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I'll admit if he were alive today he probably would be a big anti-war and pro-union liberal.
That's definitely where he stood 50 years ago.
Quote:I have a hard time on the other hand believing he would be happy with the people that pass as "civil rights leaders" today.
Why wouldn't he be?

so sad where the feathers float in no wind......
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was agreeing with you in my crazy, arcane way....
01-20-2015 09:55 AM
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(01-19-2015 11:57 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Nomad I should've made clear that I wasn't referring to you specifically.

But on the other hand, who were you talking about?

I was talking Jefferson, you enlightened me.
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Jefferson did in fact keep his promise to his wife and never remarried! So that in itself would be a difficult thing to do for a man in his forties. Also, it is quite a bitchy request of a selfish spouse!! So if he did have relationship with Sally Hemmings or any one else,... the man is human and it was not extra marital or a hooker like MLK.
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