Happening right now.

New concussion rules passes.

Full cost-of-attendence financial aid passed 79-1.

Rule to allow athletes to borrow against future earnings passes unanimously.

(01-17-2015 04:30 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Full cost-of-attendence financial aid passed 79-1.

Who was the 1? They might be my favorite P5 school.

(01-17-2015 04:53 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(01-17-2015 04:30 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Full cost-of-attendence financial aid passed 79-1.

Who was the 1? They might be my favorite P5 school.

Don't know. Guessing one of the private P5s.

Another thing that passed is the "D1 autonomy proposal guaranteeing that scholarships can't be reduced or canceled for athletics reasons".

That means that scholarships are 4 years, and can't be taken away if you find a better player. Most P5 and G5 schools aren't affected since they honored scholarships like this anyway even if the rules previously allowed them to act like scumbags. One conference that didn't was the SEC. This proposal is essentially a shot across the bow coming from the other P5 conferences.

(01-17-2015 04:53 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(01-17-2015 04:30 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Full cost-of-attendence financial aid passed 79-1.

Who was the 1? They might be my favorite P5 school.

I think it was Boston College.

(01-17-2015 05:55 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Another thing that passed is the "D1 autonomy proposal guaranteeing that scholarships can't be reduced or canceled for athletics reasons".

That means that scholarships are 4 years, and can't be taken away if you find a better player.

Hmmm. I am not fully in support of this, because what if "athletics reasons" is "no longer gives a shite and isn't performing?"

I've been on a team with these guys. Not fun.

(01-17-2015 09:32 PM)Doggone Wrote:  I think it was Boston College.

You are correct. It was BC.

BC released a statement late Saturday that said, in part, the school "is concerned with continuing to pass legislation that increases expenses when the vast majority of schools are already institutionally subsidized. The consequence of such legislation could ultimately hurt student-athletes if/when programs are cut. This legislation further segregates student-athletes from the general student population by increasing aid without need-based consideration. Legislation already exists for student-athletes in need through Pell grants and the student-assistance fund."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col.../21921073/

Kent State is at least "looking into" some things.

Akron's AD represented the MAC at the NCAA meetings.

Here's what he had to say about it:

Quote:… I was honored to represent Akron and the Mid-American Conference at the NCAA Convention in Washington, D.C., last week. The NCAA passed historic legislation of adopting the Cost of Attendance model. It will have a great impact on every Division I campus as we move forward to include the cost of attendance in our grant-in-aid. The MAC presidents unanimously endorsed this legislation at a MAC meeting last fall.

“The Mid-American Conference is dedicated to supporting our student-athletes in the classroom, the community and on the playing field with the ultimate goal of graduating and having a great collegiate experience. We will support the legislation that redefines an athletics grant-in-aid to include the cost of attendance,” said MAC Commissioner Dr. Jon Steinbrecher.

On campus, Dr. Scarborough and I have been in discussion on how we will fund this initiative which creates a "redefinition of a full grant-in-aid." This provision will allow for us to provide more dollars for our student-athletes to offset living expenses.

During the inaugural meeting of the NCAA Council, we spent our time setting up a structure to decide which topics we should tackle first. There are many topics we need to address. (Here's a starter list...name, image and likeness issues; division-wide sport committee administration and coordination; financial aid issues; the overall NCAA budget; championships; communication strategy; and the student-athlete experience.) Yes, we will be busy!

At one point, Texas was talking about 10 grand per athlete. Is there going to be a limit?

This is a coffin nail for amateur athletics at the inter collegiate level. Cost of attendance is a back door pay for play. As soon as you start this it doesn't ever stop. Schools and their supporters are competitive and will use whatever resources they have to do more than someone else. There can never be a "limit" with competition so intense and so many resources pouring in.

(01-23-2015 11:44 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  At one point, Texas was talking about 10 grand per athlete. Is there going to be a limit?

Yes. The Financial Aid Administrator at every institution has to come up with the Cost of Attendance "COA" for their respective institutions. Basically, you have a few different COA's -

* On-campus (in-state) Dependent Student
* On-campus (in-state) Independent Student
* On-campus (out-of-state) Dependent Student
* On-campus (out-of-state) Independent Student
* Off-campus (in-state) Dependent Student
* Off-campus (in-state) Independent Student
* Off-campus (out-of-state) Dependent Student
* Off-campus (out-of-state) Independent Student

Under federal guidelines, most college students under the age of 24 are considered DEPENDENT students, regardless of whether or not their parents are helping them pay the bill. An institution can use professional judgement to change this.

Cost of attendance is not just Tuition and fees, Room, and Board but you also add in other basic items -

* Books
* Transportation
* Laundry
* Fun money (because you know a student is not going to eat all 21 meals each week on-campus)

This is a number you report to the federal government and you use it when awarding financial aid.

So for a school that has a price tag of $18,000 (Tuition, Room, and Board), the Cost of Attendance could reasonably be $22,500 for an in-state dependent student.

As for the idea of the stipend, the P5 leagues are going to have to put a cap on what they will offer and then they are going to have to police themselves.

(01-23-2015 01:00 PM)Pulltown Falcon Wrote:  

(01-23-2015 11:44 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  At one point, Texas was talking about 10 grand per athlete. Is there going to be a limit?

Yes. The Financial Aid Administrator at every institution has to come up with the Cost of Attendance "COA" for their respective institutions. Basically, you have a few different COA's -

* On-campus (in-state) Dependent Student
* On-campus (in-state) Independent Student
* On-campus (out-of-state) Dependent Student
* On-campus (out-of-state) Independent Student
* Off-campus (in-state) Dependent Student
* Off-campus (in-state) Independent Student
* Off-campus (out-of-state) Dependent Student
* Off-campus (out-of-state) Independent Student

Under federal guidelines, most college students under the age of 24 are considered DEPENDENT students, regardless of whether or not their parents are helping them pay the bill. An institution can use professional judgement to change this.

Cost of attendance is not just Tuition and fees, Room, and Board but you also add in other basic items -

* Books
* Transportation
* Laundry
* Fun money (because you know a student is not going to eat all 21 meals each week on-campus)

This is a number you report to the federal government and you use it when awarding financial aid.

So for a school that has a price tag of $18,000 (Tuition, Room, and Board), the Cost of Attendance could reasonably be $22,500 for an in-state dependent student.

As for the idea of the stipend, the P5 leagues are going to have to put a cap on what they will offer and then they are going to have to police themselves.

No I don't think they'll put a cap on it due to the varying regional cost differences. As for policing themselves, well the IRS has a big role in that as anything scholarship over the COA amount becomes taxable.

(01-23-2015 12:48 PM)emsg06 Wrote:  This is a coffin nail for amateur athletics at the inter collegiate level. Cost of attendance is a back door pay for play. As soon as you start this it doesn't ever stop. Schools and their supporters are competitive and will use whatever resources they have to do more than someone else. There can never be a "limit" with competition so intense and so many resources pouring in.

I agree. It opens the floodgates. What might be a trickle now becomes Niagara Falls as the various schools find rationale to bump the COA up for their school.

(01-23-2015 12:48 PM)emsg06 Wrote:  This is a coffin nail for amateur athletics at the inter collegiate level. Cost of attendance is a back door pay for play.

No more than paying for books or meals.

Quote:As soon as you start this it doesn't ever stop. Schools and their supporters are competitive and will use whatever resources they have to do more than someone else. There can never be a "limit" with competition so intense and so many resources pouring in.

Except that FCA is defined by the school for *ALL* students and not for athletics. You can't raise FCS to 10K, take federal loans, and not have to answer some serious questions.

Want to throttle your USNAWR university ranking? Add 10K to your institutional FCA

(01-23-2015 03:41 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(01-23-2015 12:48 PM)emsg06 Wrote:  This is a coffin nail for amateur athletics at the inter collegiate level. Cost of attendance is a back door pay for play. As soon as you start this it doesn't ever stop. Schools and their supporters are competitive and will use whatever resources they have to do more than someone else. There can never be a "limit" with competition so intense and so many resources pouring in.

I agree. It opens the floodgates. What might be a trickle now becomes Niagara Falls as the various schools find rationale to bump the COA up for their school.

Except it's not that easy. You cant bump FCA high without hurting your school.