(01-14-2015 07:01 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 06:24 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 05:45 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  **** Suck, Mother ****
Eat a bog of ****
**** hair, ****** bag
Suck your mother's ***
We are the best college
All the others ****
Edgar Odell Lovett
Rah Rah ****

Yes, in 08 Lovett was the only one with a "banned" cheer. They started removing some of the others from the O-week teachings after that. This administration likes to treat students as children instead of supporting the student run culture Rice previously enjoyed.

??? Sounds like this cheer battle was around for only the past 10 - 15 years. Not exactly a long tradition.

When the institutional memory within the colleges is, at most, 4 years, 15 is an eternity.

And the reason it was cancelled was the PC brigade, not because it wasn't fun. Doesn't matter how new/old it was.

(01-14-2015 07:01 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 06:24 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 05:45 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  **** Suck, Mother ****
Eat a bog of ****
**** hair, ****** bag
Suck your mother's ***
We are the best college
All the others ****
Edgar Odell Lovett
Rah Rah ****

Yes, in 08 Lovett was the only one with a "banned" cheer. They started removing some of the others from the O-week teachings after that. This administration likes to treat students as children instead of supporting the student run culture Rice previously enjoyed.

??? Sounds like this cheer battle was around for only the past 10 - 15 years. Not exactly a long tradition.

I'm almost certain they were around when I was a student in 95'

Regardless, any alumni during that time certainly considers it an important part of the Rice experience.

The Thresher article is spot on.

(01-14-2015 08:03 PM)delconte4prez Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 07:01 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 06:24 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 05:45 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  **** Suck, Mother ****
Eat a bog of ****
**** hair, ****** bag
Suck your mother's ***
We are the best college
All the others ****
Edgar Odell Lovett
Rah Rah ****

Yes, in 08 Lovett was the only one with a "banned" cheer. They started removing some of the others from the O-week teachings after that. This administration likes to treat students as children instead of supporting the student run culture Rice previously enjoyed.

??? Sounds like this cheer battle was around for only the past 10 - 15 years. Not exactly a long tradition.

I'm almost certain they were around when I was a student in 95'

Regardless, any alumni during that time certainly considers it an important part of the Rice experience.

The Thresher article is spot on.

It was in general use by '78 when I got to Lovett. So it's over 35 years old.

(01-14-2015 08:20 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 08:03 PM)delconte4prez Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 07:01 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 06:24 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 05:45 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  **** Suck, Mother ****
Eat a bog of ****
**** hair, ****** bag
Suck your mother's ***
We are the best college
All the others ****
Edgar Odell Lovett
Rah Rah ****

Yes, in 08 Lovett was the only one with a "banned" cheer. They started removing some of the others from the O-week teachings after that. This administration likes to treat students as children instead of supporting the student run culture Rice previously enjoyed.

??? Sounds like this cheer battle was around for only the past 10 - 15 years. Not exactly a long tradition.

I'm almost certain they were around when I was a student in 95'

Regardless, any alumni during that time certainly considers it an important part of the Rice experience.

The Thresher article is spot on.

It was in general use by '78 when I got to Lovett. So it's over 35 years old.

??? Say what? I was in Baker from 1974 - '78, and there were no cheer battles, or anything that approximate them.

(01-14-2015 08:25 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 08:20 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 08:03 PM)delconte4prez Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 07:01 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 06:24 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  Yes, in 08 Lovett was the only one with a "banned" cheer. They started removing some of the others from the O-week teachings after that. This administration likes to treat students as children instead of supporting the student run culture Rice previously enjoyed.

??? Sounds like this cheer battle was around for only the past 10 - 15 years. Not exactly a long tradition.

I'm almost certain they were around when I was a student in 95'

Regardless, any alumni during that time certainly considers it an important part of the Rice experience.

The Thresher article is spot on.

It was in general use by '78 when I got to Lovett. So it's over 35 years old.

??? Say what? I was in Baker from 1974 - '78, and there were no cheer battles, or anything that approximate them.

Sorry, not the battle. I was referring to the Lovett Cheer I posted. It pre-dates the battles apparently that arose after our time.

(01-14-2015 08:27 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 08:25 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 08:20 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 08:03 PM)delconte4prez Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 07:01 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  ??? Sounds like this cheer battle was around for only the past 10 - 15 years. Not exactly a long tradition.

I'm almost certain they were around when I was a student in 95'

Regardless, any alumni during that time certainly considers it an important part of the Rice experience.

The Thresher article is spot on.

It was in general use by '78 when I got to Lovett. So it's over 35 years old.

??? Say what? I was in Baker from 1974 - '78, and there were no cheer battles, or anything that approximate them.

Sorry, not the battle. I was referring to the Lovett Cheer I posted. It pre-dates the battles apparently that arose after our time.

Gotcha.

I matriculated in 1993 and have no recollection of a cheer battle.

(01-14-2015 08:25 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  ??? Say what? I was in Baker from 1974 - '78, and there were no cheer battles, or anything that approximate them.

Whadayaknow, Walt. You were in Baker, too.

(01-14-2015 05:04 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  How long has the "cheer battle" been a part of O Week? It certainly was not around in the 1970s.

I matriculated in 1997 (Will Fuckin' Rice!) and was a co-advisor in 1998 (Brown $hit we're bad!) and there was definitely not a "cheer battle" in those years. So at most, this started happening within the last 15 years.

I'm not someone who swears a lot. I remember feeling somewhat uncomfortable when a bunch of Bakerites came over ~90 minutes into O-Week and started cheers, prompting the WRC advisors to break into chants of "Will Fuckin' Rice!, Will Fuckin' Rice!" while some lingering parents were still around. I felt particularly bad for the kids with lingering parents!

Without reading the Thresher article (because I'm both lazy and because I'm doing some work from home at 11:45 pm on a Wednesday ... not a good thing when the government doesn't pay overtime!), the idea that there would be a University-sanctioned event promoting these cheers seems ridiculous. By all means, it should be done during o-week. Just not an official o-week event sanctioned by the university itself.

(01-14-2015 04:28 PM)JSA Wrote:  We didn't have any organized "Cheer Battles" when I was an undergrad. If you wanted to yell "Hanszen sucks," you just shouted "Hanszen sucks."

HANZEN SUCKS

(01-14-2015 05:29 PM)smackdaddy Wrote:  I advised each year during my glorious reign on campus (early to mid 90's), and I don't ever recall an official "Cheer Battle." That said, every event devolved into screaming insults, er, "cheers" at the other colleges while calmly explaining why the college I was advising at that week was clearly superior. So it seems the chant rumble became official sometime between '95 and '07.

P.S. Jones is bad ass.

P.S. No, it is not.

(01-14-2015 05:45 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  **** Suck, Mother ****
Eat a bog of ****
**** hair, ****** bag
Suck your mother's ***
We are the best college
All the others ****
Edgar Odell Lovett
Rah Rah ****

B-.
The cheer has a very clear thesis, but the student seems to confuse mere colorful language for genuine insults. I'd like to see more creativity employed to provide further insight and really convince the listener.

(01-15-2015 02:38 AM)Philoso-Owl Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 05:45 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  **** Suck, Mother ****
Eat a bog of ****
**** hair, ****** bag
Suck your mother's ***
We are the best college
All the others ****
Edgar Odell Lovett
Rah Rah ****

B-.
The cheer has a very clear thesis, but the student seems to confuse mere colorful language for genuine insults. I'd like to see more creativity employed to provide further insight and really convince the listener.

Pray thee then to consume a considerable quantity of feces.
Despite its malodor you might find it to be surprisingly nutritive.

It is through this exercise that one may come to appreciate, relatively speaking, the appeal of finding, as one's abode, a structure bearing uncanny resemblance to a diminutive kitchen appliance.

(01-14-2015 05:22 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  ...I think the bigger issue Hutch is trying to combat is that this event basically forced people who didn't want to be around loud, rowdy people, to be surrounded by them...

I hope his view does not extend to the atmosphere in the student section at games, which are also university-sanctioned events. How awful it would be for a student to attend a game and be surrounded by people who are yelling!

I don't see the appeal of an organized cheer battle myself. Let the cheers flow forth spontaneously!

Speaking of which, it's 9:17 a.m. and Hanszen still sucks.

(01-15-2015 10:23 AM)Caelligh Wrote:  Speaking of which, it's 9:17 a.m. and Hanszen still sucks.

Also, 9:25 A.M and Hanszen still sucks.

(01-14-2015 08:03 PM)delconte4prez Wrote:  Regardless, any alumni during that time certainly considers it an important part of the Rice experience.

Sampling is imperfect, but one thing all of us can be fairly sure of is that our own circle of friends is almost never a representative sample. Among the folks I have talked to, some remember it as fun, some as not, but none have described it as all that important even within O-Week, much less within the Rice experience overall. But again, I don't claim that this sample (or any sample) is definitive.

(01-15-2015 10:29 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(01-15-2015 10:23 AM)Caelligh Wrote:  Speaking of which, it's 9:17 a.m. and Hanszen still sucks.

Also, 9:25 A.M and Hanszen still sucks.

10:02 reporting in. Hanszen still sucks. More news as it develops.

(01-15-2015 12:54 AM)mrbig Wrote:  I felt particularly bad for the kids with lingering parents!

This comment prompts me to relate an interesting observation I have heard from several Masters and also from Dean Hutchinson in the last several years: it has become harder and harder to get the damn parents to leave after their kids are checked in. Many want to hang around the college most of the day and follow their kids from one activity to the next. Some want to stay overnight or even for a couple of days. Of necessity, the Masters and RAs have become quite good at deflecting that enthusiasm (shall we say), and the Dean's office and O-Week staff have created some parent-oriented events on the first day to help shunt the parents away from the colleges.

To someone who has been a close observer of student life for about a quarter of a century, this has been one of the more bizarre trends.

(01-15-2015 12:54 AM)mrbig Wrote:  ...the idea that there would be a University-sanctioned event promoting these cheers seems ridiculous. By all means, it should be done during o-week. Just not an official o-week event sanctioned by the university itself.

Given what many of the current cheers are, this point makes a great deal of sense.

(01-14-2015 05:22 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  ...I think the bigger issue Hutch is trying to combat is that this event basically forced people who didn't want to be around loud, rowdy people, to be surrounded by them...

I suspect that overstates the case. The principal perceived flaw in the current O-Week "cheer battle" seems to be not that it involves yelling, but that many (perhaps most) of the colleges are too moronic to have cheers that aren't pointlessly profane.






Team Wiess.

(01-15-2015 11:17 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(01-15-2015 12:54 AM)mrbig Wrote:  ...the idea that there would be a University-sanctioned event promoting these cheers seems ridiculous. By all means, it should be done during o-week. Just not an official o-week event sanctioned by the university itself.

Given what many of the current cheers are, this point makes a great deal of sense.

(01-14-2015 05:22 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  ...I think the bigger issue Hutch is trying to combat is that this event basically forced people who didn't want to be around loud, rowdy people, to be surrounded by them...

I suspect that overstates the case. The principal perceived flaw in the current O-Week "cheer battle" seems to be not that it involves yelling, but that many (perhaps most) of the colleges are too moronic to have cheers that aren't pointlessly profane.






Team Wiess.

While you're right that the cheers are "pointlessly profane" at times, that is not the impetus for the change, IMO. That was the impetus for banning/changing specific cheers during O-week was the said profanity. Removing the university sponsored event is because they do not want students to be in a situation that makes them uncomfortable.

I advised during the transition from using any cheer and only some of them, and, for the most part, the cheers we were told we couldn't cheer weren't used.

(01-15-2015 11:09 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(01-15-2015 12:54 AM)mrbig Wrote:  I felt particularly bad for the kids with lingering parents!

This comment prompts me to relate an interesting observation I have heard from several Masters and also from Dean Hutchinson in the last several years: it has become harder and harder to get the damn parents to leave after their kids are checked in. Many want to hang around the college most of the day and follow their kids from one activity to the next. Some want to stay overnight or even for a couple of days. Of necessity, the Masters and RAs have become quite good at deflecting that enthusiasm (shall we say), and the Dean's office and O-Week staff have created some parent-oriented events on the first day to help shunt the parents away from the colleges.

To someone who has been a close observer of student life for about a quarter of a century, this has been one of the more bizarre trends.

Helicopter parents http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/paren...-students/