(01-14-2015 12:05 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:00 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  Semenov, Wells, Moore and Diouf are the only significant players that come to mind that have stayed with Brady for their entire eligibility. That is pathetic when you coach a program that does not produce NBA players.

I do agre with the first part of that statement. However, not gonna get on Brady for not producing NBA players ----- when has JMU ever really produced NBA players, come-on now.

You missed my point. Programs such as Kentucky may have similar full eligibility track records but that is due to 1 or 2 and dones. By no means was i indicating that Brady or any coach at Mid Majors should be producing NBA players.


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(01-14-2015 12:05 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:00 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  Semenov, Wells, Moore and Diouf are the only significant players that come to mind that have stayed with Brady for their entire eligibility. That is pathetic when you coach a program that does not produce NBA players.

I do agre with the first part of that statement. However, not gonna get on Brady for not producing NBA players ----- when has JMU ever really produced NBA players, come-on now.

Don't think he's saying that. Only that for a program that's not bringing in a bunch of one and dones, there's not much excuse for the number of players that can't make it to graduation, or at least through 4 years of eligibility.

I can't disagree with that, a transfer here and there is normal and to be expected fora whole variety of reasons. Losing entire classes, one after another, is getting a bit ridiculous. Especially when we aren't a real good team to begin with.

What a drama-schit show.

(01-14-2015 12:05 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:00 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  Semenov, Wells, Moore and Diouf are the only significant players that come to mind that have stayed with Brady for their entire eligibility. That is pathetic when you coach a program that does not produce NBA players.

I do agre with the first part of that statement. However, not gonna get on Brady for not producing NBA players ----- when has JMU ever really produced NBA players, come-on now.

Bowles was a NBA Talent and had many workouts. With Basketball its more noticeable, JMU womens team just had two players leave last year. Personalities clash sometime.

(01-14-2015 12:09 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:05 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:00 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  Semenov, Wells, Moore and Diouf are the only significant players that come to mind that have stayed with Brady for their entire eligibility. That is pathetic when you coach a program that does not produce NBA players.

I do agre with the first part of that statement. However, not gonna get on Brady for not producing NBA players ----- when has JMU ever really produced NBA players, come-on now.

You missed my point. Programs such as Kentucky may have similar full eligibility track records but that is due to 1 or 2 and dones. By no means was i indicating that Brady or any coach at Mid Majors should be producing NBA players.


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ok , gotcha. i took it the other way.

Hey Hburg, can we just merge all of these "nation is suspended for the 47th time" threads? They're really starting to spam our message boards.

(01-14-2015 12:10 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:05 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 12:00 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  Semenov, Wells, Moore and Diouf are the only significant players that come to mind that have stayed with Brady for their entire eligibility. That is pathetic when you coach a program that does not produce NBA players.

I do agre with the first part of that statement. However, not gonna get on Brady for not producing NBA players ----- when has JMU ever really produced NBA players, come-on now.

Bowles was a NBA Talent and had many workouts. With Basketball its more noticeable, JMU womens team just had two players leave last year. Personalities clash sometime.

I get personality clashes happen from time to time and players will occassionally leave......but the rate they leave JMU MBB program over the last few years is quite alarming and has got to be a red flag that there is a serious problem with the program in general.

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I have been so disinterested in MBB this year that I wouldn't recognize any of the new players in a line-up. I haven't watched one second of them this year. That last Nation suspension in the fall just killed it for me.

So much potential lost from that tournament team with 3 talented freshmen, gone...gone... We were supposed to be unstoppable this year and the next. Now we suck again.

After all the second chances and drama sure would be interesting to know what finally did the trick.

In the end the College coach is always right , have to at least try to maintain balance with thw HC in college.

I would like to know too. You don't just get rid of the league's best defender. There had to be some public respect issues in front of teammates.
For sure it is a maturity issue.

This sucks for the team and it sucks for Nation. Lose- Lose.
But he had more than enough chances.

I agree that there have been far too many transfers out of the program- more than other programs- and that Brady is accountable for this whatever the reason for the bad fit with the player and the program . Brady will probably end up losing his job over this and probably should but from a standpoint of the team the remainder of this year and next this was the right move.

Nation hasn't really progressed as a player on the court, you could say he has regressed, he hasn't shown any leadership and I am interested to see how the other players respond to not having him around. I think it will wind up being a positive in terms of the teams overall performance. This team in recent weeks has looked like a 10-8 18 win regular season team that needs everything to break right to win 3 games in a row in March to advance to the NCAAs. I don't think minus Nation that changes. They needed to move on whether its Brady at the helm next year or someone else it hadn't clicked for Nation and it wouldn't have made sense to keep him around the program into another offseason. I think Curry could play better become a better leader, Grays could step up- the younger guys could step up, etc. I don't think the train will go completely off the rails with Nation out and if you were going to do it now is the time so that the remaining team can gel the rest of the regular season. Probably still a mediocre team which none of us are happy about but they unfortunately had to turn the page.

(01-14-2015 11:45 AM)DukeDoggyDogg Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:37 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Yup, looks like that problem has been taken care of. Brady's inability to retain players is a HUGE issue. IMO that issue is enough reason to replace him.

These are his players, that he recruited and brought in. He knew exactly who they were when he was recruting them. The number of players leaving the program is ridiculous.

I totally agree with you. Just wait for the honks on here to tekll you how often this happens across the country blah blah blah... it happens every year with every class and oh BTW, usually it happens with our best player. people will give you a million reasons why Darren White "didnt fit" or its not the coaches responsibility to keep players academically viable and i know some on this list had their own reasons, but...

Players Left/Players with "MB Issues"

Taylor Bessick
Darren White
Trevon Flores
Charles Cooke
Andre Nation
Enoch Hood
Keynan Pittman
Chad Jackson
Heiden Ratner
Scooter Renkin


AJ Davis
Denzel Bowles

Feel free to add to the list i know I am forgetting some.

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(01-14-2015 01:19 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:45 AM)DukeDoggyDogg Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:37 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Yup, looks like that problem has been taken care of. Brady's inability to retain players is a HUGE issue. IMO that issue is enough reason to replace him.

These are his players, that he recruited and brought in. He knew exactly who they were when he was recruting them. The number of players leaving the program is ridiculous.

I totally agree with you. Just wait for the honks on here to tekll you how often this happens across the country blah blah blah... it happens every year with every class and oh BTW, usually it happens with our best player. people will give you a million reasons why Darren White "didnt fit" or its not the coaches responsibility to keep players academically viable and i know some on this list had their own reasons, but...

Players Left/Players with "MB Issues"

Taylor Bessick
Darren White
Trevon Flores
Charles Cooke
Andre Nation
Enoch Hood
Keynan Pittman
Chad Jackson
Heiden Ratner
Scooter Renkin


AJ Davis
Denzel Bowles

Feel free to add to the list i know I am forgetting some.

LOL i thought about including Ratner but he was sort of pushed out and ended up being a good player on a D2 team if i remember correctly.

Now back to bashing Brady!

i bet the team ends up playing better the rest of the year.

look what happened with the Detroit Pistons when they kicked off Josh Smith. I'm not saying we'll have that dramatic a turnaround, but I see this as a negative for Nation and for Brady but a net positive for the TEAM.

is it really that difficult to see what did the trick?

just watch him on the court. indifferent play. terrible body language. it's clear to me he doesn't want to be a part of the team and even be at JMU, I believe.

(01-14-2015 01:07 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  I agree that there have been far too many transfers out of the program- more than other programs- and that Brady is accountable for this whatever the reason for the bad fit with the player and the program . Brady will probably end up losing his job over this and probably should but from a standpoint of the team the remainder of this year and next this was the right move.

Nation hasn't really progressed as a player on the court, you could say he has regressed, he hasn't shown any leadership and I am interested to see how the other players respond to not having him around. I think it will wind up being a positive in terms of the teams overall performance. This team in recent weeks has looked like a 10-8 18 win regular season team that needs everything to break right to win 3 games in a row in March to advance to the NCAAs. I don't think minus Nation that changes. They needed to move on whether its Brady at the helm next year or someone else it hadn't clicked for Nation and it wouldn't have made sense to keep him around the program into another offseason. I think Curry could play better become a better leader, Grays could step up- the younger guys could step up, etc. I don't think the train will go completely off the rails with Nation out and if you were going to do it now is the time so that the remaining team can gel the rest of the regular season. Probably still a mediocre team which none of us are happy about but they unfortunately had to turn the page.

Agreed. It is depressing to lose our best 1 on 1 defender and a guy who seemed to have so much potential a couple of years ago, but it doesn't seem like he was contributing much to this year's team.

Good luck Andre. I hope you get yourself together and find success somewhere else.

(01-14-2015 01:58 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i bet the team ends up playing better the rest of the year.

i wouldn't be surprised at this, either.