(01-14-2015 01:44 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  Keep the 4-team format. There will always be a controversy over which team belonged whether it's 4, 6 or 8 teams. However, it is much better than the BS wrt the old Bowl Alliance, never mind the BCS. People seriously arguing for AP vs Coaches Polls. That is the type of arrogance that turned a lot of people off of college football.

Now my fear is that there would be too much pressure to expand, thereby overextending the wear and tear on the football players and becoming NFL-lite. The NFL announcing another playoff expansion is a complete joke.

I hope they never go beyond 4 spots but suspect they might go to 6 once the contract ends.

And unlike the NFL they only get Books, Board, Food and the opportunity to get a Degree...while that is noteworthy it is still a huge strain on the Human Body.

(01-13-2015 01:25 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The committee had to decide do you leave out an undefeated champion even if it's crystal clear that the team is more lucky than they are good?

That's a tough call admittedly.

Luck IS a HUGE part of CFB

Just some recent examples:
2007 Missouri doesn't lose for the 2nd time to OU and its Missouri-Ohio St. for the title. LSU gets no shot.
2008 Texas takes one more play to score vs. TT and its Texas-Florida for the title (possibly even a Texas-OU rematch)
2009 Alabama player doesn't hit Colt McCoy in the same spot a KSU player hit him in 2006 and he stays in and perhaps Texas wins title
2010 Alabama player doesn't get sloppy running back a turnover at the end of the 1st half and Alabama gets an insurmountable lead over Auburn and its Oregon-TCU for the title while Auburn gets no shot.
2011 Any number of things could have changed this matchup to LSU-Oklahoma St. and Alabama gets no shot.
2012 Georgia could have managed their time better in SEC ccg and it might have been UGA-Notre Dame-or an unlucky bounce for Notre Dame in any of 3 games and its Alabama-Florida.
2013 Ohio St. beats MSU and Auburn doesn't get its shot vs. FSU-its FSU-OSU. Or the Alabama FG could have been good or Auburn player tackled and its Alabama-FSU.
2014 one of two PI/no PI calls go the other way in the TCU-Baylor game and Ohio St. doesn't get a shot. TCU is probably in as #1.

(01-14-2015 11:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 01:25 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The committee had to decide do you leave out an undefeated champion even if it's crystal clear that the team is more lucky than they are good?

That's a tough call admittedly.

Luck IS a HUGE part of CFB

Just some recent examples:
2007 Missouri doesn't lose for the 2nd time to OU and its Missouri-Ohio St. for the title. LSU gets no shot.
2008 Texas takes one more play to score vs. TT and its Texas-Florida for the title (possibly even a Texas-OU rematch)
2009 Alabama player doesn't hit Colt McCoy in the same spot a KSU player hit him in 2006 and he stays in and perhaps Texas wins title
2010 Alabama player doesn't get sloppy running back a turnover at the end of the 1st half and Alabama gets an insurmountable lead over Auburn and its Oregon-TCU for the title while Auburn gets no shot.
2011 Any number of things could have changed this matchup to LSU-Oklahoma St. and Alabama gets no shot.
2012 Georgia could have managed their time better in SEC ccg and it might have been UGA-Notre Dame-or an unlucky bounce for Notre Dame in any of 3 games and its Alabama-Florida.
2013 Ohio St. beats MSU and Auburn doesn't get its shot vs. FSU-its FSU-OSU. Or the Alabama FG could have been good or Auburn player tackled and its Alabama-FSU.
2014 one of two PI/no PI calls go the other way in the TCU-Baylor game and Ohio St. doesn't get a shot. TCU is probably in as #1.

A few of those things- wouldn't change anything. 2010- Auburn would still have gone to the SEC title game- and I'm sorry but I think still a 1 loss SEC champion would have gone in over an undefeated MWC team.

(01-14-2015 11:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 01:25 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The committee had to decide do you leave out an undefeated champion even if it's crystal clear that the team is more lucky than they are good?

That's a tough call admittedly.

Luck IS a HUGE part of CFB

Just some recent examples:
2007 Missouri doesn't lose for the 2nd time to OU and its Missouri-Ohio St. for the title. LSU gets no shot.
2008 Texas takes one more play to score vs. TT and its Texas-Florida for the title (possibly even a Texas-OU rematch)
2009 Alabama player doesn't hit Colt McCoy in the same spot a KSU player hit him in 2006 and he stays in and perhaps Texas wins title
2010 Alabama player doesn't get sloppy running back a turnover at the end of the 1st half and Alabama gets an insurmountable lead over Auburn and its Oregon-TCU for the title while Auburn gets no shot.
2011 Any number of things could have changed this matchup to LSU-Oklahoma St. and Alabama gets no shot.
2012 Georgia could have managed their time better in SEC ccg and it might have been UGA-Notre Dame-or an unlucky bounce for Notre Dame in any of 3 games and its Alabama-Florida.
2013 Ohio St. beats MSU and Auburn doesn't get its shot vs. FSU-its FSU-OSU. Or the Alabama FG could have been good or Auburn player tackled and its Alabama-FSU.
2014 one of two PI/no PI calls go the other way in the TCU-Baylor game and Ohio St. doesn't get a shot. TCU is probably in as #1.

A few of those things- wouldn't change anything. 2010- Auburn would still have gone to the SEC title game- and I'm sorry but I think still a 1 loss SEC champion would have gone in over an undefeated MWC team.

TCU was pretty highly regarded that year. They started very high in the polls. They were #3 in all the polls and were comfortably ahead of 11-1 Stanford, Ohio St., Wisconsin and Michigan St. Auburn wasn't expected to be as good as they were that year. TCU would have been in ahead of Auburn and it wouldn't have been any closer than TCU/Wisconsin (Big 10 champ).

(01-14-2015 01:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 01:25 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The committee had to decide do you leave out an undefeated champion even if it's crystal clear that the team is more lucky than they are good?

That's a tough call admittedly.

Luck IS a HUGE part of CFB

Just some recent examples:
2007 Missouri doesn't lose for the 2nd time to OU and its Missouri-Ohio St. for the title. LSU gets no shot.
2008 Texas takes one more play to score vs. TT and its Texas-Florida for the title (possibly even a Texas-OU rematch)
2009 Alabama player doesn't hit Colt McCoy in the same spot a KSU player hit him in 2006 and he stays in and perhaps Texas wins title
2010 Alabama player doesn't get sloppy running back a turnover at the end of the 1st half and Alabama gets an insurmountable lead over Auburn and its Oregon-TCU for the title while Auburn gets no shot.
2011 Any number of things could have changed this matchup to LSU-Oklahoma St. and Alabama gets no shot.
2012 Georgia could have managed their time better in SEC ccg and it might have been UGA-Notre Dame-or an unlucky bounce for Notre Dame in any of 3 games and its Alabama-Florida.
2013 Ohio St. beats MSU and Auburn doesn't get its shot vs. FSU-its FSU-OSU. Or the Alabama FG could have been good or Auburn player tackled and its Alabama-FSU.
2014 one of two PI/no PI calls go the other way in the TCU-Baylor game and Ohio St. doesn't get a shot. TCU is probably in as #1.

A few of those things- wouldn't change anything. 2010- Auburn would still have gone to the SEC title game- and I'm sorry but I think still a 1 loss SEC champion would have gone in over an undefeated MWC team.

TCU was pretty highly regarded that year. They started very high in the polls. They were #3 in all the polls and were comfortably ahead of 11-1 Stanford, Ohio St., Wisconsin and Michigan St. Auburn wasn't expected to be as good as they were that year. TCU would have been in ahead of Auburn and it wouldn't have been any closer than TCU/Wisconsin (Big 10 champ).

I think Auburn would have been ahead of TCU in all of the computers. With that- TCU would have had to get far enough ahead of Auburn in the polls to make that up. Just don't see that.

(01-14-2015 01:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 01:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2015 01:25 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The committee had to decide do you leave out an undefeated champion even if it's crystal clear that the team is more lucky than they are good?

That's a tough call admittedly.

Luck IS a HUGE part of CFB

Just some recent examples:
2007 Missouri doesn't lose for the 2nd time to OU and its Missouri-Ohio St. for the title. LSU gets no shot.
2008 Texas takes one more play to score vs. TT and its Texas-Florida for the title (possibly even a Texas-OU rematch)
2009 Alabama player doesn't hit Colt McCoy in the same spot a KSU player hit him in 2006 and he stays in and perhaps Texas wins title
2010 Alabama player doesn't get sloppy running back a turnover at the end of the 1st half and Alabama gets an insurmountable lead over Auburn and its Oregon-TCU for the title while Auburn gets no shot.
2011 Any number of things could have changed this matchup to LSU-Oklahoma St. and Alabama gets no shot.
2012 Georgia could have managed their time better in SEC ccg and it might have been UGA-Notre Dame-or an unlucky bounce for Notre Dame in any of 3 games and its Alabama-Florida.
2013 Ohio St. beats MSU and Auburn doesn't get its shot vs. FSU-its FSU-OSU. Or the Alabama FG could have been good or Auburn player tackled and its Alabama-FSU.
2014 one of two PI/no PI calls go the other way in the TCU-Baylor game and Ohio St. doesn't get a shot. TCU is probably in as #1.

A few of those things- wouldn't change anything. 2010- Auburn would still have gone to the SEC title game- and I'm sorry but I think still a 1 loss SEC champion would have gone in over an undefeated MWC team.

TCU was pretty highly regarded that year. They started very high in the polls. They were #3 in all the polls and were comfortably ahead of 11-1 Stanford, Ohio St., Wisconsin and Michigan St. Auburn wasn't expected to be as good as they were that year. TCU would have been in ahead of Auburn and it wouldn't have been any closer than TCU/Wisconsin (Big 10 champ).

I think Auburn would have been ahead of TCU in all of the computers. With that- TCU would have had to get far enough ahead of Auburn in the polls to make that up. Just don't see that.

TCU was 3rd in 4 of the 7 computers, 4th behind OU in one and 4th behind Arkansas in another and 7th in the other (lowest one dropped). Since they were ahead of every 1 loss team in 6 systems and only two had them below anybody with a loss (2 loss teams in those two), I don't think Auburn would have been ahead of them in the computers either.

Note that Auburn didn't pass TCU in the polls until week 8. TCU started the season #6 and was 4th or better from week 6 on. Boise got as high as #2 and still had 10 1st place votes in week 12 before they got upset by Nevada.

ESPN and the media's SEC worship was not as strong in 2010. It wasn't until Auburn won that year that it really took off.

(01-14-2015 03:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 01:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 01:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:35 AM)bullet Wrote:  Just some recent examples:
2007 Missouri doesn't lose for the 2nd time to OU and its Missouri-Ohio St. for the title. LSU gets no shot.
2008 Texas takes one more play to score vs. TT and its Texas-Florida for the title (possibly even a Texas-OU rematch)
2009 Alabama player doesn't hit Colt McCoy in the same spot a KSU player hit him in 2006 and he stays in and perhaps Texas wins title
2010 Alabama player doesn't get sloppy running back a turnover at the end of the 1st half and Alabama gets an insurmountable lead over Auburn and its Oregon-TCU for the title while Auburn gets no shot.
2011 Any number of things could have changed this matchup to LSU-Oklahoma St. and Alabama gets no shot.
2012 Georgia could have managed their time better in SEC ccg and it might have been UGA-Notre Dame-or an unlucky bounce for Notre Dame in any of 3 games and its Alabama-Florida.
2013 Ohio St. beats MSU and Auburn doesn't get its shot vs. FSU-its FSU-OSU. Or the Alabama FG could have been good or Auburn player tackled and its Alabama-FSU.
2014 one of two PI/no PI calls go the other way in the TCU-Baylor game and Ohio St. doesn't get a shot. TCU is probably in as #1.

A few of those things- wouldn't change anything. 2010- Auburn would still have gone to the SEC title game- and I'm sorry but I think still a 1 loss SEC champion would have gone in over an undefeated MWC team.

TCU was pretty highly regarded that year. They started very high in the polls. They were #3 in all the polls and were comfortably ahead of 11-1 Stanford, Ohio St., Wisconsin and Michigan St. Auburn wasn't expected to be as good as they were that year. TCU would have been in ahead of Auburn and it wouldn't have been any closer than TCU/Wisconsin (Big 10 champ).

I think Auburn would have been ahead of TCU in all of the computers. With that- TCU would have had to get far enough ahead of Auburn in the polls to make that up. Just don't see that.

TCU was 3rd in 4 of the 7 computers, 4th behind OU in one and 4th behind Arkansas in another and 7th in the other (lowest one dropped). Since they were ahead of every 1 loss team in 6 systems and only two had them below anybody with a loss (2 loss teams in those two), I don't think Auburn would have been ahead of them in the computers either.

Auburn had 5 top 20 wins that year(not counting Alabama). TCU had 2 top 30 wins. Auburn would have been ahead of TCU easily in the computers. There were 6 computers that year. TCU was 3rd in 3, 4th in 2, and 7th in the other. The question quite frankly is would Auburn have been ahead of Oregon in a computer or two. It's possible.

(01-14-2015 03:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 01:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 01:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 11:49 AM)stever20 Wrote:  A few of those things- wouldn't change anything. 2010- Auburn would still have gone to the SEC title game- and I'm sorry but I think still a 1 loss SEC champion would have gone in over an undefeated MWC team.

TCU was pretty highly regarded that year. They started very high in the polls. They were #3 in all the polls and were comfortably ahead of 11-1 Stanford, Ohio St., Wisconsin and Michigan St. Auburn wasn't expected to be as good as they were that year. TCU would have been in ahead of Auburn and it wouldn't have been any closer than TCU/Wisconsin (Big 10 champ).

I think Auburn would have been ahead of TCU in all of the computers. With that- TCU would have had to get far enough ahead of Auburn in the polls to make that up. Just don't see that.

TCU was 3rd in 4 of the 7 computers, 4th behind OU in one and 4th behind Arkansas in another and 7th in the other (lowest one dropped). Since they were ahead of every 1 loss team in 6 systems and only two had them below anybody with a loss (2 loss teams in those two), I don't think Auburn would have been ahead of them in the computers either.

Auburn had 5 top 20 wins that year(not counting Alabama). TCU had 2 top 30 wins. Auburn would have been ahead of TCU easily in the computers. There were 6 computers that year. TCU was 3rd in 3, 4th in 2, and 7th in the other. The question quite frankly is would Auburn have been ahead of Oregon in a computer or two. It's possible.

Well, we can't know, but the computers take losses pretty strongly into account.

(01-14-2015 04:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 03:37 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 01:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-14-2015 01:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  TCU was pretty highly regarded that year. They started very high in the polls. They were #3 in all the polls and were comfortably ahead of 11-1 Stanford, Ohio St., Wisconsin and Michigan St. Auburn wasn't expected to be as good as they were that year. TCU would have been in ahead of Auburn and it wouldn't have been any closer than TCU/Wisconsin (Big 10 champ).

I think Auburn would have been ahead of TCU in all of the computers. With that- TCU would have had to get far enough ahead of Auburn in the polls to make that up. Just don't see that.

TCU was 3rd in 4 of the 7 computers, 4th behind OU in one and 4th behind Arkansas in another and 7th in the other (lowest one dropped). Since they were ahead of every 1 loss team in 6 systems and only two had them below anybody with a loss (2 loss teams in those two), I don't think Auburn would have been ahead of them in the computers either.

Auburn had 5 top 20 wins that year(not counting Alabama). TCU had 2 top 30 wins. Auburn would have been ahead of TCU easily in the computers. There were 6 computers that year. TCU was 3rd in 3, 4th in 2, and 7th in the other. The question quite frankly is would Auburn have been ahead of Oregon in a computer or two. It's possible.

Well, we can't know, but the computers take losses pretty strongly into account.

TCU was already behind in 3 of the computers 2 loss teams. Reasonable to say that Auburn would have been ahead of them still in there, even with a loss. In the other 3 computers- also reasonable to suggest that in 2 of the 3, Auburn would be ahead of them. So yeah- think Auburn would have been ahead of TCU in the computers by at least 1 spot. Means that TCU would have had to have a pretty big lead in both polls to get it. Don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell of that happening.