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RE: Game Day (A Day Early): @ Kent State
I remember the game was competitive but got a little out of reach at the end. So Brian Tolbert had to foul and fouled out after playing an incredible game. With his college career now over, Tolbert demostrates utmost class by shaking the hands of his opponent on the court and heads back to the bench with quiet dignity. Jim Calhoun walks toward the EMU bench calling over Tolbert (keep in mind the game is still going on). Calhoun proceeds to give Tolbert a GIGANTIC bear hug. That is respect!!
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RE: Game Day (A Day Early): @ Kent State
(01-17-2015 10:04 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(01-17-2015 09:55 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  
(01-17-2015 03:55 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-16-2015 11:21 PM)rayEMU Wrote:  
(01-16-2015 10:55 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Let's not compare the two programs please. The football team was not competitive and would get killed by Michigan...the basketball team is very competitive and beat Michigan. The Michigan basketball team is better than the Michigan football team, so you can see the difference between EMU basketball and EMU football are light years apart. They deserve some respect.

Well said...

Amen.

Basketball loses heartbreakers in OT (e.g., BSU and MIA), or late in the game (vs. Dayton).

Too many FB games are decided in the first quarter, sometimes early in the first quarter.

Too say that FB was 1 - 7 in conference and the men are 0 - 3 and that that both are bad.

I'm thinking of 'false equivalency'.

We're this || close to being a very good hoops team; we are miles from being a good football team (which has never beaten a P5 conference team while hoops has beaten Mississippi State, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Duke, Michigan, Syracuse, Cal Berkley, Purdue, Michigan, etc. - all off the top of my head since I have been following them - 1991).

EDIT: We did not play Notre Dame in the 1991 NCAA tourney. We beat Penn State.

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RE: Game Day (A Day Early): @ Kent State
(01-17-2015 03:55 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-16-2015 11:21 PM)rayEMU Wrote:  
(01-16-2015 10:55 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(01-16-2015 06:22 PM)HuronRob Wrote:  
(01-15-2015 08:43 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Time to cue up this song?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCZFkFHlyE4

The fellas sure did look like world beaters before the MAC season started, didn't they?

Frustration in football and basketball. So much for the two big programs in collegiate athletics.
Let's not compare the two programs please. The football team was not competitive and would get killed by Michigan...the basketball team is very competitive and beat Michigan. The Michigan basketball team is better than the Michigan football team, so you can see the difference between EMU basketball and EMU football are light years apart. They deserve some respect.

Well said...

Amen.

Basketball loses heartbreakers in OT (e.g., BSU and MIA), or late in the game (vs. Dayton).

Too many FB games are decided in the first quarter, sometimes early in the first quarter.

Too say that FB was 1 - 7 in conference and the men are 0 - 3 and that that both are bad.

I'm thinking of 'false equivalency'.

We're this || close to being a very good hoops team; we are miles from being a good football team (which has never beaten a P5 conference team while hoops has beaten Mississippi State, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Duke, Michigan, Syracuse, Cal Berkley, Purdue, Michigan, etc. - all off the top of my head since I have been following them - 1991).

EDIT: We did not play Notre Dame in the 1991 NCAA tourney. We beat Penn State.

It isn't a false equivalency. The basketball team entered MAC play at 11-2 and promptly went 0-3. So much for that out of conference schedule. The football team was supposed to have a new attitude, with a new and improved product on the field and the results were the same as they've been the past few years - continued blowouts throughout the season. No equivalency - two poor and under performing programs that had higher expectations when their seasons began.

Yeah, the season isn't over but the equivalency is poor performance period. You guys touted this EMU basketball team as being very good and it has proven itself to be mediocre, at best, up to this point. You can have all the talent in the world but if you don't play as a team and you lose games you should win, who cares if that loss is by 1 or 100, you are not a good team.

I see you guys making a LOT of excuses for this team and that's sad because you really need to face reality. The fact of the matter is this, EMU played a pretty easy pre-MAC schedule and hasn't beaten a quality team all season. Even beating NIU today was to be expected because NIU isn't a very good team. Honestly, you are such a homer that you can't even see that this team isn't very good. Sorry to be so blunt but it's the truth.
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RE: Game Day (A Day Early): @ Kent State
(01-16-2015 10:55 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(01-16-2015 06:22 PM)HuronRob Wrote:  
(01-15-2015 08:43 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Time to cue up this song?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCZFkFHlyE4

The fellas sure did look like world beaters before the MAC season started, didn't they?

Frustration in football and basketball. So much for the two big programs in collegiate athletics.
Let's not compare the two programs please. The football team was not competitive and would get killed by Michigan...the basketball team is very competitive and beat Michigan. The Michigan basketball team is better than the Michigan football team, so you can see the difference between EMU basketball and EMU football are light years apart. They deserve some respect.

Michigan is NOT a good basketball program right now so please stop hanging your hat on *that* win. Very pathetic.
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Rob, you have to read what I write before you can argue my position. No one is saying Michigan is great. However, my argument is that U-M has a BETTER basketball team than their football team and EMU beat U-M in basketball. Would EMU beat Michigan in football? No they would likely lose 60-7 or thereabouts. Also, my point is that while EMU has lost 3 games in MAC play, it was by a combined 8 points, with 2 OT losses. Not wins, but very close, competitive games. How many football games were competitive in MAC play? Also, before you say Michigan sucks this year in basketball, the reality is that they are 3-2 in Big 10 play and with a victory tonight against Northwestern, they will be 4-2. Not too bad, right?

You would be thrilled if EMU football was 1-3 in MAC play with all the games close and competitive with no blowouts. Why do you have a different standard for the basketball team? Especially since Eastern will end MAC play with a winning record--and a winning record in MAC play for the football team is something that hasn't been accomplished in what 20 years? Embrace the basketball team, they are so much better than the football team has been.
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RE: Game Day (A Day Early): @ Kent State
(01-17-2015 06:11 PM)HuronRob Wrote:  
(01-17-2015 03:55 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-16-2015 11:21 PM)rayEMU Wrote:  
(01-16-2015 10:55 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(01-16-2015 06:22 PM)HuronRob Wrote:  The fellas sure did look like world beaters before the MAC season started, didn't they?

Frustration in football and basketball. So much for the two big programs in collegiate athletics.
Let's not compare the two programs please. The football team was not competitive and would get killed by Michigan...the basketball team is very competitive and beat Michigan. The Michigan basketball team is better than the Michigan football team, so you can see the difference between EMU basketball and EMU football are light years apart. They deserve some respect.

Well said...

Amen.

Basketball loses heartbreakers in OT (e.g., BSU and MIA), or late in the game (vs. Dayton).

Too many FB games are decided in the first quarter, sometimes early in the first quarter.

Too say that FB was 1 - 7 in conference and the men are 0 - 3 and that that both are bad.

I'm thinking of 'false equivalency'.

We're this || close to being a very good hoops team; we are miles from being a good football team (which has never beaten a P5 conference team while hoops has beaten Mississippi State, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Duke, Michigan, Syracuse, Cal Berkley, Purdue, Michigan, etc. - all off the top of my head since I have been following them - 1991).

EDIT: We did not play Notre Dame in the 1991 NCAA tourney. We beat Penn State.

It isn't a false equivalency. The basketball team entered MAC play at 11-2 and promptly went 0-3. So much for that out of conference schedule. The football team was supposed to have a new attitude, with a new and improved product on the field and the results were the same as they've been the past few years - continued blowouts throughout the season. No equivalency - two poor and under performing programs that had higher expectations when their seasons began.

Yeah, the season isn't over but the equivalency is poor performance period. You guys touted this EMU basketball team as being very good and it has proven itself to be mediocre, at best, up to this point. You can have all the talent in the world but if you don't play as a team and you lose games you should win, who cares if that loss is by 1 or 100, you are not a good team.

I see you guys making a LOT of excuses for this team and that's sad because you really need to face reality. The fact of the matter is this, EMU played a pretty easy pre-MAC schedule and hasn't beaten a quality team all season. Even beating NIU today was to be expected because NIU isn't a very good team. Honestly, you are such a homer that you can't even see that this team isn't very good. Sorry to be so blunt but it's the truth.

I think we just plain disagree on hoops and football.

According to the computer rankings we are top 1/3 in hoops and really a FCS team in football.

We lost to MSU by apprx. 20 and the others by what 9, 6, 1, and 1 and beat UofM. Intellectually, I absolutely refuse to allow 3 games to define the entire season to date. If anyone wants to 'make excuses' they can say both BSU and KSU are better than expected. I just rather say we should have won at least one of the games vs. BSU and MIA and leave it at that.

I can't see putting both sports in the same sentence except for EMU reference in the sentence.
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RE: Game Day (A Day Early): @ Kent State
(01-18-2015 03:58 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-17-2015 06:11 PM)HuronRob Wrote:  
(01-17-2015 03:55 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-16-2015 11:21 PM)rayEMU Wrote:  
(01-16-2015 10:55 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Let's not compare the two programs please. The football team was not competitive and would get killed by Michigan...the basketball team is very competitive and beat Michigan. The Michigan basketball team is better than the Michigan football team, so you can see the difference between EMU basketball and EMU football are light years apart. They deserve some respect.

Well said...

Amen.

Basketball loses heartbreakers in OT (e.g., BSU and MIA), or late in the game (vs. Dayton).

Too many FB games are decided in the first quarter, sometimes early in the first quarter.

Too say that FB was 1 - 7 in conference and the men are 0 - 3 and that that both are bad.

I'm thinking of 'false equivalency'.

We're this || close to being a very good hoops team; we are miles from being a good football team (which has never beaten a P5 conference team while hoops has beaten Mississippi State, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Duke, Michigan, Syracuse, Cal Berkley, Purdue, Michigan, etc. - all off the top of my head since I have been following them - 1991).

EDIT: We did not play Notre Dame in the 1991 NCAA tourney. We beat Penn State.

It isn't a false equivalency. The basketball team entered MAC play at 11-2 and promptly went 0-3. So much for that out of conference schedule. The football team was supposed to have a new attitude, with a new and improved product on the field and the results were the same as they've been the past few years - continued blowouts throughout the season. No equivalency - two poor and under performing programs that had higher expectations when their seasons began.

Yeah, the season isn't over but the equivalency is poor performance period. You guys touted this EMU basketball team as being very good and it has proven itself to be mediocre, at best, up to this point. You can have all the talent in the world but if you don't play as a team and you lose games you should win, who cares if that loss is by 1 or 100, you are not a good team.

I see you guys making a LOT of excuses for this team and that's sad because you really need to face reality. The fact of the matter is this, EMU played a pretty easy pre-MAC schedule and hasn't beaten a quality team all season. Even beating NIU today was to be expected because NIU isn't a very good team. Honestly, you are such a homer that you can't even see that this team isn't very good. Sorry to be so blunt but it's the truth.

I think we just plain disagree on hoops and football.

According to the computer rankings we are top 1/3 in hoops and really a FCS team in football.

We lost to MSU by apprx. 20 and the others by what 9, 6, 1, and 1 and beat UofM. Intellectually, I absolutely refuse to allow 3 games to define the entire season to date. If anyone wants to 'make excuses' they can say both BSU and KSU are better than expected. I just rather say we should have won at least one of the games vs. BSU and MIA and leave it at that.

I can't see putting both sports in the same sentence except for EMU reference in the sentence.

Steve you an I have been butting heads for 15 years now and you are captain positive when it comes to EMU basketball and football. 07-coffee3 in those 15 years you have never ever thought that emu would do badly, not even when we were 0-15 during Boones first year.07-coffee3
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RE: Game Day (A Day Early): @ Kent State
(01-18-2015 09:14 AM)emussuperfan Wrote:  
(01-18-2015 03:58 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-17-2015 06:11 PM)HuronRob Wrote:  
(01-17-2015 03:55 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-16-2015 11:21 PM)rayEMU Wrote:  Well said...

Amen.

Basketball loses heartbreakers in OT (e.g., BSU and MIA), or late in the game (vs. Dayton).

Too many FB games are decided in the first quarter, sometimes early in the first quarter.

Too say that FB was 1 - 7 in conference and the men are 0 - 3 and that that both are bad.

I'm thinking of 'false equivalency'.

We're this || close to being a very good hoops team; we are miles from being a good football team (which has never beaten a P5 conference team while hoops has beaten Mississippi State, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Duke, Michigan, Syracuse, Cal Berkley, Purdue, Michigan, etc. - all off the top of my head since I have been following them - 1991).

EDIT: We did not play Notre Dame in the 1991 NCAA tourney. We beat Penn State.

It isn't a false equivalency. The basketball team entered MAC play at 11-2 and promptly went 0-3. So much for that out of conference schedule. The football team was supposed to have a new attitude, with a new and improved product on the field and the results were the same as they've been the past few years - continued blowouts throughout the season. No equivalency - two poor and under performing programs that had higher expectations when their seasons began.

Yeah, the season isn't over but the equivalency is poor performance period. You guys touted this EMU basketball team as being very good and it has proven itself to be mediocre, at best, up to this point. You can have all the talent in the world but if you don't play as a team and you lose games you should win, who cares if that loss is by 1 or 100, you are not a good team.

I see you guys making a LOT of excuses for this team and that's sad because you really need to face reality. The fact of the matter is this, EMU played a pretty easy pre-MAC schedule and hasn't beaten a quality team all season. Even beating NIU today was to be expected because NIU isn't a very good team. Honestly, you are such a homer that you can't even see that this team isn't very good. Sorry to be so blunt but it's the truth.

I think we just plain disagree on hoops and football.

According to the computer rankings we are top 1/3 in hoops and really a FCS team in football.

We lost to MSU by apprx. 20 and the others by what 9, 6, 1, and 1 and beat UofM. Intellectually, I absolutely refuse to allow 3 games to define the entire season to date. If anyone wants to 'make excuses' they can say both BSU and KSU are better than expected. I just rather say we should have won at least one of the games vs. BSU and MIA and leave it at that.

I can't see putting both sports in the same sentence except for EMU reference in the sentence.

Steve you an I have been butting heads for 15 years now and you are captain positive when it comes to EMU basketball and football. 07-coffee3 in those 15 years you have never ever thought that emu would do badly, not even when we were 0-15 during Boones first year.07-coffee3

I'm captain positive mostly on basketball, although I had hopes for English in football which petered out after a promising 6 - 6 year.

I pretty much checked out during the Ramsey era. Wasn't a fan of Barnes but of the team.
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Rob, it seems you are saying the equivalency is that EMU was DISAPPOINTING in football AND was DISAPPOINTING in basketball. I think most will agree that the 0-3 start to MAC play in basketball was indeed disappointing. So in that way you may have a valid point.

You are failing to qualify the disappointment based on expectations. To quote your post, EMU basketball team "have proven to be mediocre at best". Which I assume is the cause of the disappointment in basketball. If the football program was described as mediocre, that would be an improvement rather than a disappointment.
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(01-18-2015 10:01 AM)rayEMU Wrote:  Rob, it seems you are saying the equivalency is that EMU was DISAPPOINTING in football AND was DISAPPOINTING in basketball. I think most will agree that the 0-3 start to MAC play in basketball was indeed disappointing. So in that way you may have a valid point.

You are failing to qualify the disappointment based on expectations. To quote your post, EMU basketball team "have proven to be mediocre at best". Which I assume is the cause of the disappointment in basketball. If the football program was described as mediocre, that would be an improvement rather than a disappointment.
Well stated.
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(01-18-2015 10:01 AM)rayEMU Wrote:  Rob, it seems you are saying the equivalency is that EMU was DISAPPOINTING in football AND was DISAPPOINTING in basketball. I think most will agree that the 0-3 start to MAC play in basketball was indeed disappointing. So in that way you may have a valid point.

You are failing to qualify the disappointment based on expectations. To quote your post, EMU basketball team "have proven to be mediocre at best". Which I assume is the cause of the disappointment in basketball. If the football program was described as mediocre, that would be an improvement rather than a disappointment.

Guys if you want to see disappointing, very disappointing... Here is the 2010/11 season according to ESPN's online (all games):

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...gan-eagles

NINE wins (total) of which THREE were non-DI and not convincing wins either (nine points over Madonna. OMG). Played ONE real good team, MSU, and lost by 30. The OOC schedule was very soft.

Five MAC wins but back then the MAC was DISAPPOINTING and some teams downright terrible. (MAC is much, much better this year).

Here are the Sagarins for 2010/11.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sag...onference/

We played six conference games vs. CMU, NIU and Toledo all of whom had rankings 275 or lower (#1 is highest and lowest #345. Toledo was #333. Todd K took one of the worst teams in D-I and built a very strong team. Great job!!).
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