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RE: North Dakota State won its 4th consecutive championship
(01-11-2015 07:54 PM)MJG Wrote:  The only negative to adding one or two small FBS conferences is splitting the play off money.

Easy solution let them form new football only conferences .
Make a rule only all sports conferences can receive the G5 play off pay out.
These eight to twenty teams could be eligible for the APR money and the current independent pay out. So six hundred thousand possible pay out for a total of 4.8 to twelve million .

The P5 would benefit by being able to all but eliminate FCS games.
The G5 would benefit by having a competitive advantage over these teams.
Two new bowl games would be needed or three if two conferences.
Football only would help stabilize conferences like the WAC or Summit.

A low number for the stipend or no stipend .
A ceiling on coaches pay along with lower cost for travel for Olympic sports makes it possible .

If FCS teams were allowed to form FBS only leagues with just football, the entire conference structure at the lower level would just fall apart. It would be chaos.

What Fullerton is proposing will fulfill the current rules, would have the backing of the B1G and Pac12, would solve Idaho's and NMSU's dilemma, and would necessarily cost the G5 anything. The WAC "gives" back to the Summit UMKC and Chicago St, the Summit moves the rest of the Dakotas to the Big Sky, the Big West lets UCDavis and Cal Poly to the Big Sky in exchange for Bakersfield from the WAC, and the Big Sky gives NAU, SUU, Weber, Idaho St, and N Col to the WAC. Everybody is happier and a new FBS is born once there meet NCAA rules. When the WAC blew its FBS chances, the Big Sky schools didn't have the capability due to financial crisis (Cal, Ore, and Wash) and the Dakota's didn't have the capability they do now.
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RE: North Dakota State won its 4th consecutive championship
(01-11-2015 08:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 07:54 PM)MJG Wrote:  The only negative to adding one or two small FBS conferences is splitting the play off money.

Easy solution let them form new football only conferences .
Make a rule only all sports conferences can receive the G5 play off pay out.
These eight to twenty teams could be eligible for the APR money and the current independent pay out. So six hundred thousand possible pay out for a total of 4.8 to twelve million .

The P5 would benefit by being able to all but eliminate FCS games.
The G5 would benefit by having a competitive advantage over these teams.
Two new bowl games would be needed or three if two conferences.
Football only would help stabilize conferences like the WAC or Summit.

A low number for the stipend or no stipend .
A ceiling on coaches pay along with lower cost for travel for Olympic sports makes it possible .

If FCS teams were allowed to form FBS only leagues with just football, the entire conference structure at the lower level would just fall apart. It would be chaos.

What Fullerton is proposing will fulfill the current rules, would have the backing of the B1G and Pac12, would solve Idaho's and NMSU's dilemma, and would necessarily cost the G5 anything. The WAC "gives" back to the Summit UMKC and Chicago St, the Summit moves the rest of the Dakotas to the Big Sky, the Big West lets UCDavis and Cal Poly to the Big Sky in exchange for Bakersfield from the WAC, and the Big Sky gives NAU, SUU, Weber, Idaho St, and N Col to the WAC. Everybody is happier and a new FBS is born once there meet NCAA rules. When the WAC blew its FBS chances, the Big Sky schools didn't have the capability due to financial crisis (Cal, Ore, and Wash) and the Dakota's didn't have the capability they do now.


UC Davis and Cal poly don't want to go to the Big Sky for Olympic sports due to increased travel costs and I doubt Weber, ISU or N Col want to leave the Big Sky due to its low travel costs for them. You see many schools like one league for all their sports. Man you make a lot of assumptions and create some really spread out leagues from Cali to North Dakota in one and break up long rivalries. LOL at splitting Idaho and Idaho State into different leagues. good grief
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RE: North Dakota State won its 4th consecutive championship
(01-11-2015 08:42 PM)billings Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 08:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 07:54 PM)MJG Wrote:  The only negative to adding one or two small FBS conferences is splitting the play off money.

Easy solution let them form new football only conferences .
Make a rule only all sports conferences can receive the G5 play off pay out.
These eight to twenty teams could be eligible for the APR money and the current independent pay out. So six hundred thousand possible pay out for a total of 4.8 to twelve million .

The P5 would benefit by being able to all but eliminate FCS games.
The G5 would benefit by having a competitive advantage over these teams.
Two new bowl games would be needed or three if two conferences.
Football only would help stabilize conferences like the WAC or Summit.

A low number for the stipend or no stipend .
A ceiling on coaches pay along with lower cost for travel for Olympic sports makes it possible .

If FCS teams were allowed to form FBS only leagues with just football, the entire conference structure at the lower level would just fall apart. It would be chaos.

What Fullerton is proposing will fulfill the current rules, would have the backing of the B1G and Pac12, would solve Idaho's and NMSU's dilemma, and would necessarily cost the G5 anything. The WAC "gives" back to the Summit UMKC and Chicago St, the Summit moves the rest of the Dakotas to the Big Sky, the Big West lets UCDavis and Cal Poly to the Big Sky in exchange for Bakersfield from the WAC, and the Big Sky gives NAU, SUU, Weber, Idaho St, and N Col to the WAC. Everybody is happier and a new FBS is born once there meet NCAA rules. When the WAC blew its FBS chances, the Big Sky schools didn't have the capability due to financial crisis (Cal, Ore, and Wash) and the Dakota's didn't have the capability they do now.


UC Davis and Cal poly don't want to go to the Big Sky for Olympic sports due to increased travel costs and I doubt Weber, ISU or N Col want to leave the Big Sky due to its low travel costs for them. You see many schools like one league for all their sports. Man you make a lot of assumptions and create some really spread out leagues from Cali to North Dakota in one and break up long rivalries. LOL at splitting Idaho and Idaho State into different leagues. good grief
Idaho can't stand being in a league with Idaho State. They are no where close BTW and in winter, can be impossible travel except by flying. A Big Sky with at least 12 teams can be split into plains and coastal divisions. Wouldn't be much more travel than now and in fact less for Montana and Idaho.
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RE: North Dakota State won its 4th consecutive championship
(01-11-2015 09:12 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 08:42 PM)billings Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 08:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 07:54 PM)MJG Wrote:  The only negative to adding one or two small FBS conferences is splitting the play off money.

Easy solution let them form new football only conferences .
Make a rule only all sports conferences can receive the G5 play off pay out.
These eight to twenty teams could be eligible for the APR money and the current independent pay out. So six hundred thousand possible pay out for a total of 4.8 to twelve million .

The P5 would benefit by being able to all but eliminate FCS games.
The G5 would benefit by having a competitive advantage over these teams.
Two new bowl games would be needed or three if two conferences.
Football only would help stabilize conferences like the WAC or Summit.

A low number for the stipend or no stipend .
A ceiling on coaches pay along with lower cost for travel for Olympic sports makes it possible .

If FCS teams were allowed to form FBS only leagues with just football, the entire conference structure at the lower level would just fall apart. It would be chaos.

What Fullerton is proposing will fulfill the current rules, would have the backing of the B1G and Pac12, would solve Idaho's and NMSU's dilemma, and would necessarily cost the G5 anything. The WAC "gives" back to the Summit UMKC and Chicago St, the Summit moves the rest of the Dakotas to the Big Sky, the Big West lets UCDavis and Cal Poly to the Big Sky in exchange for Bakersfield from the WAC, and the Big Sky gives NAU, SUU, Weber, Idaho St, and N Col to the WAC. Everybody is happier and a new FBS is born once there meet NCAA rules. When the WAC blew its FBS chances, the Big Sky schools didn't have the capability due to financial crisis (Cal, Ore, and Wash) and the Dakota's didn't have the capability they do now.


UC Davis and Cal poly don't want to go to the Big Sky for Olympic sports due to increased travel costs and I doubt Weber, ISU or N Col want to leave the Big Sky due to its low travel costs for them. You see many schools like one league for all their sports. Man you make a lot of assumptions and create some really spread out leagues from Cali to North Dakota in one and break up long rivalries. LOL at splitting Idaho and Idaho State into different leagues. good grief
Idaho can't stand being in a league with Idaho State. They are no where close BTW and in winter, can be impossible travel except by flying. A Big Sky with at least 12 teams can be split into plains and coastal divisions. Wouldn't be much more travel than now and in fact less for Montana and Idaho.


Yea traveling to the dakotas for the Montana's is way easier and shorter in the winter then Idaho State and Weber which they bus to now all winter long. Idaho State and Idaho bus to olympic sports competition all winter long
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RE: North Dakota State won its 4th consecutive championship
(01-11-2015 09:55 PM)billings Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 09:12 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 08:42 PM)billings Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 08:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 07:54 PM)MJG Wrote:  The only negative to adding one or two small FBS conferences is splitting the play off money.

Easy solution let them form new football only conferences .
Make a rule only all sports conferences can receive the G5 play off pay out.
These eight to twenty teams could be eligible for the APR money and the current independent pay out. So six hundred thousand possible pay out for a total of 4.8 to twelve million .

The P5 would benefit by being able to all but eliminate FCS games.
The G5 would benefit by having a competitive advantage over these teams.
Two new bowl games would be needed or three if two conferences.
Football only would help stabilize conferences like the WAC or Summit.

A low number for the stipend or no stipend .
A ceiling on coaches pay along with lower cost for travel for Olympic sports makes it possible .

If FCS teams were allowed to form FBS only leagues with just football, the entire conference structure at the lower level would just fall apart. It would be chaos.

What Fullerton is proposing will fulfill the current rules, would have the backing of the B1G and Pac12, would solve Idaho's and NMSU's dilemma, and would necessarily cost the G5 anything. The WAC "gives" back to the Summit UMKC and Chicago St, the Summit moves the rest of the Dakotas to the Big Sky, the Big West lets UCDavis and Cal Poly to the Big Sky in exchange for Bakersfield from the WAC, and the Big Sky gives NAU, SUU, Weber, Idaho St, and N Col to the WAC. Everybody is happier and a new FBS is born once there meet NCAA rules. When the WAC blew its FBS chances, the Big Sky schools didn't have the capability due to financial crisis (Cal, Ore, and Wash) and the Dakota's didn't have the capability they do now.


UC Davis and Cal poly don't want to go to the Big Sky for Olympic sports due to increased travel costs and I doubt Weber, ISU or N Col want to leave the Big Sky due to its low travel costs for them. You see many schools like one league for all their sports. Man you make a lot of assumptions and create some really spread out leagues from Cali to North Dakota in one and break up long rivalries. LOL at splitting Idaho and Idaho State into different leagues. good grief
Idaho can't stand being in a league with Idaho State. They are no where close BTW and in winter, can be impossible travel except by flying. A Big Sky with at least 12 teams can be split into plains and coastal divisions. Wouldn't be much more travel than now and in fact less for Montana and Idaho.


Yea traveling to the dakotas for the Montana's is way easier and shorter in the winter then Idaho State and Weber which they bus to now all winter long. Idaho State and Idaho bus to olympic sports competition all winter long
You never addressed Idaho State being in a league with Idaho. It would be like Ohio in a conference with Ohio STate. Idaho fans simply hate it. In a winter with blowing snow, travel between the two locations by bus is difficult to say the least, even though their not in the same Big Sky divisions.
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(01-11-2015 10:04 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 09:55 PM)billings Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 09:12 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 08:42 PM)billings Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 08:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  If FCS teams were allowed to form FBS only leagues with just football, the entire conference structure at the lower level would just fall apart. It would be chaos.

What Fullerton is proposing will fulfill the current rules, would have the backing of the B1G and Pac12, would solve Idaho's and NMSU's dilemma, and would necessarily cost the G5 anything. The WAC "gives" back to the Summit UMKC and Chicago St, the Summit moves the rest of the Dakotas to the Big Sky, the Big West lets UCDavis and Cal Poly to the Big Sky in exchange for Bakersfield from the WAC, and the Big Sky gives NAU, SUU, Weber, Idaho St, and N Col to the WAC. Everybody is happier and a new FBS is born once there meet NCAA rules. When the WAC blew its FBS chances, the Big Sky schools didn't have the capability due to financial crisis (Cal, Ore, and Wash) and the Dakota's didn't have the capability they do now.


UC Davis and Cal poly don't want to go to the Big Sky for Olympic sports due to increased travel costs and I doubt Weber, ISU or N Col want to leave the Big Sky due to its low travel costs for them. You see many schools like one league for all their sports. Man you make a lot of assumptions and create some really spread out leagues from Cali to North Dakota in one and break up long rivalries. LOL at splitting Idaho and Idaho State into different leagues. good grief
Idaho can't stand being in a league with Idaho State. They are no where close BTW and in winter, can be impossible travel except by flying. A Big Sky with at least 12 teams can be split into plains and coastal divisions. Wouldn't be much more travel than now and in fact less for Montana and Idaho.


Yea traveling to the dakotas for the Montana's is way easier and shorter in the winter then Idaho State and Weber which they bus to now all winter long. Idaho State and Idaho bus to olympic sports competition all winter long
You never addressed Idaho State being in a league with Idaho. It would be like Ohio in a conference with Ohio STate. Idaho fans simply hate it. In a winter with blowing snow, travel between the two locations by bus is difficult to say the least, even though their not in the same Big Sky divisions.


Idaho just left the WAC to join a conference that included Idaho State. Must not hate it to bad.

Have to fly to the dakotas and no direct flights exist. Easier to bus to Weber and Pocatello right down I15
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(01-11-2015 02:36 PM)billings Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 02:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Let's be clear about this for a moment... I am not trying to take anything away from North Dakota State...

The issue is that there are already TOO MANY FBS level teams. There needs to be movement back towards FCS, not away from it, for both FCS and FBS.

Winning a 4th consecutive FCS Championship is great. Way to go, Bison! But that doesn't mean anything about moving up to FBS.

FCS is a big money loser. won't happen and as in the case of UAB you are better off dropping football then try to negotiate a move down and the mess that involves with loss of conference affiliation, destruction of BB program, PR hit, etc
Except, FBS is even a bigger money loser. So, a university needs to be prepare to lose more money than they do now.
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(01-11-2015 10:04 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 09:55 PM)billings Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 09:12 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 08:42 PM)billings Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 08:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  If FCS teams were allowed to form FBS only leagues with just football, the entire conference structure at the lower level would just fall apart. It would be chaos.

What Fullerton is proposing will fulfill the current rules, would have the backing of the B1G and Pac12, would solve Idaho's and NMSU's dilemma, and would necessarily cost the G5 anything. The WAC "gives" back to the Summit UMKC and Chicago St, the Summit moves the rest of the Dakotas to the Big Sky, the Big West lets UCDavis and Cal Poly to the Big Sky in exchange for Bakersfield from the WAC, and the Big Sky gives NAU, SUU, Weber, Idaho St, and N Col to the WAC. Everybody is happier and a new FBS is born once there meet NCAA rules. When the WAC blew its FBS chances, the Big Sky schools didn't have the capability due to financial crisis (Cal, Ore, and Wash) and the Dakota's didn't have the capability they do now.


UC Davis and Cal poly don't want to go to the Big Sky for Olympic sports due to increased travel costs and I doubt Weber, ISU or N Col want to leave the Big Sky due to its low travel costs for them. You see many schools like one league for all their sports. Man you make a lot of assumptions and create some really spread out leagues from Cali to North Dakota in one and break up long rivalries. LOL at splitting Idaho and Idaho State into different leagues. good grief
Idaho can't stand being in a league with Idaho State. They are no where close BTW and in winter, can be impossible travel except by flying. A Big Sky with at least 12 teams can be split into plains and coastal divisions. Wouldn't be much more travel than now and in fact less for Montana and Idaho.


Yea traveling to the dakotas for the Montana's is way easier and shorter in the winter then Idaho State and Weber which they bus to now all winter long. Idaho State and Idaho bus to olympic sports competition all winter long
You never addressed Idaho State being in a league with Idaho. It would be like Ohio in a conference with Ohio STate. Idaho fans simply hate it. In a winter with blowing snow, travel between the two locations by bus is difficult to say the least, even though their not in the same Big Sky divisions.

Idaho was in a league with Idaho St. for decades.
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(01-10-2015 07:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  From a realignment port of view. some of their fans want FBS, as FCS is not challenging enough. But out of MVFC teams, three schools and maybe more have a better chance of getting an FBS invite than NDSU: Ill St, Mo St, and Youngtown St, Ind St, S Ill and UNI have talked about going FBS too. If N Ill leaves the MAC, Ill St would get a shot with the MAC. Mo St has an open invite to the Sun Belt. YSU has Pelini and their President. If as Kittonhead says, Ohio and some other MAC teams move on, the eastern MVC teams are easy fill ins.

The MWC is often cited by NDSU and Montana fans as their possible destination, but the probability is <0.001 % unless the AAC or Big 12 does a major raid on the MWC. UTEP, North Texas, Rice, and UTSA or even UC Davis have so much more to offer the MWC, if they ever needed another team.

NDSU is screwed, in the current FCS/FBS regime.

Even assuming the "best" possible case scenario:
- UAB drops football (already happened)
- Hawaii drops football (maybe)
- Idaho drops football (no evidence this is even on the table)
- Big XII expands to 12 (even if they don't get the waiver, they may thumb their nose at a championship game)
- CUSA wants to get back to 14 (why? how does it serve them?)
- Sun Belt wants to get to 12 (for a championship game)

That only means that the Sun Belt - might - consider NDSU for a football-only associate membership. Even then, there are many others they'd probably take before doing that.


In my opinion, the only realistic chance that NDSU has at FBS is if the authority (not sure if that will be the NCAA, the autonomous body or both) allows them to move up as an independent. Probably won't happen.
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NDSU is heavily invested in pulling recruits from the upper Midwest, especially Minnesota, Wisconsin, and now Nebraska and Iowa. I am not sure looking west is the answer for them. They are in a tough spot for sure. What a dynasty though!
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(01-11-2015 02:28 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Let's be clear about this for a moment... I am not trying to take anything away from North Dakota State...

The issue is that there are already TOO MANY FBS level teams. There needs to be movement back towards FCS, not away from it, for both FCS and FBS.

Winning a 4th consecutive FCS Championship is great. Way to go, Bison! But that doesn't mean anything about moving up to FBS.

I disagree that their are "too many" FBS teams, because FBS doesn't mean anything special. Nor should it.

All it means that a particular school has agreed to make the maximum allowed financial investment for the sport, in terms of player scholarships.

The other nice thing about the (sub)division is that it has a scholarship minimum, which FCS does not have.


So my opinion is that any Division I school with varsity football who wants to make the financial commitment to having at least 76.5 scholarships should be allowed to compete at the FBS level.
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(01-12-2015 11:42 AM)Shox Wrote:  NDSU is heavily invested in pulling recruits from the upper Midwest, especially Minnesota, Wisconsin, and now Nebraska and Iowa. I am not sure looking west is the answer for them. They are in a tough spot for sure. What a dynasty though!

Generally speaking, 70-80% of NDSU's football talent comes from MN and WI.

Those are two states with a lot of good high school players, with only a single DI football program at the highest level of college athletics which does not recruit its own state. NDSU has reaped greatly from this arrangement for quite a number of years and there's no sign of it slowing, even though a number of MVFC and even FBS teams now try to make MN and WI a recruiting priority.

NE (mostly Omaha), SD (mostly Sioux Falls) and ND make up another 10-15%. The remainder largely depends on the recruiting philosophy of the head coach and the connections of the coaching staff.

At various times since Bohl was head coach, there were connections to Mississippi, Arizona, Houston, Michigan, California, Florida, etc. etc. I wish Iowa was more in play, but even with Klieman and Entz it looks like that state will never be more than a onsie-twosie per year for NDSU.
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(01-12-2015 11:56 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(01-12-2015 11:42 AM)Shox Wrote:  NDSU is heavily invested in pulling recruits from the upper Midwest, especially Minnesota, Wisconsin, and now Nebraska and Iowa. I am not sure looking west is the answer for them. They are in a tough spot for sure. What a dynasty though!

Generally speaking, 70-80% of NDSU's football talent comes from MN and WI.

Those are two states with a lot of good high school players, with only a single DI football program at the highest level of college athletics which does not recruit its own state. NDSU has reaped greatly from this arrangement for quite a number of years and there's no sign of it slowing, even though a number of MVFC and even FBS teams now try to make MN and WI a recruiting priority.

NE (mostly Omaha), SD (mostly Sioux Falls) and ND make up another 10-15%. The remainder largely depends on the recruiting philosophy of the head coach and the connections of the coaching staff.

At various times since Bohl was head coach, there were connections to Mississippi, Arizona, Houston, Michigan, California, Florida, etc. etc. I wish Iowa was more in play, but even with Klieman and Entz it looks like that state will never be more than a onsie-twosie per year for NDSU.

How many transfers from FBS programs do you guys usually have?
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(01-12-2015 03:43 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  How many transfers from FBS programs do you guys usually have?

Very few.

There is one prominent one at the moment (a transfer RB from Nebraska), but even in that situation it was a player highly recruited out of the Kansas City area by NDSU.
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(01-12-2015 09:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  Idaho was in a league with Idaho St. for decades.

They were in a PAC conference with USC, Stanford, and Washington too. Boise St leaving them in the dust really hurt the school's psyche. Playing football in a league with Idaho St is something they won't tolerate. They'd drop football before that happens.

They want to associate with similar schools: The Montana's and the Dakota's.
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(01-12-2015 05:12 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-12-2015 09:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  Idaho was in a league with Idaho St. for decades.

They were in a PAC conference with USC, Stanford, and Washington too. Boise St leaving them in the dust really hurt the school's psyche. Playing football in a league with Idaho St is something they won't tolerate. They'd drop football before that happens.

They want to associate with similar schools: The Montana's and the Dakota's.

And the difference between Idaho State and South Dakota State is??
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(01-12-2015 09:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  Idaho was in a league with Idaho St. for decades.

They were in a PAC conference with USC, Stanford, and Washington too. Boise St leaving them in the dust really hurt the school's psyche. Playing football in a league with Idaho St is something they won't tolerate. They'd drop football before that happens.

They want to associate with similar schools: The Montana's and the Dakota's.

And the difference between Idaho State and South Dakota State is??

Idaho and SDSU (and NDSU and Mt St) are land grant institutions, so they can share a lot of info through their extension services and cereal genetics. Idaho, Montana, UND, and USD all have liberal art roots, law schools, and Idaho and UND have engineering.

Idaho St has a small engineering program, but nothing to compare with Idaho. Idaho's major detriment is its location in a remote village far from any population center but Spokane.
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(01-11-2015 08:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 07:54 PM)MJG Wrote:  The only negative to adding one or two small FBS conferences is splitting the play off money.

Easy solution let them form new football only conferences .
Make a rule only all sports conferences can receive the G5 play off pay out.
These eight to twenty teams could be eligible for the APR money and the current independent pay out. So six hundred thousand possible pay out for a total of 4.8 to twelve million .

The P5 would benefit by being able to all but eliminate FCS games.
The G5 would benefit by having a competitive advantage over these teams.
Two new bowl games would be needed or three if two conferences.
Football only would help stabilize conferences like the WAC or Summit.

A low number for the stipend or no stipend .
A ceiling on coaches pay along with lower cost for travel for Olympic sports makes it possible .

If FCS teams were allowed to form FBS only leagues with just football, the entire conference structure at the lower level would just fall apart. It would be chaos.

What Fullerton is proposing will fulfill the current rules, would have the backing of the B1G and Pac12, would solve Idaho's and NMSU's dilemma, and would necessarily cost the G5 anything. The WAC "gives" back to the Summit UMKC and Chicago St, the Summit moves the rest of the Dakotas to the Big Sky, the Big West lets UCDavis and Cal Poly to the Big Sky in exchange for Bakersfield from the WAC, and the Big Sky gives NAU, SUU, Weber, Idaho St, and N Col to the WAC. Everybody is happier and a new FBS is born once there meet NCAA rules. When the WAC blew its FBS chances, the Big Sky schools didn't have the capability due to financial crisis (Cal, Ore, and Wash) and the Dakota's didn't have the capability they do now.

There is NO way the BW would "let" UC Davis and Cal Poly go in exchange for Bakersfield.
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RE: North Dakota State won its 4th consecutive championship
(01-12-2015 11:13 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 08:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(01-11-2015 07:54 PM)MJG Wrote:  The only negative to adding one or two small FBS conferences is splitting the play off money.

Easy solution let them form new football only conferences .
Make a rule only all sports conferences can receive the G5 play off pay out.
These eight to twenty teams could be eligible for the APR money and the current independent pay out. So six hundred thousand possible pay out for a total of 4.8 to twelve million .

The P5 would benefit by being able to all but eliminate FCS games.
The G5 would benefit by having a competitive advantage over these teams.
Two new bowl games would be needed or three if two conferences.
Football only would help stabilize conferences like the WAC or Summit.

A low number for the stipend or no stipend .
A ceiling on coaches pay along with lower cost for travel for Olympic sports makes it possible .

If FCS teams were allowed to form FBS only leagues with just football, the entire conference structure at the lower level would just fall apart. It would be chaos.

What Fullerton is proposing will fulfill the current rules, would have the backing of the B1G and Pac12, would solve Idaho's and NMSU's dilemma, and would necessarily cost the G5 anything. The WAC "gives" back to the Summit UMKC and Chicago St, the Summit moves the rest of the Dakotas to the Big Sky, the Big West lets UCDavis and Cal Poly to the Big Sky in exchange for Bakersfield from the WAC, and the Big Sky gives NAU, SUU, Weber, Idaho St, and N Col to the WAC. Everybody is happier and a new FBS is born once there meet NCAA rules. When the WAC blew its FBS chances, the Big Sky schools didn't have the capability due to financial crisis (Cal, Ore, and Wash) and the Dakota's didn't have the capability they do now.

There is NO way the BW would "let" UC Davis and Cal Poly go in exchange for Bakersfield.

So Big West schools are forbidden to leave? Bakersfield would go to the Big West because it doesn't have other So Cal options outside DII UC San Diego.
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(01-13-2015 01:10 AM)NoDak Wrote:  So Big West schools are forbidden to leave? Bakersfield would go to the Big West because it doesn't have other So Cal options outside DII UC San Diego.


What I meant was, "Trading" UC Davis and Cal Poly for Bakersfield would be the worst transaction in the conference's history, and that there is no way the BW would willingly go for it.
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