http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30735673

The Islamic world is stuck in 8th century. Russia is stuck in the 19th century.

It's hard sharing a planet with them.

(01-08-2015 07:26 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Islamic world is stuck in 8th century. Russia is stuck in the 19th century.

It's hard sharing a planet with them.

The good news is that with just a little cajiggering, we can probably get those 19th century Russians to fight those 8th century Islamo-terrorists for us. Win-Win!

Godwin's Law is no longer applicable to Russia. Its not 1941 yet, but its certainly getting past the "Nuremberg Law" phase.

Fall Ruble, fall.

Its been scary to watch. Over 53 (last one was on Saturday) mob attacks on Gay persons in bars and private clubs. Zero prosecutions. Some of the attackers are known and are Kremlin aligned. Well over a 100 violent attacks (including sexual assualts and shootings) visible on Vkontake. No prosecutions although many of the attackers are filmed and known.

Just like in Nazi Germany, they've begun banning LGBT persons from the professions and from housing. Now they're banning them from driving.

Denials of freedoms of expression, assembly, association, religion, press, petition, protest, due process, and expression.

Massive numbers of fleeing Russians. In Germany's Gay Bars the signage was changed from German and English to German/English/Russian 2 years ago. Now NYC Gay bars are signing in English/Spanish/Russian. I know at least 15 Gay Russians in Houston (which isn't a prime location for Russian emigres). It is estimated that 35,000 Gay Russian males have moved to Germany in the last 18 months. Over 10,000 to the US. And the pace of the emigration is increasing.

What's also disturbing are the links between Russia and some American evangelicals. Many are the crackpots, like Mat Staver and Matt Barber and Scott Lively. But there are also links between more well known organizations like the Family Research Council, the Latter Day Saint Foundation, CFAM and Russia (through the World Congress of Families). The National Organization for Marriage also appears to be in bed with the Kremlin on this too. All of them have either publically supported the Russian treatment of its LGBT population (and they have to know exactly whats going on - its in the press - which they monitor) and/or a whole bunch of them went to Moscow a couple of months ago to publically meet with the ringleaders of the pogrom against the LGBT community.

(01-08-2015 09:20 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 07:26 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Islamic world is stuck in 8th century. Russia is stuck in the 19th century.

It's hard sharing a planet with them.

The good news is that with just a little cajiggering, we can probably get those 19th century Russians to fight those 8th century Islamo-terrorists for us. Win-Win!

Was that the plan with Afghanistan and the Taliban in the 80s? There's got to be a way to make it turn out better for us this time around...

(01-08-2015 10:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Godwin's Law is no longer applicable to Russia. Its not 1941 yet, but its certainly getting past the "Nuremberg Law" phase.

Fall Ruble, fall.

Its been scary to watch. Over 53 (last one was on Saturday) mob attacks on Gay persons in bars and private clubs. Zero prosecutions. Some of the attackers are known and are Kremlin aligned. Well over a 100 violent attacks (including sexual assualts and shootings) visible on Vkontake. No prosecutions although many of the attackers are filmed and known.

Just like in Nazi Germany, they've begun banning LGBT persons from the professions and from housing. Now they're banning them from driving.

Denials of freedoms of expression, assembly, association, religion, press, petition, protest, due process, and expression.

Massive numbers of fleeing Russians. In Germany's Gay Bars the signage was changed from German and English to German/English/Russian 2 years ago. Now NYC Gay bars are signing in English/Spanish/Russian. I know at least 15 Gay Russians in Houston (which isn't a prime location for Russian emigres). It is estimated that 35,000 Gay Russian males have moved to Germany in the last 18 months. Over 10,000 to the US. And the pace of the emigration is increasing.

What's also disturbing are the links between Russia and some American evangelicals. Many are the crackpots, like Mat Staver and Matt Barber and Scott Lively. But there are also links between more well known organizations like the Family Research Council, the Latter Day Saint Foundation, CFAM and Russia (through the World Congress of Families). The National Organization for Marriage also appears to be in bed with the Kremlin on this too. All of them have either publically supported the Russian treatment of its LGBT population (and they have to know exactly whats going on - its in the press - which they monitor) and/or a whole bunch of them went to Moscow a couple of months ago to publically meet with the ringleaders of the pogrom against the LGBT community.

Can Russia even afford to lose people regardless of their sexual orientation? I imagine they'll be closing the borders soon.

(01-08-2015 09:20 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 07:26 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Islamic world is stuck in 8th century. Russia is stuck in the 19th century.

It's hard sharing a planet with them.

The good news is that with just a little cajiggering, we can probably get those 19th century Russians to fight those 8th century Islamo-terrorists for us. Win-Win!

They already did..... Afghanistan !

(01-08-2015 10:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Godwin's Law is no longer applicable to Russia. Its not 1941 yet, but its certainly getting past the "Nuremberg Law" phase.

Fall Ruble, fall.

Its been scary to watch. Over 53 (last one was on Saturday) mob attacks on Gay persons in bars and private clubs. Zero prosecutions. Some of the attackers are known and are Kremlin aligned. Well over a 100 violent attacks (including sexual assualts and shootings) visible on Vkontake. No prosecutions although many of the attackers are filmed and known.

Just like in Nazi Germany, they've begun banning LGBT persons from the professions and from housing. Now they're banning them from driving.

Denials of freedoms of expression, assembly, association, religion, press, petition, protest, due process, and expression.

Massive numbers of fleeing Russians. In Germany's Gay Bars the signage was changed from German and English to German/English/Russian 2 years ago. Now NYC Gay bars are signing in English/Spanish/Russian. I know at least 15 Gay Russians in Houston (which isn't a prime location for Russian emigres). It is estimated that 35,000 Gay Russian males have moved to Germany in the last 18 months. Over 10,000 to the US. And the pace of the emigration is increasing.

What's also disturbing are the links between Russia and some American evangelicals. Many are the crackpots, like Mat Staver and Matt Barber and Scott Lively. But there are also links between more well known organizations like the Family Research Council, the Latter Day Saint Foundation, CFAM and Russia (through the World Congress of Families). The National Organization for Marriage also appears to be in bed with the Kremlin on this too. All of them have either publically supported the Russian treatment of its LGBT population (and they have to know exactly whats going on - its in the press - which they monitor) and/or a whole bunch of them went to Moscow a couple of months ago to publically meet with the ringleaders of the pogrom against the LGBT community.

That's just totally wrong. I don't necessarily approve of that Lifestyle, but it is F'D up to deny living rights to people that are not hurting others with Their Choice of Lifestyle. The use of Violence over a sexual preference is uncalled for and loss of Driving privileges is totally out of Control.

(01-09-2015 08:18 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Godwin's Law is no longer applicable to Russia. Its not 1941 yet, but its certainly getting past the "Nuremberg Law" phase.

Fall Ruble, fall.

Its been scary to watch. Over 53 (last one was on Saturday) mob attacks on Gay persons in bars and private clubs. Zero prosecutions. Some of the attackers are known and are Kremlin aligned. Well over a 100 violent attacks (including sexual assualts and shootings) visible on Vkontake. No prosecutions although many of the attackers are filmed and known.

Just like in Nazi Germany, they've begun banning LGBT persons from the professions and from housing. Now they're banning them from driving.

Denials of freedoms of expression, assembly, association, religion, press, petition, protest, due process, and expression.

Massive numbers of fleeing Russians. In Germany's Gay Bars the signage was changed from German and English to German/English/Russian 2 years ago. Now NYC Gay bars are signing in English/Spanish/Russian. I know at least 15 Gay Russians in Houston (which isn't a prime location for Russian emigres). It is estimated that 35,000 Gay Russian males have moved to Germany in the last 18 months. Over 10,000 to the US. And the pace of the emigration is increasing.

What's also disturbing are the links between Russia and some American evangelicals. Many are the crackpots, like Mat Staver and Matt Barber and Scott Lively. But there are also links between more well known organizations like the Family Research Council, the Latter Day Saint Foundation, CFAM and Russia (through the World Congress of Families). The National Organization for Marriage also appears to be in bed with the Kremlin on this too. All of them have either publically supported the Russian treatment of its LGBT population (and they have to know exactly whats going on - its in the press - which they monitor) and/or a whole bunch of them went to Moscow a couple of months ago to publically meet with the ringleaders of the pogrom against the LGBT community.

Can Russia even afford to lose people regardless of their sexual orientation? I imagine they'll be closing the borders soon.

Russia cannot afford to lose those people. Its not just LGBT persons that are fleeing, but a lot of Russians opposed to Putin as well. And Russians are opposed to Putin tend to be the most educated Russians.

But there's a difference between what is good for Putin and what is good for Russia. Putin wants all those opposed to him to leave.

(01-09-2015 09:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:18 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Can Russia even afford to lose people regardless of their sexual orientation? I imagine they'll be closing the borders soon.

Russia cannot afford to lose those people. Its not just LGBT persons that are fleeing, but a lot of Russians opposed to Putin as well. And Russians are opposed to Putin tend to be the most educated Russians.

But there's a difference between what is good for Putin and what is good for Russia. Putin wants all those opposed to him to leave.

It's hard to rule if there is no one left to boss around. Population flight is actually more damaging than capital flight for Russia. At what point do his sycophants begin to realize that Putin is turning the light out on the country?

(01-09-2015 09:00 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 10:42 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Godwin's Law is no longer applicable to Russia. Its not 1941 yet, but its certainly getting past the "Nuremberg Law" phase.

Fall Ruble, fall.

Its been scary to watch. Over 53 (last one was on Saturday) mob attacks on Gay persons in bars and private clubs. Zero prosecutions. Some of the attackers are known and are Kremlin aligned. Well over a 100 violent attacks (including sexual assualts and shootings) visible on Vkontake. No prosecutions although many of the attackers are filmed and known.

Just like in Nazi Germany, they've begun banning LGBT persons from the professions and from housing. Now they're banning them from driving.

Denials of freedoms of expression, assembly, association, religion, press, petition, protest, due process, and expression.

Massive numbers of fleeing Russians. In Germany's Gay Bars the signage was changed from German and English to German/English/Russian 2 years ago. Now NYC Gay bars are signing in English/Spanish/Russian. I know at least 15 Gay Russians in Houston (which isn't a prime location for Russian emigres). It is estimated that 35,000 Gay Russian males have moved to Germany in the last 18 months. Over 10,000 to the US. And the pace of the emigration is increasing.

What's also disturbing are the links between Russia and some American evangelicals. Many are the crackpots, like Mat Staver and Matt Barber and Scott Lively. But there are also links between more well known organizations like the Family Research Council, the Latter Day Saint Foundation, CFAM and Russia (through the World Congress of Families). The National Organization for Marriage also appears to be in bed with the Kremlin on this too. All of them have either publically supported the Russian treatment of its LGBT population (and they have to know exactly whats going on - its in the press - which they monitor) and/or a whole bunch of them went to Moscow a couple of months ago to publically meet with the ringleaders of the pogrom against the LGBT community.

That's just totally wrong. I don't necessarily approve of that Lifestyle, but it is F'D up to deny living rights to people that are not hurting others with Their Choice of Lifestyle. The use of Violence over a sexual preference is uncalled for and loss of Driving privileges is totally out of Control.

One more reason why the gay community needs to quit biitching about how "horrible" they have it here in America where they get special treatment. But Lazy Tom doesn't care about terrorist issues or anything that deals with the world today unless it involves a gay.

There is a part of me that finds it kind of funny. It's one of those "meanwhile in Russian" memes.

BTW, if you ever want a good laugh check out some of the Russia compilations on YouTube of Russians doing crazy ****.

(01-09-2015 10:04 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 09:38 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-09-2015 08:18 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Can Russia even afford to lose people regardless of their sexual orientation? I imagine they'll be closing the borders soon.

Russia cannot afford to lose those people. Its not just LGBT persons that are fleeing, but a lot of Russians opposed to Putin as well. And Russians are opposed to Putin tend to be the most educated Russians.

But there's a difference between what is good for Putin and what is good for Russia. Putin wants all those opposed to him to leave.

It's hard to rule if there is no one left to boss around. Population flight is actually more damaging than capital flight for Russia. At what point do his sycophants begin to realize that Putin is turning the light out on the country?

Russia's government operates with a different set of rules. It was the same during the Communist time. Its leaders are perfectly aware of the impact of their policies on their economy. Russia's novy nomenklatura would rather have 100% of 10 dollars than 10% of a million dollars. Mainly because the cost of losing power or favor usually means jail.

If someone tells me that 2 + 2 = 5, they are making a mistake. But Russia is saying that 2+2 = popcorn. They are operating with an entirely different set of logic.

That being said, Russia isn't exempt from the rules of economics. But Russia will take a lot more pain than other nations would due to its odd structure.

Thank god the last Russian member of my family moved here last month. She said the last month in Moscow was frightening. The Russian upper middle class elite, among which she operated, was terrified of what was going on in the economy. But they are more afraid of Putin. Many of them are looking for the exits. "Best to get out while the airport is still open". A lot of them will have trouble leaving. Unless you are a member of a persecuted group (LGBT Russians do get a pass as they can claim political asylum in any number of nations, including the USA), you don't get to flee immediately, but have to apply for a visa to immigrate. Many Russians don't speak other languages.

Russia's markets have been in a deep freeze for the last 2 weeks for the holiday. Monday's market open should be interesting.

Quote:One more reason why the gay community needs to quit biitching about how "horrible" they have it here in America where they get special treatment. But Lazy Tom doesn't care about terrorist issues or anything that deals with the world today unless it involves a gay.

Is this a joke?

You're asking gays to stop fighting for equal rights because "at least they get to drive".

(01-09-2015 11:08 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  

Quote:One more reason why the gay community needs to quit biitching about how "horrible" they have it here in America where they get special treatment. But Lazy Tom doesn't care about terrorist issues or anything that deals with the world today unless it involves a gay.

Is this a joke?

You're asking gays to stop fighting for equal rights because "at least they get to drive".

Nothing is more boring than hearing about someone's sexuality.

I don't care what turns somebody on.