Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
Author Message
GoodOwl Offline
The 1 Hoo Knocks
*

Posts: 25,432
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 2379
I Root For: New Horizons
Location: Planiverse
Post: #41
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
(01-08-2015 06:13 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  No.5 Atlanta. Isn't that where Georgia State is from?

yep.
01-08-2015 06:19 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GoodOwl Offline
The 1 Hoo Knocks
*

Posts: 25,432
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 2379
I Root For: New Horizons
Location: Planiverse
Post: #42
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
50 largest metropolitan statistical areas in the United States
Jan 15th, 2012

1. New York

The New York metropolitan area includes the largest city in the United States (New York City); counties comprising Long Island and the lower Hudson Valley in New York State; the six largest cities in New Jersey (Newark, Jersey City, Paterson, Elizabeth, Trenton, and Clifton) and their vicinities; six of the seven largest cities in Connecticut (Bridgeport, New Haven, Stamford, Waterbury, Norwalk, and Danbury), as well as their vicinities; and Pike County, Pennsylvania.

2. Los Angeles

The Los Angeles metropolitan area, also known as Metropolitan Los Angeles or the Southland, is the 13th largest metropolitan area in the world and the second-largest metropolitan area in the United States. It is entirely located in the southern portion of the U.S. State of California.

3. Chicago

4. Dallas–Fort Worth

Dallas is the third-largest city in the state of Texas and the ninth-largest in the United States. The Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex is the largest metropolitan area in the South and fourth-largest metropolitan area in the United States.

5. Philadelphia

Philadelphia is the largest city in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and the fifth-most-populous city in the United States.

6. Houston (where Rice U is located and in the middle of)

Houston is the largest city in the state of Texas, and the fourth-largest city in the United States. According to the 2010 U.S. Census, the city had a population of 2.1 million people within an area of 579 square miles (1,500 km2).

7. Washington

Washington, D.C., formally the District of Columbia and commonly referred to as Washington, “the District“, or simply D.C., is the capital of the United States.

8. Miami

Miami is a city located on the Atlantic coast in southeastern Florida and the county seat of Miami-Dade County, the most populous county in Florida and the eighth-most populous county in the United States with a population of 2,500,625.

9. Atlanta (where GA State U is right in middle of)

Atlanta is the most populous city in the U.S. state of Georgia. According to the 2010 census, immediate city of Atlanta’s population is 420,003 (Metro is around 6,500,000 give or take).

10. Boston

Boston is the capital of and largest city in Massachusetts, and is one of the oldest cities in the United States.

11. San Francisco–Oakland
12. Detroit
13. Riverside–San Bernardino


The Inland Empire – locally known as the I.E. – is a metropolitan area and region of Southern California. It is situated directly east of the Los Angeles metropolitan area. The term “Inland Empire” is most commonly used in reference to the U.S. Census Bureau’s federally defined Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario metropolitan area, which covers more than 27,000 square miles (70,000 km2). The metropolitan area consists of Riverside County and San Bernardino County (and for a more strict definition, only the urbanized and built up areas of these two counties immediately east of the Los Angeles metropolitan area).

The rest:

14. Phoenix
15. Seattle
16. Minneapolis–St. Paul
17. San Diego
18. St. Louis
19. Tampa–St. Petersburg
20. Baltimore
21. Denver–Aurora
22. Pittsburgh
23. Portland
24. Sacramento
25. San Antonio
26. Orlando
27. Cincinnati
28. Cleveland
29. Kansas City
30. Las Vegas
31. San Jose
32. Columbus, Ohio
33. Charlotte
34. Indianapolis
35. Austin
36. Virginia Beach–Norfolk
37. Providence
38. Nashville
39. Milwaukee
40. Jacksonville
41. Memphis
42. Louisville
43. Richmond
44. Oklahoma City
45. Hartford
46. New Orleans
47. Buffalo
48. Raleigh
49. Birmingham
50. Salt Lake City

edit: source: World City Information http://www.city-infos.com/50-largest-met...ed-states/
(This post was last modified: 01-08-2015 06:49 PM by GoodOwl.)
01-08-2015 06:25 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GoodOwl Offline
The 1 Hoo Knocks
*

Posts: 25,432
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 2379
I Root For: New Horizons
Location: Planiverse
Post: #43
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
Top 100 Television Markets
Rank Metropolitan Market Regions / Areas
1 New York
2 Los Angeles
3 Chicago
4 Philadelphia
5 Dallas-Ft. Worth
6 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose
7 Boston
8 Atlanta
9 Washington, DC
10 Houston
11 Detroit
12 Phoenix
13 Tampa-St. Petersburg
14 Seattle-Tacoma
15 Minneapolis-St. Paul
16 Miami-Ft.Lauderdale
17 Cleveland-Akron
18 Denver
19 Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne
20 Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto
21 St. Louis
22 Portland, OR
23 Pittsburgh
24 Charlotte, NC
25 Indianapolis
26 Baltimore
27 Raleigh-Durham
28 San Diego
29 Nashville
30 Hartford-New Haven
31 Kansas City
32 Columbus, OH
33 Salt Lake City
34 Cincinnati
35 Milwaukee
36 Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson
37 San Antonio
38 West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce
39 Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek
40 Birmingham
41 Harrisburg-Lancaster-Lebanon-York
42 Las Vegas
43 Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News
44 Albuquerque-Santa Fe
45 Oklahoma City
46 Greensboro-High Point-Winston-Salem
47 Jacksonville, FL
48 Memphis
49 Austin
50 Louisville
51 Buffalo
52 Providence-New Bedford
53 New Orleans
54 Wilkes Barre-Scranton
55 Fresno-Visalia
56 Little Rock-Pine Bluff
57 Albany-Schenectady-Troy
58 Richmond-Petersburg
59 Knoxville
60 Mobile-Pensacola
61 Tulsa
62 Ft. Myers-Naples
63 Lexington
64 Dayton
65 Charleston-Huntington
66 Flint-Saginaw-Bay City
67 Roanoke-Lynchburg
68 Tucson
69 Wichita-Hutchinson
70 Green Bay-Appleton
71 Des Moines-Ames
72 Honolulu
73 Toledo
74 Springfield, MO
75 Spokane
76 Omaha
77 Portland-Auburn
78 Paducah-Cape Girardeau-Harrisburg
79 Columbia, SC
80 Rochester, NY
81 Syracuse
82 Huntsville-Decatur
83 Champaign-Springfield-Decatur
84 Shreveport
85 Madison
86 Chattanooga
87 Harlingen-Weslaco-Brownsville-McAllen
88 Cedar Rapids-Waterloo-Iowa City-Dubuque
89 South Bend-Elkhart
90 Jackson, MS
91 Colorado Springs-Pueblo
92 Tri-Cities, TN-NC-VA
93 Burlington-Plattsburgh
94 Waco-Temple-Bryan
95 Baton Rouge
96 Savannah
97 Davenport-Rock Island-Moline
98 El Paso
99 Charleston, SC
100 Ft. Smith-Fayetteville-Springdale-Rogers

edit: source: Station Index- The Broadcasting Web Site http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets
(This post was last modified: 01-08-2015 06:29 PM by GoodOwl.)
01-08-2015 06:27 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GoodOwl Offline
The 1 Hoo Knocks
*

Posts: 25,432
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 2379
I Root For: New Horizons
Location: Planiverse
Post: #44
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
The Biggest Metro Areas in 2025 will be:
By G. Scott Thomas, BizJournals updated 6/7/2009

No one can foresee all of the economic twists and demographic turns that the coming two decades will bring, but BizJournals’ projections suggest a range of intriguing possibilities. Here are 10 of particular interest:

1. New York City will retain first place
New York City will retain first place by a comfortable margin.

The nation’s largest metropolitan area is the 23-county New York City region, which spills over into Long Island, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. It had 18.8 million residents in 2005, according to U.S. Census Bureau estimates. No. 2 Los Angeles was far behind at 12.8 million.

Los Angeles is growing more rapidly than New York, but not fast enough to close the gap appreciably. The two giants will still be separated by 5.8 million people in 2025, when New York has 19.8 million residents and Los Angeles has a shade more than 14 million.

2. Houston and Atlanta will climb into the top six
Houston was the nation’s seventh-largest metro in 2005, and Atlanta was No. 9. Both will be moving higher in coming years.

Houston is projected to shoot up to fifth place by 2025, adding almost 2.6 million people to reach a population of nearly 7.9 million. Atlanta is ticketed for sixth place at 7.3 million.

The top four metros, by the way, will maintain precisely the same order over the 20-year period: New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Dallas-Fort Worth.

3. Detroit will drop out of the top 10, with Phoenix replacing it
Detroit and Phoenix are two of the most economically troubled areas in America today, but their future prospects are considerably different.

Detroit is the only metro expected to slip from the top 10 during the next two decades. It’s projected to fall from 10th place in 2005 to 14th place in 2025, losing 59,500 residents during that span.

Phoenix, on the other hand, is likely to bounce back strongly from its current problems. Its projected 2025 population of 6.9 million will elevate it to seventh place, up from 13th in 2005.

4. Raleigh will set the fastest pace of any metropolitan area
The three-county Raleigh metro will virtually double its population during the study period. It had 953,000 residents in 2005, but should be closing in on 1.9 million by 2025.

That’s an increase of 97.7 percent in 20 years, which equals an annual growth rate of 3.5 percent. No other metro will expand as rapidly.

Five other areas are projected to increase their populations by more than 80 percent between 2005 and 2025. They are, in order of growth rate, Provo, Utah; Cape Coral-Fort Myers, Fla.; Ocala, Fla.; Austin; and Port St. Lucie, Fla.

5. 18 areas are expected to lose at least 5 percent of their current populations
The biggest declines are projected for two metros along the Gulf of Mexico — Gulfport, Miss., down 23 percent, and New Orleans, down 19.3 percent.

Both areas were devastated by Hurricanes Katrina and Rita in 2005. That damage affected their projection formulas, which were based on population trends from the past decade. It remains to be seen if the two metros will suffer long-term drops or will eventually recover from their short-term losses.

Most of the other projected decliners are industrial metros with fading manufacturing sectors such as Youngstown, Ohio (down 15.6 percent between 2005 and 2025); Buffalo, N.Y. (down 9.7 percent); and Cleveland (down 8.9 percent).

6. 7 metros currently in the top 50 will climb at least five places, led by Austin
Raleigh barely missed the top 50 in 2005, ranking 51st in metropolitan population. It’s projected to reach 38th place by 2025.

Austin is the only top 50 market that will match Raleigh’s upward mobility during the 20-year span, climbing 13 notches from 38th to 25th.

The runners-up among the top 50 will be Las Vegas and Charlotte, rising 10 places to 22nd and 27th respectively. Orlando will improve by nine places, and Jacksonville, Nashville and Phoenix will gain six each.

7. Cleveland will fall the farthest of any metro currently in the top 50.
Cleveland, with more than 2.1 million residents, ranked a respectable 23rd in 2005.

But the long-range outlook is gloomy. Cleveland is projected to lose 189,000 people by 2025, pushing its total down to 1.93 million. It will consequently plummet 14 places to 37th in the national standings.

Other major drops will be suffered by New Orleans (down 12 places), Pittsburgh (down 10), Buffalo (down eight) and Rochester, N.Y. (down seven).

8. 8 metros will join the million-plus club between 2005 and 2025.
Two have already crossed the line, with Raleigh’s population reaching 1 million in November 2006 and Tucson following suit in September 2008.

Next up is Fresno, Calif., which is projected to hit seven figures in April 2015. It will be followed by Bakersfield, Calif.; Cape Coral-Fort Myers, Fla.; McAllen-Edinburg, Texas; Albuquerque; and Tulsa.

The latter is expected to hit 1 million in July 2025, just a few days after its projected July 1 population of 999,753.

9. A few others will reach higher population milestones
Ten metros are projected to pass the 2 million mark during the 2005-2025 period. Four areas will top 3 million, and three apiece will zip past the 4 million or 5 million thresholds.

Chicago will reach the most dramatic milestone of all in February 2020, when it hits 10 million, joining New York and Los Angeles as the only metros with eight-figure populations.

10. Some smaller places will move rapidly up the charts
Gainesville, Ga., and Ocala, Fla., will never be mistaken for major metropolitan areas. They collectively had just 466,000 residents in 2005, and they’ll remain well short of a million by 2025.

But both will make considerable progress in the population standings, climbing 50 places in 20 years. Ocala will jump from 151st place in 2005 to 101st in 2025, and Gainesville will soar from 233rd to 183rd.

Five other areas will gain at least 40 positions: Kennewick, Wash.; Myrtle Beach, S.C.; Port St. Lucie, Fla.; and Prescott and Yuma, Ariz.

source: BizJournals article on Local Business on nbcnews.com http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31130897/ns/bu...tro-areas/
01-08-2015 06:47 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Native Georgian Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 27,626
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 1042
I Root For: TULANE+GA.STATE
Location: Decatur GA
Post: #45
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
(01-08-2015 06:13 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  No.5 Atlanta. Isn't that where Georgia State is from?
My guess is that every member of C-USA (possible exceptions for UTEP and UTSA) has a very significant alumni presence in metro Atlanta, and either has or would like to have a strong recruiting-presence there, too.
01-08-2015 06:52 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
HogDawg Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,354
Joined: Dec 2003
Reputation: 549
I Root For: LA Tech
Location: FranklinTNMcKinneyTX
Post: #46
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
(01-08-2015 01:05 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 10:45 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  We need to improve our hoops perception, no doubt about it; but football drives the bus. Why would a Wichita St. or VCU abandon tons of hoops credits to make an expensive lateral hoops move? They wouldn't unless they wanted to play high level football; and there's been no noise around that. So a high level hoops progam won't move to C-USA....so any new theoretical addition needs to be focused on generating more football revenue or increasing the conferences profile.

We were fortunate to get Charlotte and ODU for hoops but that well now appears dry.

To your post, here is something to think about: any market available from this list?

The Top 25 television markets for college football
Posted on August 29, 2012 11:00 am by John Clay

ESPN’s public relations department has put out a release ranking the top 25 college football markets by viewership.

The top 25 college football markets for 2011:

No. 1 Birmingham: 5.9 rating
No. 2 Oklahoma City: 4.3 rating
No. 2 Columbus: 4.3 rating
No. 4 Greenville: 4.1 rating
No. 5 New Orleans: 3.4 rating
No. 5 Atlanta: 3.4 rating
No. 7 Jacksonville: 3.3 rating
No. 7 Tulsa: 3.3 rating
No. 9 Las Vegas: 3.2 rating
No. 10 Knoxville: 3.0 rating
No. 11 Dayton: 2.8 rating
No. 12 Greensboro: 2.7 rating
No. 12 Austin: 2.7 rating
No. 12 Charlotte: 2.7 rating
No. 12 Fort Myers: 2.7 rating
No. 16 Pittsburgh: 2.5 rating
No. 16 Nashville: 2.5 rating
No. 16 Norfolk: 2.5 rating
No. 16 Memphis: 2.5
No. 20 Cleveland: 2.4
No. 21 Orlando: 2.3
No. 22 Raleigh-Durham: 2.2
No. 22 West Palm Beach: 2.2
No. 22 Detroit: 2.2
No. 25 Cincinnati: 2.0
No. 25 Richmond: 2.0
No. 25 Portland 2.0
No. 25 Kansas City: 2.0
No. 25 Tampa-St. Petersburg: 2.0

So, no Dallas? No Ft Worth? No Houston? Not sure I believe those numbers.
01-08-2015 07:01 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GoodOwl Offline
The 1 Hoo Knocks
*

Posts: 25,432
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 2379
I Root For: New Horizons
Location: Planiverse
Post: #47
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
I posted these lists to provide for some more meaningful context for each of our preferences in terms of any possible C-USA adjustments/expansions.

Remember, $$ and TV markets are driving these decisions, not individual fan preferences.
01-08-2015 07:02 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GoodOwl Offline
The 1 Hoo Knocks
*

Posts: 25,432
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 2379
I Root For: New Horizons
Location: Planiverse
Post: #48
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
(01-08-2015 07:01 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 01:05 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 10:45 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  We need to improve our hoops perception, no doubt about it; but football drives the bus. Why would a Wichita St. or VCU abandon tons of hoops credits to make an expensive lateral hoops move? They wouldn't unless they wanted to play high level football; and there's been no noise around that. So a high level hoops progam won't move to C-USA....so any new theoretical addition needs to be focused on generating more football revenue or increasing the conferences profile.

We were fortunate to get Charlotte and ODU for hoops but that well now appears dry.

To your post, here is something to think about: any market available from this list?

The Top 25 television markets for college football
Posted on August 29, 2012 11:00 am by John Clay

ESPN’s public relations department has put out a release ranking the top 25 college football markets by viewership.

So, no Dallas? No Ft Worth? No Houston? Not sure I believe those numbers.

Tell it to John Clay at ESPN. Source: http://johnclay.bloginky.com/2012/08/29/...-football/
01-08-2015 07:05 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
HogDawg Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,354
Joined: Dec 2003
Reputation: 549
I Root For: LA Tech
Location: FranklinTNMcKinneyTX
Post: #49
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
(01-08-2015 07:02 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  I posted these lists to provide for some more meaningful context for each of our preferences in terms of any possible C-USA adjustments/expansions.

Remember, $$ and TV markets are driving these decisions, not individual fan preferences.

As much as I appreciate your list, you'll never convince me that the DFW area doesn't belong near the top of ANY college football TV viewer list. This area is absolutely loaded with local colleges playing FBS football AND their alumni.

Almost anyhere you turn, you'll see alumni from SMU, Baylor, TCU, UNT, OU, OSU, UT-Austin, TX A&M, and on and on and on. The area also draws several "neutral site" games for big out-of-state schools each year (e.g., LSU vs Wisconsin this year) and is the home to 4 college bowl games and the national championship game. Combine this local interest with the DFW market's #4 position in overall TV market ratings, and your list loses credibility quickly.

I highly suspect some stated "qualifiers" have been left out of your list. For example, maybe your list explicitly excluded Top 10 media markets, or maybe it only includes towns with the highest per centage of local viewership watching college football...but not necessarily the most TV's watching college football. I could certainly see how a larger per centage of local viewers in Birmingham, AL might be watching college football than the per centage of people in Dallas doing the same....but not more total TV's!! I suspect some kind of qualifier was overlooked on your part.
(This post was last modified: 01-08-2015 07:22 PM by HogDawg.)
01-08-2015 07:19 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GoodOwl Offline
The 1 Hoo Knocks
*

Posts: 25,432
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 2379
I Root For: New Horizons
Location: Planiverse
Post: #50
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
(01-08-2015 07:19 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 07:02 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  I posted these lists to provide for some more meaningful context for each of our preferences in terms of any possible C-USA adjustments/expansions.

Remember, $$ and TV markets are driving these decisions, not individual fan preferences.

As much as I appreciate your list, you'll never convince me that the DFW area doesn't belong near the top of ANY college football TV viewer list. This area is absolutely loaded with local colleges playing FBS football AND their alumni.

Almost anyhere you turn, you'll see alumni from SMU, Baylor, TCU, UNT, OU, OSU, UT-Austin, TX A&M, and on and on and on. The area also draws several "neutral site" games for big out-of-state schools each year (e.g., LSU vs Wisconsin this year) and is the home to 4 college bowl games and the national championship game. Combine this local interest with the DFW market's #4 position in overall TV market ratings, and your list loses credibility quickly.

I highly suspect some stated "qualifiers" have been left out of your list. For example, maybe your list explicitly excluded Top 10 media markets, or maybe it only includes towns with the highest per centage of local viewership watching college football...but not necessarily the most TV's watching college football. I could certainly see how a larger per centage of local viewers in Birmingham, AL might be watching college football than the per centage of people in Dallas doing the same....but not more total TV's!! I suspect some kind of qualifier was overlooked on your part.

Not my list. Not trying to say anything bad about Dallas area at all. Just searched some stuff and posted for reference to the question of adds/subtractions from C-USA in this thread. Tell it to John Clay at ESPN. Source: http://johnclay.bloginky.com/2012/08/29/...-football/

I like Dallas. Have you ever seen Dallas from a DC-9 at Night?


(This post was last modified: 01-08-2015 07:41 PM by GoodOwl.)
01-08-2015 07:34 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GoodOwl Offline
The 1 Hoo Knocks
*

Posts: 25,432
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 2379
I Root For: New Horizons
Location: Planiverse
Post: #51
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
...and Houston makes me think of this song..or vice-versa! Thanks, Dino! Nice harp work there, kiddo!


01-08-2015 07:40 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GoodOwl Offline
The 1 Hoo Knocks
*

Posts: 25,432
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 2379
I Root For: New Horizons
Location: Planiverse
Post: #52
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
So back to topic, and the lists I posted on previous page, from a couple of web searches. I agree with the poster who said it is by far football, not basketball, that drives college athletics and particularly conference changes. I would hope that current schools invest and endeavor to improve their basketball teams and schedules themselves.

Rice certainly looks to be trying to do better finally. Invested in recent major renovations/expansions of basketball and support facilities, new head coach with a very decent pedigree, and increased recruiting and coaches' budgets. Look for good things for Rice in both team and schedule improvement next few years. We will be helping bring conference RPI up shortly and remove at least one drag from CUSA. Each school can help by following suit, as others have mentioned in this thread.

I believe that if CUSA were to make any changes they would do best to keep in mind markets and demographic data, so I posted some for easier reference. I believe recruiting for all current CUSA schools is better served by adding a larger, centrally located market if possible, and once that complements rather than opposes, the current conference footprint (UMass makes very little sense to me for CUSA.) Which points me away from small towns and redundant markets. Too, the replacement would ostensibly be for UAB, basically next door for our purposes to Atlanta, GA. Their loss would be conference's gain.

I have said before GA State makes most sense to me because it is a rapidly growing school in the middle of a large market that is most easily accessible to all current members due to its location a few miles from world's largest airport. Its administration has made and is making the financial and infrastructure commitment to make football and athletics a priority as they understand how important football in particular and sports in general is to a university's branding and notoriety in today's America. It had a bad season in football this year, but will keep improving and rise up over the coming years, especially if/when they buy Turner Field from Braves and revamp it into their new college football stadium/sports/second academic campus. GA State basketball is certainly sound, has a bit of NCAA history already, and poised for further growth and success. Baseball is good as well.

In addition, the GA Board of regents very recently approved merging GA State with another local Atlanta college, nearly doubling enrollment and thus available student fees for athletics overnight. Will have about 54,000 total students and be GA's largest University. Reminds me of UCF in FL when I lived right down the road from it in Orlando back in early 90's. Was a sleepy little commuter school, but grew quickly into what it is today in almost no time. Ga State is on that same trajectory. They will be snapped up by another conference within 10 years. And they are not controlled by another University's BOT like the situation in AL with UAB.
01-08-2015 08:20 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Native Georgian Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 27,626
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 1042
I Root For: TULANE+GA.STATE
Location: Decatur GA
Post: #53
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
Excellent points by GoodOwl. The comparison with UCF is apt.

The Turner Field project is still up in the air, but from everything I'm hearing the City of Atlanta and Fulton County are "pro-Georgia State" and will be as helpful as they can be to enable the plan to move forward. We shall see.
01-09-2015 12:34 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Rojogrande Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,252
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 68
I Root For: WKU
Location:
Post: #54
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
Ga State basketball facilities are horrendous though. You all that think FIU and FAU are bad haven't seen anything. Their court is literally on the 3rd floor of the sports complex with the 3rd and 4th stories being where seating is located. Yes you read that right.
01-09-2015 01:56 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Saint Greg Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,111
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 133
I Root For: Louisiana Tech
Location:
Post: #55
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
(01-09-2015 01:56 AM)Rojogrande Wrote:  Ga State basketball facilities are horrendous though. You all that think FIU and FAU are bad haven't seen anything. Their court is literally on the 3rd floor of the sports complex with the 3rd and 4th stories being where seating is located. Yes you read that right.

Make it a requirement they get a new basketball facility.
01-09-2015 02:51 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Rojogrande Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,252
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 68
I Root For: WKU
Location:
Post: #56
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
Space in downtown Atlanta isn't exactly easy to come by. And GSU no where close to being able to deliver even 1/100 of that Atlanta market everyone wants. Market does no good when teams mean little in those markets.

You all really want to take a chance on a program like GSU that has little to no history of sustained success just on the hope that they might become the next UCF? If they don't you can't boot them and then you still have no market value and a bad product. Best option is going with a proven product. One that has proven commitment over time to success. And not just a few years here and there.
(This post was last modified: 01-09-2015 04:14 AM by Rojogrande.)
01-09-2015 04:12 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
49erlew Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 970
Joined: Apr 2012
Reputation: 52
I Root For: Charlotte
Location: Charlottesville, VA
Post: #57
C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
GA State basketball facility is still better than FAU's.

I'm all for GA State if they announce a new stadium and basketball arena. Until then, no thanks.
01-09-2015 06:46 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
FIUFan Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,498
Joined: Aug 2009
Reputation: 96
I Root For: FIU
Location: Coral Gables, FL
Post: #58
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
Ga. State makes sense demographically but are a good 10 years away, UMass brings a NE presence and some hoops cred' but not much else and NIU is far, far away. This sheds light on just how barren the landscape really is for C-USA to add a school, esp. when there is no pressing need to do so. So unless a great hoops school really, really wants to add FBS football our only choice is the status quo until the big boys start pushing over dominoes again.
01-09-2015 09:43 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
WKUFan518 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,980
Joined: Mar 2009
Reputation: 126
I Root For: WKU
Location: Lexington KY
Post: #59
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
Ga St. would be a disaster add.....Akron would be all of the same with market and proven success on the courts and field.....I think they are also building a new arena at some point....Went to their gym to watch Lebron in high school, while it was high schoolish it has to be much better than a Parks and REc gym Georgia St. has...WKU has better basketball courts for our students that Ga. St. gym....
(This post was last modified: 01-09-2015 10:46 AM by WKUFan518.)
01-09-2015 10:46 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Niner National Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 11,603
Joined: Mar 2012
Reputation: 494
I Root For: Charlotte 49ers
Location:
Post: #60
RE: C-USA Basketball should go to 16 teams
(01-08-2015 08:20 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  So back to topic, and the lists I posted on previous page, from a couple of web searches. I agree with the poster who said it is by far football, not basketball, that drives college athletics and particularly conference changes. I would hope that current schools invest and endeavor to improve their basketball teams and schedules themselves.

Rice certainly looks to be trying to do better finally. Invested in recent major renovations/expansions of basketball and support facilities, new head coach with a very decent pedigree, and increased recruiting and coaches' budgets. Look for good things for Rice in both team and schedule improvement next few years. We will be helping bring conference RPI up shortly and remove at least one drag from CUSA. Each school can help by following suit, as others have mentioned in this thread.

I believe that if CUSA were to make any changes they would do best to keep in mind markets and demographic data, so I posted some for easier reference. I believe recruiting for all current CUSA schools is better served by adding a larger, centrally located market if possible, and once that complements rather than opposes, the current conference footprint (UMass makes very little sense to me for CUSA.) Which points me away from small towns and redundant markets. Too, the replacement would ostensibly be for UAB, basically next door for our purposes to Atlanta, GA. Their loss would be conference's gain.

I have said before GA State makes most sense to me because it is a rapidly growing school in the middle of a large market that is most easily accessible to all current members due to its location a few miles from world's largest airport. Its administration has made and is making the financial and infrastructure commitment to make football and athletics a priority as they understand how important football in particular and sports in general is to a university's branding and notoriety in today's America. It had a bad season in football this year, but will keep improving and rise up over the coming years, especially if/when they buy Turner Field from Braves and revamp it into their new college football stadium/sports/second academic campus. GA State basketball is certainly sound, has a bit of NCAA history already, and poised for further growth and success. Baseball is good as well.

In addition, the GA Board of regents very recently approved merging GA State with another local Atlanta college, nearly doubling enrollment and thus available student fees for athletics overnight. Will have about 54,000 total students and be GA's largest University. Reminds me of UCF in FL when I lived right down the road from it in Orlando back in early 90's. Was a sleepy little commuter school, but grew quickly into what it is today in almost no time. Ga State is on that same trajectory. They will be snapped up by another conference within 10 years. And they are not controlled by another University's BOT like the situation in AL with UAB.
I have a good feeling about Rice actually. I look forward to seeing how you guys progress in the coming years.
01-09-2015 11:39 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.