(01-07-2015 02:14 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  Shaq at TE!!

Don't think so. He can't even catch or hold on to a roundball

This is like mutiny, but they cant blame it all on Pastner. Everybody on the team wants to jack up a shot regardless if rebounders are in position etc. This is junior high stuff and is selfishness. We needed a pass first PG and JLB may have been right about Chiozza. Up 5 and Pookie jacks a 3 just after crossing mid court instead of feeding the post, leads to run that Tulane made and we never recover. Our players are talented but some of them are legends in their own minds, including Iverson. Yes Josh has a hard head, its too bad he didnt hire a legit x and o guy, but it was his decision repeatedly. He needed a veteran beside him all along. I dont think Josh survives this as folks are tired of under performing year after year. We need a high low with Austin at 15 ft and Shaq inside. Iverson is a bust. Pearl could right the ship otherwise we are sinking for awhile.

(01-07-2015 07:26 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  This is like mutiny, but they cant blame it all on Pastner. Everybody on the team wants to jack up a shot regardless if rebounders are in position etc. This is junior high stuff and is selfishness. We needed a pass first PG and JLB may have been right about Chiozza. Up 5 and Pookie jacks a 3 just after crossing mid court instead of feeding the post, leads to run that Tulane made and we never recover. Our players are talented but some of them are legends in their own minds, including Iverson. Yes Josh has a hard head, its too bad he didnt hire a legit x and o guy, but it was his decision repeatedly. He needed a veteran beside him all along. I dont think Josh survives this as folks are tired of under performing year after year. We need a high low with Austin at 15 ft and Shaq inside. Iverson is a bust. Pearl could right the ship otherwise we are sinking for awhile.

I agree about the player making poor decisions. However, whose job is it to make sure the players execute the game plan?

I've telling everybody for two years that this was boiling over...and at some point....it isn't over either. CJP plays favorites..he's hot and cold on his players..they never know which direction he's coming from...plays favorites then next day you're in dog house...etc

Told U!

(01-07-2015 05:19 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 05:17 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 04:44 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 04:42 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 04:32 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  That's what fathers, uncles, grandfathers, mothers, grandmothers, aunts, big brothers, big sisters, teachers, principals, pastors, and mentors are for. Like I said, I'm not giving Pastner a pass, but some of these kids have to suck it up, too.

Im only talking about the job coach Pastner does as a leader relative to other coaches. Plenty of programs bring in kids who are a little misguided but a good coach wontallow this type of circus to go on. The responsibilty is "shared" ofcourse but it starts with coach Pastner. If these kids continue to see the same tyoe of chaos that they have seen at home then the results are a nobrainer. Pastner's JOB is to start by developing structure and if they still act a fool then its on the player. But until the structure is develooed the chances of success with a kid with any issues is low is any situation.

Totally agree. But if the kid hasn't been exposed to structure by the time he's 17 or 18 years old, the odds that he will buy into a coach's structure are very low.

Whose fault is it that he's on the team, in that case?

The coach recruits the players.
The coach implements the structure/system.

The players of course need to have heart, but if the coach can't get this many players to buy in over multiple years, then it's one of two things:
1. the coach is ineffective, or
2. the coach is recruiting the wrong players.

Either way, that fault lies with the coach.

This.

Yep. Everything is on the coach. No other way around it. His program.

The Memphis program was NEVER about players...it isn't a players first program..it is a CJP...and he has double standards and his players may not be book smart but they are street smart....caving in.

(01-07-2015 02:21 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 02:20 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 02:19 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 02:17 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 02:16 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  WTF is going on here today?

The Pazzening!!

Tomorrow's game going to be really interesting with what's going on here today

Hopefully, the players rally and play with some pride.

I hope so too

That makes few of us....most seem to be really loving this. What a shame.

what is a shame is a fake want to be coach..get over by playing mind games with young men and their aspirations...not to mention pocketing 2.65 million dollars..I hope he finds another job so we don't have to pay buyout...pull a C Martin move.

People need to evaluate the truth and NOT vote with their emotions...being morally nice doesn't mean you are effective and expert in your field. $2.65 means you're an expert...and CJP has been struggling since DAY 1.

Now we know how good JJ, CC, AT, TB WERE but could NEVER get on the same page as their coach...

(01-07-2015 03:24 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 03:23 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  Shaq's biggest problem had absolutely nothing to do with coaching. The issue is between the ears

Yeah. Same with Tarik, Joe, etc.. Haha

WHO and Joe ?

(01-07-2015 08:19 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 03:24 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 03:23 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  Shaq's biggest problem had absolutely nothing to do with coaching. The issue is between the ears

Yeah. Same with Tarik, Joe, etc.. Haha

WHO and Joe ?

JJ, AT, TB came with all kinds of confidence...JJ was a scorer...and first semester CJP hired a shooting coach to play with JJ shot...didn't need it...in fact killed his confidence....

Over coaches and over critical of his players when he as a coach is flawed as well....is my point...

(01-07-2015 08:19 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 03:24 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 03:23 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  Shaq's biggest problem had absolutely nothing to do with coaching. The issue is between the ears

Yeah. Same with Tarik, Joe, etc.. Haha

WHO and Joe ?

This is getting to be pretty much spam at this point.

(01-07-2015 05:23 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 05:14 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 05:09 PM)dwash Wrote:  Pastner cant even handle a guy like Nick King who is unhappy and Nick King really isnt bad at all he just wants to able to play his game that will allow him to shine and make lots of money one day.

And that's a whole different problem.

Not totally. Almost every player Pastner has had a so called problem with is underperforming on the court based on his perceived expectations and expectations of the public. Not shining on the court for whatever reason is the root of all problems the bickering we see is the aftermath.

Maybe the players frustrations stemmed from the system and game plan and substitution pattern of their head coach that they could see was not working

So they feel they are under performing due to the coach.

(01-07-2015 05:09 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 04:44 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 04:42 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 04:32 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 04:22 PM)dwash Wrote:  Maybe more would with a real leader that they can follow.

That's what fathers, uncles, grandfathers, mothers, grandmothers, aunts, big brothers, big sisters, teachers, principals, pastors, and mentors are for. Like I said, I'm not giving Pastner a pass, but some of these kids have to suck it up, too.

Im only talking about the job coach Pastner does as a leader relative to other coaches. Plenty of programs bring in kids who are a little misguided but a good coach wontallow this type of circus to go on. The responsibilty is "shared" ofcourse but it starts with coach Pastner. If these kids continue to see the same tyoe of chaos that they have seen at home then the results are a nobrainer. Pastner's JOB is to start by developing structure and if they still act a fool then its on the player. But until the structure is develooed the chances of success with a kid with any issues is low is any situation.

Totally agree. But if the kid hasn't been exposed to structure by the time he's 17 or 18 years old, the odds that he will buy into a coach's structure are very low.

Possibly depending on how bad the problem is. If the kid is exceptionally bad then he maybe hard to reach. But if his problem is something like a mild case of cockiness then he shouldnt be that hard to reach. I mean I was at u of m around the players during the Cal ers and let me tell you there was no shortage of cockiness running around there. Almost all of them believed that they were surefired NBA material. But Cal gets to them. I mean look at how he worked with Demarcus Cousins. Now imagine Pastner trying to handle a Cousins and all that attitude. He wouldnt be half of what he is today. Now look at where Cousins is and his success had a lot to do with Cal. Pastner cant even handle a guy like Nick King who is unhappy and Nick King really isnt bad at all he just wants to able to play his game that will allow him to shine and make lots of money one day. Pastner is losig too many not to point the finger at him first.

Cousins is still a screw-up. Come on.

(01-08-2015 03:22 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 05:09 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 04:44 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 04:42 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 04:32 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  That's what fathers, uncles, grandfathers, mothers, grandmothers, aunts, big brothers, big sisters, teachers, principals, pastors, and mentors are for. Like I said, I'm not giving Pastner a pass, but some of these kids have to suck it up, too.

Im only talking about the job coach Pastner does as a leader relative to other coaches. Plenty of programs bring in kids who are a little misguided but a good coach wontallow this type of circus to go on. The responsibilty is "shared" ofcourse but it starts with coach Pastner. If these kids continue to see the same tyoe of chaos that they have seen at home then the results are a nobrainer. Pastner's JOB is to start by developing structure and if they still act a fool then its on the player. But until the structure is develooed the chances of success with a kid with any issues is low is any situation.

Totally agree. But if the kid hasn't been exposed to structure by the time he's 17 or 18 years old, the odds that he will buy into a coach's structure are very low.

Possibly depending on how bad the problem is. If the kid is exceptionally bad then he maybe hard to reach. But if his problem is something like a mild case of cockiness then he shouldnt be that hard to reach. I mean I was at u of m around the players during the Cal ers and let me tell you there was no shortage of cockiness running around there. Almost all of them believed that they were surefired NBA material. But Cal gets to them. I mean look at how he worked with Demarcus Cousins. Now imagine Pastner trying to handle a Cousins and all that attitude. He wouldnt be half of what he is today. Now look at where Cousins is and his success had a lot to do with Cal. Pastner cant even handle a guy like Nick King who is unhappy and Nick King really isnt bad at all he just wants to able to play his game that will allow him to shine and make lots of money one day. Pastner is losig too many not to point the finger at him first.

Cousins is still a screw-up. Come on.

You are correct he didn't fix Cousins, but he managed his personality well enough while at UK to allow him to be a productive player at UK.