(01-06-2015 09:02 PM)Old School Flash Wrote:  

(01-06-2015 11:50 AM)Policiious Wrote:  http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/...ompetition

Talk about an embarassment of riches; Braxton Miller the 2012 & 13 Tribune Silver Football Winner, JT Barrett finished in the top 5 of the Heisman voting while Cardale Jones led the Buckeyes to a 59-0 routing of Wisky in the B10 title game and a Sugar Bowl win over favored Alabama. If he leads OSU to a national championship win over Oregon, there is no way he is not going to be OSU's starter for 15 which means
2 QB's who if healthy would be starting for many P5 and most G5 programs will be grabbing some bench.

Any MAC programs with OSU alums as head or assistant coaches who may have an inside track to pick up one of these 3 as a transfer? This will get very interesting as we head into spring

You must be joking, right? No way in hell any of these 3 is dropping all the way down to a MAC school.

And therein lies a major problem with too many fans of this league to think that a player from a P5 program that can't get playing time at their current school wouldn't ever consider a MAC program.

If Barrett doesn't start next year and graduates in spring 2016, he'd be foolish not to consider NIU or WMU.

(01-07-2015 09:51 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  I've heard Miller to FSU, probably more prevalent now that Jameis is gone.
I'd bet Jones leaves over Barrett, if Barrett leaves, he'll go Big 12, he's from Texas. Jones, I have no clue where he would go, but I'd say a place like Cincy is more likely than a MAC school.
I read Golson to LSU is pretty likely, but after the Miami mention, that wouldn't be a huge shock. He knows the coach, knows he'd be the starter, good academics (yes, I know he was a cheater or whatever)

Any NFL team that drafts Winston is digging themselves a bigger hole than Cleveland has with Johnny Football

Braxton: He'll go to a BCS school and play a year.
Barrett: Probably OSU's starter next year.
Jones: RS Soph, so unless he's going FCS (he won't), transferring doesn't make sense. Probably comes back and competes with Barrett and then transfer after next year if he wants.

(01-08-2015 04:08 PM)7 Wrote:  Braxton: He'll go to a BCS school and play a year.
Barrett: Probably OSU's starter next year.
Jones: RS Soph, so unless he's going FCS (he won't), transferring doesn't make sense. Probably comes back and competes with Barrett and then transfer after next year if he wants.

Or declare for the draft. Todd McShay said that wouldn't be the craziest thing in the world with this years weak QB class. Jones is eligible at 22 and 3 years out of HS.

(01-08-2015 03:26 PM)Policiious Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 09:51 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  I've heard Miller to FSU, probably more prevalent now that Jameis is gone.
I'd bet Jones leaves over Barrett, if Barrett leaves, he'll go Big 12, he's from Texas. Jones, I have no clue where he would go, but I'd say a place like Cincy is more likely than a MAC school.
I read Golson to LSU is pretty likely, but after the Miami mention, that wouldn't be a huge shock. He knows the coach, knows he'd be the starter, good academics (yes, I know he was a cheater or whatever)

Any NFL team that drafts Winston is digging themselves a bigger hole than Cleveland has with Johnny Football

this is silly talk. winston is a sure thing solid nfl qb. he has better skills and understanding of the game and qb position than any qb out of college in past decade, sans maybe andrew luck.

the fact that he has gotten into food fights, bb gun battles and shoplifted cause some concern (and i don't take the dismissed rape charge lightly, although if you read the investigative report it comes off as totally consensual).

manziel has had constant concerns about his approach to the game, willingness to prepare properly, heavy partying, not to mention issues with his size and an average nfl arm.

winston poses a few risks as he isn't the most mature kid off the field, but as a football player he is very serious and far surpasses manziel in talent and size.

all this talk about a qb being "the CEO of your organization" -Mel (Never played or coached football) Kiper - is overplayed. Football players aren't role models, CEOs, doctors, social service coordinators. If they prepare properly, work at the fine points of the game and have enough speed, size or skill they succeed and we cheer for them.

(01-06-2015 12:14 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Not sure, but I don't think it's a given that Barrett will transfer if OSU wins next week. Zac Dysert kept the starting job in 2011 even after Austin Boucher filled in and led us to the MAC championship and Godaddy Bowl wins. The stakes are obviously a lot higher, but over an entire season OSU can't be certain that Jones will be effective, they can for Barrett.

I don't think Miller will 'stoop' down to the MAC. He'll look for an upper-tier G5 if I had to guess (see Gunner Kiel transferring from Notre Dame to UC).

Speaking of Notre Dame, there's been some speculation that Miami may have the inside track on getting Everett Golson to transfer like Hendrix this year. I'd welcome him with open arms because our QB situation next year looks relatively bleak, but part of me just wants to start someone we already have so they gain experience. Even with Golson the odds of us going bowling are very slim, not getting another transfer could be better for us in the long run.

One thing here, Gunner Kiel did visit Miami before checking out UC, but that was the offseason when Coach Treadwell had the brilliant idea of switching to an option attack so Kiel quickly moved on. Miami has had 3 NFL QB's ( Big Ben, Josh Betts, and Zac Dysert) plus one Arena League starter in the last 12 years, plus Hendrix may well end up in an NFL camp this summer. That is as many pro QB's as any school in the country over this time period.

(01-08-2015 06:55 PM)pono Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 03:26 PM)Policiious Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 09:51 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  I've heard Miller to FSU, probably more prevalent now that Jameis is gone.
I'd bet Jones leaves over Barrett, if Barrett leaves, he'll go Big 12, he's from Texas. Jones, I have no clue where he would go, but I'd say a place like Cincy is more likely than a MAC school.
I read Golson to LSU is pretty likely, but after the Miami mention, that wouldn't be a huge shock. He knows the coach, knows he'd be the starter, good academics (yes, I know he was a cheater or whatever)

Any NFL team that drafts Winston is digging themselves a bigger hole than Cleveland has with Johnny Football

this is silly talk. winston is a sure thing solid nfl qb. he has better skills and understanding of the game and qb position than any qb out of college in past decade, sans maybe andrew luck.

the fact that he has gotten into food fights, bb gun battles and shoplifted cause some concern (and i don't take the dismissed rape charge lightly, although if you read the investigative report it comes off as totally consensual).

manziel has had constant concerns about his approach to the game, willingness to prepare properly, heavy partying, not to mention issues with his size and an average nfl arm.

winston poses a few risks as he isn't the most mature kid off the field, but as a football player he is very serious and far surpasses manziel in talent and size.

all this talk about a qb being "the CEO of your organization" -Mel (Never played or coached football) Kiper - is overplayed. Football players aren't role models, CEOs, doctors, social service coordinators. If they prepare properly, work at the fine points of the game and have enough speed, size or skill they succeed and we cheer for them.

NFL QB is the hardest position to play in sport. You must have a mind - skill is not enough. Winston is as skilled as they come, but he is NO sure thing. His off the field antics raise serious question about his judgement and discretion.

(01-08-2015 03:24 PM)Policiious Wrote:  

(01-06-2015 09:02 PM)Old School Flash Wrote:  

(01-06-2015 11:50 AM)Policiious Wrote:  http://www.si.com/college-football/2014/...ompetition

Talk about an embarassment of riches; Braxton Miller the 2012 & 13 Tribune Silver Football Winner, JT Barrett finished in the top 5 of the Heisman voting while Cardale Jones led the Buckeyes to a 59-0 routing of Wisky in the B10 title game and a Sugar Bowl win over favored Alabama. If he leads OSU to a national championship win over Oregon, there is no way he is not going to be OSU's starter for 15 which means
2 QB's who if healthy would be starting for many P5 and most G5 programs will be grabbing some bench.

Any MAC programs with OSU alums as head or assistant coaches who may have an inside track to pick up one of these 3 as a transfer? This will get very interesting as we head into spring

You must be joking, right? No way in hell any of these 3 is dropping all the way down to a MAC school.

And therein lies a major problem with too many fans of this league to think that a player from a P5 program that can't get playing time at their current school wouldn't ever consider a MAC program.

If Barrett doesn't start next year and graduates in spring 2016, he'd be foolish not to consider NIU or WMU.

For the record, I love The MAC and I know many great players have come out of the league. I simply do not recall any Heisman candidates (Miller and Barrett) or even any successful P5 starters (Cardale) who transferred to a MAC school. Each of the three mentioned above would have so many P5 schools coming at them that it would be a miracle if they chose a NIU or WMU over a Texas A&M or a Florida Gator type program. Most of the MAC stars were not highly sought by the P5 schools.

(01-08-2015 03:24 PM)Policiious Wrote:  And therein lies a major problem with too many fans of this league to think that a player from a P5 program that can't get playing time at their current school wouldn't ever consider a MAC program.

These particular ones ... no, they wouldn't. Because of the options available to them among P5 programs.

The "problem" you refer to is that all too many fans of this league understand how the world works.

Quote: If Barrett doesn't start next year and graduates in spring 2016, he'd be foolish not to consider NIU or WMU.

Not if he has firm offers from a mid-tier to upper tier P5 school, which he would have.

(01-08-2015 11:13 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 06:55 PM)pono Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 03:26 PM)Policiious Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 09:51 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  I've heard Miller to FSU, probably more prevalent now that Jameis is gone.
I'd bet Jones leaves over Barrett, if Barrett leaves, he'll go Big 12, he's from Texas. Jones, I have no clue where he would go, but I'd say a place like Cincy is more likely than a MAC school.
I read Golson to LSU is pretty likely, but after the Miami mention, that wouldn't be a huge shock. He knows the coach, knows he'd be the starter, good academics (yes, I know he was a cheater or whatever)

Any NFL team that drafts Winston is digging themselves a bigger hole than Cleveland has with Johnny Football

this is silly talk. winston is a sure thing solid nfl qb. he has better skills and understanding of the game and qb position than any qb out of college in past decade, sans maybe andrew luck.

the fact that he has gotten into food fights, bb gun battles and shoplifted cause some concern (and i don't take the dismissed rape charge lightly, although if you read the investigative report it comes off as totally consensual).

manziel has had constant concerns about his approach to the game, willingness to prepare properly, heavy partying, not to mention issues with his size and an average nfl arm.

winston poses a few risks as he isn't the most mature kid off the field, but as a football player he is very serious and far surpasses manziel in talent and size.

all this talk about a qb being "the CEO of your organization" -Mel (Never played or coached football) Kiper - is overplayed. Football players aren't role models, CEOs, doctors, social service coordinators. If they prepare properly, work at the fine points of the game and have enough speed, size or skill they succeed and we cheer for them.

NFL QB is the hardest position to play in sport. You must have a mind - skill is not enough. Winston is as skilled as they come, but he is NO sure thing. His off the field antics raise serious question about his judgement and discretion.

his off field indiscretions raise questions about how he will handle himself off the field. his on field actions suggest he will handle himself well on the field where the game is played. winston does a great job of reading defenses, anticipating throws, knowing how a receiver should adjust to coverage, etc... he is a smart guy when it comes to football. michael jordan was a lousy gambler, bad executive, and poor husband but he dominated on the court. if i'm an nfl team, especially tampa, i'm picking the best qb not the qb who handles himself best off the field.

(01-09-2015 07:53 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(01-08-2015 03:24 PM)Policiious Wrote:  And therein lies a major problem with too many fans of this league to think that a player from a P5 program that can't get playing time at their current school wouldn't ever consider a MAC program.

These particular ones ... no, they wouldn't. Because of the options available to them among P5 programs.

The "problem" you refer to is that all too many fans of this league understand how the world works.

Yep. Someone needs a reality check.

Regardless of all this speculation; at end of the day OSU can/will deny where any of these QB's may transfer. Guarantee it won't be another Big 10 school and won't be a 2016 national title contenders. See Toledo QB and former Alabama player Philip Ely as exhibit A.

(01-11-2015 08:03 PM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote:  Regardless of all this speculation; at end of the day OSU can/will deny where any of these QB's may transfer. Guarantee it won't be another Big 10 school and won't be a 2016 national title contenders. See Toledo QB and former Alabama player Philip Ely as exhibit A.

I don't believe they can deny Braxton. If he graduates this spring, he's free to transfer anywhere that offers a graduate degree that 0$U doesn't offer.

That could be tricky. OSU probably has more graduate programs than just about everyone. They be real big, ya know.

(01-11-2015 08:11 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(01-11-2015 08:03 PM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote:  Regardless of all this speculation; at end of the day OSU can/will deny where any of these QB's may transfer. Guarantee it won't be another Big 10 school and won't be a 2016 national title contenders. See Toledo QB and former Alabama player Philip Ely as exhibit A.

I don't believe they can deny Braxton. If he graduates this spring, he's free to transfer anywhere that offers a graduate degree that 0$U doesn't offer.

I believe the bit about the new school offering a graduate degree that the old school doesn't is a fig leaf. Totally meaningless.

Cardale Jones tweeted that he is making a "life changing decision" at 4pm today. I'm pretty sure that rules out the MAC lol.

I dont know that would be a really big life changer to go from national championship to MAC championship and the go daddy bowl.

(01-11-2015 08:11 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(01-11-2015 08:03 PM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote:  Regardless of all this speculation; at end of the day OSU can/will deny where any of these QB's may transfer. Guarantee it won't be another Big 10 school and won't be a 2016 national title contenders. See Toledo QB and former Alabama player Philip Ely as exhibit A.

I don't believe they can deny Braxton. If he graduates this spring, he's free to transfer anywhere that offers a graduate degree that 0$U doesn't offer.

With Cardale back at OSU, you're on the clock Braxton.

BTW, does anyone realize it was Cardale who made the comment about why does he have to take classes and that he came to OSU to play football.

It was he...

(01-15-2015 04:58 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-11-2015 08:11 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(01-11-2015 08:03 PM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote:  Regardless of all this speculation; at end of the day OSU can/will deny where any of these QB's may transfer. Guarantee it won't be another Big 10 school and won't be a 2016 national title contenders. See Toledo QB and former Alabama player Philip Ely as exhibit A.

I don't believe they can deny Braxton. If he graduates this spring, he's free to transfer anywhere that offers a graduate degree that 0$U doesn't offer.

With Cardale back at OSU, you're on the clock Braxton.

BTW, does anyone realize it was Cardale who made the comment about why does he have to take classes and that he came to OSU to play football.

It was he...

He might have changed his mind seeing that he has a daughter now.