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OT: The Battle of New Orleans
Its bicentennial is this Thursday, January 8th.

A cool bit of history in a cool town and the subject of a cool song.
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Yes indeed. Big party that night in Jackson Square.
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The guy who wrote and recorded that song was my mother's college boyfriend.
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(01-04-2015 12:24 AM)Barney Wrote:  The guy who wrote and recorded that song was my mother's college boyfriend.

Francis Scott Key?

No, wait. Right war, wrong battle.
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RE: OT: The Battle of New Orleans
(01-04-2015 12:45 AM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  
(01-04-2015 12:24 AM)Barney Wrote:  The guy who wrote and recorded that song was my mother's college boyfriend.

Francis Scott Key?

No, wait. Right war, wrong battle.

Yes!
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(01-04-2015 12:24 AM)Barney Wrote:  The guy who wrote and recorded that song was my mother's college boyfriend.

Didn't he also sing about the Bismarck and Alaska?
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(01-04-2015 09:48 PM)NolaOwl Wrote:  
(01-04-2015 12:24 AM)Barney Wrote:  The guy who wrote and recorded that song was my mother's college boyfriend.

Didn't he also sing about the Bismarck and Alaska?

According to their Wikipedia pages, "The Battle of New Orleans" was written and first recorded by Jimmy Driftwood. But the most famous version was sung by Johnny Horton, who also recorded "Sink the Bismark," "North to Alaska" and "When It's Springtime in Alaska (It's Forty Below)".
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Oops, then my history was slightly off. Johnny Horton he was. He was killed in a car crash by a drunken A&M corp member as he was returning late one night after a concert.
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I remember reading about this battle from the perspective of the 93rd Sutherland Highlanders while visiting the Regimental Museum at Stirling Castle in Scotland several years ago. It was an interesting read. The battle was actually fought two weeks after the peace treaty to end the war had been signed — though neither side knew.

I did some googling and found this.

http://www.aboutscotland.com/argylls/93norleans.html

http://www.93rdhighlanders.com/hist.html

"New Orleans was the only defeat ever suffered by the old 93rd - and it was the only time they wore trousers into battle."
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RE: OT: The Battle of New Orleans
(01-04-2015 11:09 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-04-2015 12:45 AM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  
(01-04-2015 12:24 AM)Barney Wrote:  The guy who wrote and recorded that song was my mother's college boyfriend.

Francis Scott Key?

No, wait. Right war, wrong battle.

Yes!

Two branches of my family fought together in the war of 1812 (branches that I think united with my great grandfather and great grandmother)... I'm pretty sure it was on the Gulf Coast, but I'm not sure it was the Battle of New Orleans.
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RE: OT: The Battle of New Orleans
One of my great-great-great grandfathers fought on the American side in a Louisiana regiment. He was Louisiana French who did not come to the United States but the United States came to him by the Louisiana Purchase in 1803.
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(01-05-2015 05:23 PM)75src Wrote:  One of my great-great-great grandfathers fought on the American side in a Louisiana regiment. He was Louisiana French who did not come to the United States but the United States came to him by the Louisiana Purchase in 1803.

Did he come via Canada or directly from France?
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(01-05-2015 05:31 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(01-05-2015 05:23 PM)75src Wrote:  One of my great-great-great grandfathers fought on the American side in a Louisiana regiment. He was Louisiana French...

Did he come via Canada or directly from France?
Ahh, Cajun vs Creole: the long-simmering debate!
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RE: OT: The Battle of New Orleans
Measuring the costs (to the victors - probably less than 200 men total) against the benefits gained, the Horseshoe Bend/New Orleans/San Jacinto trilogy have to be three of the most "valuable" military victories in world history.
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RE: OT: The Battle of New Orleans
(01-05-2015 06:53 PM)MJY Wrote:  Measuring the costs (to the victors - probably less than 200 men total) against the benefits gained, the Horseshoe Bend/New Orleans/San Jacinto trilogy have to be three of the most "valuable" military victories in world history.
I wonder if there is anyone who was in all three of those battles? 03-wink
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RE: OT: The Battle of New Orleans
A son (not in my direct line) of the ancestor who fought at New Orleans fought at San Jacinto, but no one of them fought at Horseshoe Bend.

(01-05-2015 07:45 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-05-2015 06:53 PM)MJY Wrote:  Measuring the costs (to the victors - probably less than 200 men total) against the benefits gained, the Horseshoe Bend/New Orleans/San Jacinto trilogy have to be three of the most "valuable" military victories in world history.
I wonder if there is anyone who was in all three of those battles? 03-wink
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I think he was descended from a French soldier who was at the fort in New Orleans in 1763 and the Battle of New Orleans fighter was born in Louisiana. That family line intermarried later with Acadians (Cajuns) who would have descended from those who came from Canada.
(01-05-2015 05:31 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(01-05-2015 05:23 PM)75src Wrote:  One of my great-great-great grandfathers fought on the American side in a Louisiana regiment. He was Louisiana French who did not come to the United States but the United States came to him by the Louisiana Purchase in 1803.

Did he come via Canada or directly from France?
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(01-05-2015 08:04 PM)75src Wrote:  A son (not in my direct line) of the ancestor who fought at New Orleans fought at San Jacinto, but no one of them fought at Horseshoe Bend.

(01-05-2015 07:45 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-05-2015 06:53 PM)MJY Wrote:  Measuring the costs (to the victors - probably less than 200 men total) against the benefits gained, the Horseshoe Bend/New Orleans/San Jacinto trilogy have to be three of the most "valuable" military victories in world history.
I wonder if there is anyone who was in all three of those battles? 03-wink

I'm guessing that San Jacinto is where my family shared the battlefield. I know I've seen his name in the San Jacinto memorial.
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RE: OT: The Battle of New Orleans
(01-05-2015 06:53 PM)MJY Wrote:  Measuring the costs (to the victors - probably less than 200 men total) against the benefits gained, the Horseshoe Bend/New Orleans/San Jacinto trilogy have to be three of the most "valuable" military victories in world history.

Sorry, but for my money (though there isn't a third battle), but crossing the Delaware to the Battle of Trenton on Christmas Day, 1776, and then the Battle of Princeton a week later are probably the most valuable military victories in the Western Hemisphere in the last 500 years. (My world history is spotty, so I won't try to speak for world history.)

Without the victory at Trenton, much of Washington's force probably doesn't stick around to reenlist at the end of the year, given the recent loss of New York and generally low morale. And with his defeat at Princeton, Howe doesn't really ever threaten southern New Jersey, much less Pennsylvania, ever again. That gives Washington's army the room it needs to survive and ultimately win it.

If the US is never founded (a good possibility if Washington's army is crushed/disbands), then the nature of westward expansion is remarkably different in the 19th century. For example, there is no Louisiana Purchase - France is definitely not selling those lands to England when the 2 are at war. Those battles you mention were key to that expansion, but if Washington doesn't quickly turn around his fortunes (most armies quarter during the winter, especially during that little ice age of the time), the promise of the US is history.

I was at the Marine Corps museum (an absolute must for anyone interested in US history) over the weekend, and there were a couple of displays about Marines at the Battle of New Orleans.
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RE: OT: The Battle of New Orleans
(01-05-2015 07:45 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-05-2015 06:53 PM)MJY Wrote:  Measuring the costs (to the victors - probably less than 200 men total) against the benefits gained, the Horseshoe Bend/New Orleans/San Jacinto trilogy have to be three of the most "valuable" military victories in world history.
I wonder if there is anyone who was in all three of those battles? 03-wink
There was at least one famous person who was in all three. Any guesses?
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