http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/s...w-27969497

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"The bottom line is everybody gets tired of the SEC because they've lifted up seven crystal balls out of eight seasons," said CBS Sports college football analyst Houston Nutt, a former Mississippi and Arkansas coach. "They've been there. The SEC wasn't as good this year. You look at the quarterbacks that graduated last year. The bottom line is the SEC wasn't as good this year as in years past."

Yeah, no shitt.

I would certainly be uncomfortable getting Nutt in my face.

Gotta be honest. At first glance I saw "Nut in their face", in the title, and had to take a double glance. LOL

Itt was a very cattchy yett relevantt title.

Another way to look at his comment is as a deflection. Would the SEC have worn the crown seven out of eight years if there were a 4 team playoff in those years?
Nutt's comments should be considered pearls of wisdom by the SEC.

maybe the SEC wins more than they would have though. Maybe 2004 Auburn wins the title. 2002 Georgia. You just don't know.

I've paid pretty close attention to college football for about 40 years. Power cycles.

The Big Ten fall was blamed on the weakness of the Rust Belt supposedly everyone with a kid good at playing football moved south to find work.

But the bigger deal has been that Big Ten hasn't kept pace with the SEC in salaries especially for assistants. There have also been some bad hires. The Big Ten is starting to reverse that path and but for one toe stub Ohio State has looked better than it has in many years. I think the case can be made that B1G didn't adjust well when the southern pipeline started drying up with the integration of the SWC and SEC.

The PAC-12 has been very close to having title material teams they might make it this year.

Nutt is right in that the SEC is down at the QB position. Hugh Freeze is in year three at Ole Miss and started a kid who couldn't start for him at AState. Somehow hasn't found a replacement yet and his best propspect may get dropped.

Finally the margin between the power leagues tends to be thin. That makes shifts happen even when a league isn't really up or down.

(01-03-2015 06:54 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I've paid pretty close attention to college football for about 40 years. Power cycles.

The Big Ten fall was blamed on the weakness of the Rust Belt supposedly everyone with a kid good at playing football moved south to find work.

But the bigger deal has been that Big Ten hasn't kept pace with the SEC in salaries especially for assistants. There have also been some bad hires. The Big Ten is starting to reverse that path and but for one toe stub Ohio State has looked better than it has in many years. I think the case can be made that B1G didn't adjust well when the southern pipeline started drying up with the integration of the SWC and SEC.

The PAC-12 has been very close to having title material teams they might make it this year.

Nutt is right in that the SEC is down at the QB position. Hugh Freeze is in year three at Ole Miss and started a kid who couldn't start for him at AState. Somehow hasn't found a replacement yet and his best propspect may get dropped.

Finally the margin between the power leagues tends to be thin. That makes shifts happen even when a league isn't really up or down.

Good post, especially the part about folks making idiotic statements about everyone with decent football kids moving South.

Some people are moving South but the State that had the worst declining population in the North is Michigan. The State has almost 10 million people. From '05 to '11 it had a declining population as the Auto Industry was decimated. Yes, some folks left the State. The Auto Industry diversified to other parts of the country but the overall number of jobs went way down.

Since 2013 though the State of Michigan population has slowly started to rise again.

Now, it is true that some Southern States have some pretty impressive growth percentages but most of those are also small population States so it is easier to have a higher percentage number.

Michigan's population still is quite large and isn't "dying" out as many idiots would say.

That area of the country is rebuilding and that includes their college football. As you say, their biggest problem was the coaching staff salaries. Traditionally, the Big Ten powers have for the most part just cared about themselves and the conference. The Big Ten was the slowest to act in regards to the changing of college football into a National sport not just a regional sport.

They are changing now, although I think someone forgot to send Kirk Ferentz the f'n memo.

(01-02-2015 10:02 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Another way to look at his comment is as a deflection. Would the SEC have worn the crown seven out of eight years if there were a 4 team playoff in those years?
Nutt's comments should be considered pearls of wisdom by the SEC.

Some of the SEC's "dominance" is directly related to the Big Ten being down too. Those Ohio State teams (2006 and 2007) were considered--during the regular season to be excellent teams--and so when they were dominated in those two BCS title games, the narrative was FAR more extreme than if they had, say, been 3 point favorites. The story quickly became...THE SEC IS SO GOOD AND THE BIG TEN IS SO OVERRATED.

If those 2006 and 2007 Ohio State teams had won a playoff game and THEN lost in the title game, the anti-Big Ten rhetoric would have been less severe. Even if OSU gets crushed by Oregon next week, no one is going to dismiss the Big Ten entirely because...they dethroned mighty Alabama of the SEC.

The ACC, on the other hand, might be feeling a bit of the 2006/2007 Ohio State-type backlash. Their poor playoff performance really validated many feelings of "the ACC is bad" this season.

SEC people don't underestimate Ohio state. The rest of the Big10 is another matter. The SEC did have a bad bowl showing this season by our own standards.

(01-04-2015 05:52 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 10:02 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Another way to look at his comment is as a deflection. Would the SEC have worn the crown seven out of eight years if there were a 4 team playoff in those years?
Nutt's comments should be considered pearls of wisdom by the SEC.

Some of the SEC's "dominance" is directly related to the Big Ten being down too. Those Ohio State teams (2006 and 2007) were considered--during the regular season to be excellent teams--and so when they were dominated in those two BCS title games, the narrative was FAR more extreme than if they had, say, been 3 point favorites. The story quickly became...THE SEC IS SO GOOD AND THE BIG TEN IS SO OVERRATED.

If those 2006 and 2007 Ohio State teams had won a playoff game and THEN lost in the title game, the anti-Big Ten rhetoric would have been less severe. Even if OSU gets crushed by Oregon next week, no one is going to dismiss the Big Ten entirely because...they dethroned mighty Alabama of the SEC.

The ACC, on the other hand, might be feeling a bit of the 2006/2007 Ohio State-type backlash. Their poor playoff performance really validated many feelings of "the ACC is bad" this season.

Making the title game might not have helped. I remember the talk show hosts making jokes about the Bills being bad. Because they were losing Super Bowls

(01-04-2015 09:42 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 05:52 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  

(01-02-2015 10:02 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Another way to look at his comment is as a deflection. Would the SEC have worn the crown seven out of eight years if there were a 4 team playoff in those years?
Nutt's comments should be considered pearls of wisdom by the SEC.

Some of the SEC's "dominance" is directly related to the Big Ten being down too. Those Ohio State teams (2006 and 2007) were considered--during the regular season to be excellent teams--and so when they were dominated in those two BCS title games, the narrative was FAR more extreme than if they had, say, been 3 point favorites. The story quickly became...THE SEC IS SO GOOD AND THE BIG TEN IS SO OVERRATED.

If those 2006 and 2007 Ohio State teams had won a playoff game and THEN lost in the title game, the anti-Big Ten rhetoric would have been less severe. Even if OSU gets crushed by Oregon next week, no one is going to dismiss the Big Ten entirely because...they dethroned mighty Alabama of the SEC.

The ACC, on the other hand, might be feeling a bit of the 2006/2007 Ohio State-type backlash. Their poor playoff performance really validated many feelings of "the ACC is bad" this season.

Making the title game might not have helped. I remember the talk show hosts making jokes about the Bills being bad. Because they were losing Super Bowls

Then The Big Ten can point to overall Bowl record this year too in comparison to the likes of the ACC or Big 12. I think you just want to keep the attacks goin on the Big Ten huh?

(01-04-2015 07:19 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  SEC people don't underestimate Ohio state. The rest of the Big10 is another matter. The SEC did have a bad bowl showing this season by our own standards.

Yes you did, none of you gave them a shot at being able to beat Alabama. Don't go trying to paint a different picture after the fact.

You had every right to underestimate Ohio State before that game. I thought everyone that was doing so were fools for making their opinions based upon the facts instead of calculated opinions based upon the present day teams because Ohio State has had THREE quarterbacks this year that were way more impressive than Sims ever was during the entire year. All Sims did was lean upon one of the best Receivers we have seen in the game in years.

(01-03-2015 06:54 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I've paid pretty close attention to college football for about 40 years. Power cycles.

The Big Ten fall was blamed on the weakness of the Rust Belt supposedly everyone with a kid good at playing football moved south to find work.

But the bigger deal has been that Big Ten hasn't kept pace with the SEC in salaries especially for assistants. There have also been some bad hires. The Big Ten is starting to reverse that path and but for one toe stub Ohio State has looked better than it has in many years. I think the case can be made that B1G didn't adjust well when the southern pipeline started drying up with the integration of the SWC and SEC.

The PAC-12 has been very close to having title material teams they might make it this year.

Nutt is right in that the SEC is down at the QB position. Hugh Freeze is in year three at Ole Miss and started a kid who couldn't start for him at AState. Somehow hasn't found a replacement yet and his best propspect may get dropped.

Finally the margin between the power leagues tends to be thin. That makes shifts happen even when a league isn't really up or down.

The decline of the rust belt has been happening for decades. The Big 10 didn't magically fall off the map after 2006.

I think the 7 on 7 leagues in Texas have helped the formerly pauper Big 12 schools. There has been a lot of talent at QB at places like Baylor, TCU and Oklahoma St. There have been a fair number of Texas HS QBs in the SEC and even the Big 10. The real question is how Mack Brown lost the ability to find them?!

(01-04-2015 12:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 06:54 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I've paid pretty close attention to college football for about 40 years. Power cycles.

The Big Ten fall was blamed on the weakness of the Rust Belt supposedly everyone with a kid good at playing football moved south to find work.

But the bigger deal has been that Big Ten hasn't kept pace with the SEC in salaries especially for assistants. There have also been some bad hires. The Big Ten is starting to reverse that path and but for one toe stub Ohio State has looked better than it has in many years. I think the case can be made that B1G didn't adjust well when the southern pipeline started drying up with the integration of the SWC and SEC.

The PAC-12 has been very close to having title material teams they might make it this year.

Nutt is right in that the SEC is down at the QB position. Hugh Freeze is in year three at Ole Miss and started a kid who couldn't start for him at AState. Somehow hasn't found a replacement yet and his best propspect may get dropped.

Finally the margin between the power leagues tends to be thin. That makes shifts happen even when a league isn't really up or down.

The decline of the rust belt has been happening for decades. The Big 10 didn't magically fall off the map after 2006.

I think the 7 on 7 leagues in Texas have helped the formerly pauper Big 12 schools. There has been a lot of talent at QB at places like Baylor, TCU and Oklahoma St. There have been a fair number of Texas HS QBs in the SEC and even the Big 10. The real question is how Mack Brown lost the ability to find them?!

The decline. The SEC's run happened, coincidentally, exactly when college teams started using the smaller pads that the NFL was using. That caused speed players to be able to better use their speed. We KNOW this, the NFL players have told us so. They threatened to go on strike when the talk arose to go back to the old pads and to make some of the players wear knee pads.

The change in padding has absolutely given an edge to the speed teams. The Northern teams which relied upon power football fell behind. So now they are recruiting more speed from other areas of the country while Northern talent slowly begins to play catch up at the lower levels. Well, it's happening and it is becoming more evident at the college level.

Keep holding on to the past though, it is your safety blanket I suppose.

(01-04-2015 11:31 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 07:19 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  SEC people don't underestimate Ohio state. The rest of the Big10 is another matter. The SEC did have a bad bowl showing this season by our own standards.

Yes you did, none of you gave them a shot at being able to beat Alabama. Don't go trying to paint a different picture after the fact.

You had every right to underestimate Ohio State before that game. I thought everyone that was doing so were fools for making their opinions based upon the facts instead of calculated opinions based upon the present day teams because Ohio State has had THREE quarterbacks this year that were way more impressive than Sims ever was during the entire year. All Sims did was lean upon one of the best Receivers we have seen in the game in years.

No Sir. I never once underestimated Ohio state or Urban Meyer. They are the only Big 10 team I will say that about. Now I will say I didn't believe their QB was up to the task. But I did know they would play solid defense and run the ball well. That's what Meyer teams do. But sure I thought Bama would win. Its not like Ohio states record versus the SEC is stellar.

(01-04-2015 01:44 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 11:31 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-04-2015 07:19 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  SEC people don't underestimate Ohio state. The rest of the Big10 is another matter. The SEC did have a bad bowl showing this season by our own standards.

Yes you did, none of you gave them a shot at being able to beat Alabama. Don't go trying to paint a different picture after the fact.

You had every right to underestimate Ohio State before that game. I thought everyone that was doing so were fools for making their opinions based upon the facts instead of calculated opinions based upon the present day teams because Ohio State has had THREE quarterbacks this year that were way more impressive than Sims ever was during the entire year. All Sims did was lean upon one of the best Receivers we have seen in the game in years.

No Sir. I never once underestimated Ohio state or Urban Meyer. They are the only Big 10 team I will say that about. Now I will say I didn't believe their QB was up to the task. But I did know they would play solid defense and run the ball well. That's what Meyer teams do. But sure I thought Bama would win. Its not like Ohio states record versus the SEC is stellar.

Well, I don't see why a Wisconsin team with the best running back in the nation should be underestimated but hey they must be garbage since their head coach decided to leave for Arkansas right?

I am all for folks underestimating the Big Ten. I am all for the trash talking. That has driven the Big Ten this year. That doesn't mean though I don't get to laugh at everyone for being blind when they aren't blind.