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RE: G5s in the final Top 25 poll - Boise, Marshall, ... Memphis?
(01-06-2015 10:18 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(01-05-2015 11:24 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  
(01-05-2015 11:15 PM)Maize Wrote:  
(01-05-2015 11:11 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  
(01-05-2015 10:30 PM)Maize Wrote:  Kind doubt we will be out...fact is just about everyone below us also lost including in the Receiving Votes Category and we lost to the higher ranked team....Boise will leapfrog and Marshall will be ranked...also, don't be surprised if Auburn also stays in...both Louisville and Auburn lost to higher ranked schools...the voters are not going to hammer them by losing in Overtime....LSU, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Minnesota are out though...Nebraska, Okahoma, Minnesota and LSU were either ranked below Auburn/Louisville or lost to Unranked Teams in their Bowl games...myself expect Louisville will fall to around 23rd...Boise to be around 16 and Marshall around 21st...that all be all for the G5.

Auburn is the most likely to be out. Not only did they lose to a team that got blown out 59 to 0, they their record in the last 8 FBS teams was 2 and 6. That's right 2 and 6!

Also, no way Marshall jumps that high. They were behind an AAC team that had 2 less losses then them in the first CFP poll and they still have 2 less losses then Memphis. Memphis very well could jump them. If not, Memphis will definitely be in the top 25 IMO.

With Auburn or any SEC School Never underestimate the voters....plus the B1G performance in Bowl season will soften Auburn...Memphis might sneak in but it going to be close...what hurts them in the AP/Coaches Poll was their lack of votes in the last Regular Season Polls.

Teams with 5 losses will not make top 25 polls regardless of conference. Oh, and Auburn won one road game all year to go with their pathetic 2 and 6 FBS finish.

Are we looking at the same polls? Memphis is receiving votes in both polls. In the AP poll, only Marshall is ahead of them who are receiving votes and won a bowl game.

Was talking about the vote totals...Auburn 19th in the AP Poll with 450 points in that Poll...Memphis had 34 points in that poll...that is hard to overcome.

You mean like when fellow SEC member Miss. State lost
over 350 points and several positions (6 spots) in the rankings late in the year, after to losing a rival ranked team on the road. Precedent is there and very recent.
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RE: G5s in the final Top 25 poll - Boise, Marshall, ... Memphis?
final poll:
14. Boise St
22. Marshall
25. Memphis
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RE: G5s in the final Top 25 poll - Boise, Marshall, ... Memphis?
Surprised me also but CUSA was top G5!

Sagarin Final Rankings - CUSA #1
Conference rankings a bit different post-bowls
The conference rankings outside the cartel have changed a bit with bowl results factored in....

Current Sagarin blended rating conference rankings
1) Conference USA--62.44 average, 61.44 central mean
2) Mountain West--61.86 average, 61.63 central mean
3) American--59.94 average, 60.85 central mean
4) Mid-American--56.09 average, 54.86 central mean
5) Sun Belt--55.69 average, 55.85 central mean

Top 5 non-cartel teams
24) Marshall, 82.36
35) Louisiana Tech, 77.57
37) Boise State, 77.43
39) Memphis, 76.11
51) Utah State, 72.70

Other conference top teams
64) Georgia Southern, 69.47
71) Northern Illinois, 68.08

Originally posted by RealityCheck on BBB.
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RE: G5s in the final Top 25 poll - Boise, Marshall, ... Memphis?
(01-07-2015 05:21 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  Surprised me also but CUSA was top G5!

Sagarin Final Rankings - CUSA #1
Conference rankings a bit different post-bowls
The conference rankings outside the cartel have changed a bit with bowl results factored in....

Current Sagarin blended rating conference rankings
1) Conference USA--62.44 average, 61.44 central mean
2) Mountain West--61.86 average, 61.63 central mean
3) American--59.94 average, 60.85 central mean
4) Mid-American--56.09 average, 54.86 central mean
5) Sun Belt--55.69 average, 55.85 central mean

Top 5 non-cartel teams
24) Marshall, 82.36
35) Louisiana Tech, 77.57
37) Boise State, 77.43
39) Memphis, 76.11
51) Utah State, 72.70

Other conference top teams
64) Georgia Southern, 69.47
71) Northern Illinois, 68.08

Originally posted by RealityCheck on BBB.

The real time rpi was mwc, aac, c-usa, Mac, and sunbelt. No offense but it was a horrible year just being at the level with a bunch of startup fbs teams. Aac needs to step up and not be classified with the g5.
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RE: G5s in the final Top 25 poll - Boise, Marshall, ... Memphis?
Lol the only people who think that C-USA was the top G5 are C-USA fans.

Didn't win the access slot, 1 P5 win in the postseason, multiple FCS losses, and their coup de grace is a marginal marginal advantage in average RPI. Talk about delusion.
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RE: G5s in the final Top 25 poll - Boise, Marshall, ... Memphis?
(01-07-2015 05:44 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Lol the only people who think that C-USA was the top G5 are C-USA fans.

Didn't win the access slot, 1 P5 win in the postseason, multiple FCS losses, and their coup de grace is a marginal marginal advantage in average RPI. Talk about delusion.

Brilliant post!

Let's summarize....
Didn't win the access slot. Check.
Lost head to head total games to the other "lesser" conference. Check.
Does not have the first or even second highest ranked G5 team. Check.
Only two of five bowl wins. Check.
Third ranked conference according to REAL (not Tweener real, but it actually happened) rankings. Check.

Talk about delusional. Lol!
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RE: G5s in the final Top 25 poll - Boise, Marshall, ... Memphis?
(01-07-2015 05:21 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  Surprised me also but CUSA was top G5!

Sagarin Final Rankings - CUSA #1
Conference rankings a bit different post-bowls
The conference rankings outside the cartel have changed a bit with bowl results factored in....

Current Sagarin blended rating conference rankings
1) Conference USA--62.44 average, 61.44 central mean
2) Mountain West--61.86 average, 61.63 central mean
3) American--59.94 average, 60.85 central mean
4) Mid-American--56.09 average, 54.86 central mean
5) Sun Belt--55.69 average, 55.85 central mean

Top 5 non-cartel teams
24) Marshall, 82.36
35) Louisiana Tech, 77.57
37) Boise State, 77.43
39) Memphis, 76.11
51) Utah State, 72.70

Other conference top teams
64) Georgia Southern, 69.47
71) Northern Illinois, 68.08

Originally posted by RealityCheck on BBB.

Boise's #37 rank include their Access Bowl win against top 10ish Arizona?
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RE: G5s in the final Top 25 poll - Boise, Marshall, ... Memphis?
the bottom of the AAC was atrocious this year. hoping the new hires at smu and tulsa get them back up to respectibilty really quickly
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RE: G5s in the final Top 25 poll - Boise, Marshall, ... Memphis?
(01-07-2015 05:21 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  Surprised me also but CUSA was top G5!

Sagarin Final Rankings - CUSA #1
Conference rankings a bit different post-bowls
The conference rankings outside the cartel have changed a bit with bowl results factored in....

Current Sagarin blended rating conference rankings
1) Conference USA--62.44 average, 61.44 central mean
2) Mountain West--61.86 average, 61.63 central mean
3) American--59.94 average, 60.85 central mean
4) Mid-American--56.09 average, 54.86 central mean
5) Sun Belt--55.69 average, 55.85 central mean

Top 5 non-cartel teams
24) Marshall, 82.36
35) Louisiana Tech, 77.57
37) Boise State, 77.43
39) Memphis, 76.11
51) Utah State, 72.70

Other conference top teams
64) Georgia Southern, 69.47
71) Northern Illinois, 68.08

Originally posted by RealityCheck on BBB.

Sagarin has to be the most confusing rating service. In some cases strength of schedule seems to matter while others it does not. In some cases record seems to matter and other cases it does not. Which is it?

Case in point Marshall is 24 with a strength of schedule at 121 with a good record of 13-1. Similarly, 32nd ranked North Dakota State is 123 in SOS while 14-1 playing a FCS schedule.

Then looking at 28th ranked Tennessee at 7-6 with a 9th SOS. 36th ranked South Carolina the same thing at 7-6 and a SOS of 13th.

Then, the rating service puts 16th ranked FSU at 13-1 and 20th SOS behind a 6 loss Arkansas team. Heck, they're rated only 8 positions ahead of Marshall with identical records and quite different SOS. Really?

In conclusion, the SEC, with a strong SOS and mediocre records are rewarded but so are the poor SOS with good records. Can anyone make sense of these ratings? I can't and that's why I trust this service the least of any.
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(01-08-2015 04:05 AM)WEARE Wrote:  
(01-07-2015 05:44 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Lol the only people who think that C-USA was the top G5 are C-USA fans.

Didn't win the access slot, 1 P5 win in the postseason, multiple FCS losses, and their coup de grace is a marginal marginal advantage in average RPI. Talk about delusion.

Brilliant post!

Let's summarize....
Didn't win the access slot. Check.
Lost head to head total games to the other "lesser" conference. Check.
Does not have the first or even second highest ranked G5 team. Check.
Only two of five bowl wins. Check.
Third ranked conference according to REAL (not Tweener real, but it actually happened) rankings. Check.

Talk about delusional. Lol!

I never said the AAC was #1, as you imply, and you wont find anyone on this board that rationally says we are. So what point are you exactly making?
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RE: G5s in the final Top 25 poll - Boise, Marshall, ... Memphis?
Any poll that has Marshall and LaTech ahead of Boise it's not a poll I would refer to.
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(01-08-2015 07:48 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Any poll that has Marshall and LaTech ahead of Boise it's not a poll I would refer to.

Yep, and there is a big difference in the teams that the AAC and even MWC teams, then CUSA in Bowl Games. MWC with Boise wins this round.
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(01-08-2015 04:44 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  
(01-08-2015 04:05 AM)WEARE Wrote:  
(01-07-2015 05:44 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Lol the only people who think that C-USA was the top G5 are C-USA fans.

Didn't win the access slot, 1 P5 win in the postseason, multiple FCS losses, and their coup de grace is a marginal marginal advantage in average RPI. Talk about delusion.

Brilliant post!

Let's summarize....
Didn't win the access slot. Check.
Lost head to head total games to the other "lesser" conference. Check.
Does not have the first or even second highest ranked G5 team. Check.
Only two of five bowl wins. Check.
Third ranked conference according to REAL (not Tweener real, but it actually happened) rankings. Check.

Talk about delusional. Lol!

I never said the AAC was #1, as you imply, and you wont find anyone on this board that rationally says we are. So what point are you exactly making?

Well, you called CUSA delusional like we calculated the rankings. For reference, no CUSA fan made this ranking. If you follow the link, you should be able to read how the calculation is derived.

Personally, I feel MWC is first, but I would place CUSA second. If you are going to pontificate about delusion unjustly, it might be worthwhile to determine if you are making this judgment from a position of strength. Sorry, but the AAC, in my opinion, does not have the high ground in rankings, and if you look at the preseason ramblings here in the archives, you will see the very definition of delusion.
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http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...-2014-2015

Let's hear it for the mid-majors making the final top 25, btw! Boise State! Marshall! Memphis! This is Memphis' first-ever ranked finish

Boise #16, Marshall #23, Memphis #25 02-13-banana
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RE: G5s in the final Top 25 poll - Boise, Marshall, ... Memphis?
(01-05-2015 11:11 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  
(01-05-2015 10:30 PM)Maize Wrote:  Kind doubt we will be out...fact is just about everyone below us also lost including in the Receiving Votes Category and we lost to the higher ranked team....Boise will leapfrog and Marshall will be ranked...also, don't be surprised if Auburn also stays in...both Louisville and Auburn lost to higher ranked schools...the voters are not going to hammer them by losing in Overtime....LSU, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Minnesota are out though...Nebraska, Okahoma, Minnesota and LSU were either ranked below Auburn/Louisville or lost to Unranked Teams in their Bowl games...myself expect Louisville will fall to around 23rd...Boise to be around 16 and Marshall around 21st...that all be all for the G5.

Auburn is the most likely to be out. Not only did they lose to a team that got blown out 59 to 0, they their record in the last 8 FBS teams was 2 and 6. That's right 2 and 6!

Also, no way Marshall jumps that high. They were behind an AAC team that had 2 less losses then them in the first CFP poll and they still have 2 less losses then Memphis. Memphis very well could jump them. If not, Memphis will definitely be in the top 25 IMO.

You gotta admit...I came pretty damn close to nailing it and was correct on Auburn and Louisville staying in...Glad I was wrong in regards to Memphis...04-cheers
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(01-06-2015 01:04 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  final poll:
14. Boise St
22. Marshall
25. Memphis

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(01-13-2015 11:15 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(01-05-2015 11:11 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  
(01-05-2015 10:30 PM)Maize Wrote:  Kind doubt we will be out...fact is just about everyone below us also lost including in the Receiving Votes Category and we lost to the higher ranked team....Boise will leapfrog and Marshall will be ranked...also, don't be surprised if Auburn also stays in...both Louisville and Auburn lost to higher ranked schools...the voters are not going to hammer them by losing in Overtime....LSU, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Minnesota are out though...Nebraska, Okahoma, Minnesota and LSU were either ranked below Auburn/Louisville or lost to Unranked Teams in their Bowl games...myself expect Louisville will fall to around 23rd...Boise to be around 16 and Marshall around 21st...that all be all for the G5.

Auburn is the most likely to be out. Not only did they lose to a team that got blown out 59 to 0, they their record in the last 8 FBS teams was 2 and 6. That's right 2 and 6!

Also, no way Marshall jumps that high. They were behind an AAC team that had 2 less losses then them in the first CFP poll and they still have 2 less losses then Memphis. Memphis very well could jump them. If not, Memphis will definitely be in the top 25 IMO.

You gotta admit...I came pretty damn close to nailing it and was correct on Auburn and Louisville staying in...Glad I was wrong in regards to Memphis...04-cheers

Yeah, OSU, the team that was on probation just 2 years ago, beat ZERO teams in the ACC and ZERO in the B12. If it makes you feel better that they won the always fictitious NC, so be it. Some will say that they won it on the field but it can't be true since they didn't defeat any of 2/5 of the P5.

If it makes you feel better that Auburn stayed in despite losing 4 consecutive FBS games. Tells you something about the state of college football.
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