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Jerry Kill's Departure From NIU Was Mutually Beneficial To Both Sides
Here's my potentially controversial and perhaps provoking thought after watching football today, including watching Ol Jerry and the Gophers lose in the postseason again.

I don't think NIU wins 3 out of the last 4 MAC titles if Kill had remained head coach beyond 2010.

Think about how the 2011 team was constructed. Harnish would've been great, but the Kill offense relies just as much on the RB as it does the QB. Harnish wouldn't have gotten as many touches and Jasmin Hopkins, while good, was not as good as Chad Spann was the year before. Coupled with how putrid the defense was at times that year, if Kill coaches us in 2011, I don't think NIU beats Toledo in that stupid game in the Glass Bowl, let alone Ohio in the MACC.

And what's more, there is no way that Jordan Lynch becomes a Heisman finalist in Kill's offense and there's probably no way NIU goes to the Orange Bowl if he's coaching. His record in the postseason in FBS speaks for itself.

Long story short, IMO it turned out better for all parties that he left when he did. Kill got paid, Minnesota is back to being a competitive Big Ten team, Compher made his best ever decision as AD by hiring Dave Doeren to replace him, Harnish had the best season of his career, Lynch became a Heisman finalist, NIU won 3 MAC titles in 4 years and busted the BCS and pissed off Herbstreit, and NIU fans got to enjoy the golden era of Huskie football.

Thanks Jerry! If you ever see Harnish again, you should probably buy him a drink because you haven't found a QB as good as him since you went to Minnesota.
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You're not wrong.
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(01-01-2015 09:16 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  You're not wrong.

That Is correct
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Probably but I actually thought they played better than I thought they would in their game. Btw, I thought it was interesting it was NIU vs Toledo(coaches). :)

BTWII, anyone watching the ESPN3 spider cam feed for the OSU/Bama game? Pretty cool. You don't have to listen to the moronic announcers and get great crowd noise. No replays though which I can do without for the most part.
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(01-01-2015 09:02 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  Here's my potentially controversial and perhaps provoking thought after watching football today, including watching Ol Jerry and the Gophers lose in the postseason again.

I don't think NIU wins 3 out of the last 4 MAC titles if Kill had remained head coach beyond 2010.

Think about how the 2011 team was constructed. Harnish would've been great, but the Kill offense relies just as much on the RB as it does the QB. Harnish wouldn't have gotten as many touches and Jasmin Hopkins, while good, was not as good as Chad Spann was the year before. Coupled with how putrid the defense was at times that year, if Kill coaches us in 2011, I don't think NIU beats Toledo in that stupid game in the Glass Bowl, let alone Ohio in the MACC.

And what's more, there is no way that Jordan Lynch becomes a Heisman finalist in Kill's offense and there's probably no way NIU goes to the Orange Bowl if he's coaching. His record in the postseason in FBS speaks for itself.

Long story short, IMO it turned out better for all parties that he left when he did. Kill got paid, Minnesota is back to being a competitive Big Ten team, Compher made his best ever decision as AD by hiring Dave Doeren to replace him, Harnish had the best season of his career, Lynch became a Heisman finalist, NIU won 3 MAC titles in 4 years and busted the BCS and pissed off Herbstreit, and NIU fans got to enjoy the golden era of Huskie football.

Thanks Jerry! If you ever see Harnish again, you should probably buy him a drink because you haven't found a QB as good as him since you went to Minnesota.

That's an interesting theory you put forward, definitely worth considering. Especially the part about 2011 where our defense was weak and we had to outscore everyone to win. On the other hand Kill's go-slow offense was great at keeping our defense off the field so he may have been just as effective in a different way.

Also, we don't know what kind of recruiting class Kill would have brought to NIU in 2011. It probably would have been a great one. He had just brought in excellent classes in '09 and '10 and most of the 2011 NIU commits he took to Minnesota with him ended up being multi-year starters there. I think it's safe to assume he would have brought in a great class and who knows how they would have impacted the 2011 team. Of course Doeren's 2011 recruiting class, which was pretty weak, included Tommylee Lewis who helped us win the shootout in Toledo so you can go back and forth on this all day.
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I've always agreed a huge reason why NIU has been succesful over the last 4 years is the offense Doeren brought in.
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(01-02-2015 03:08 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  
(01-01-2015 09:02 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  Here's my potentially controversial and perhaps provoking thought after watching football today, including watching Ol Jerry and the Gophers lose in the postseason again.

I don't think NIU wins 3 out of the last 4 MAC titles if Kill had remained head coach beyond 2010.

Think about how the 2011 team was constructed. Harnish would've been great, but the Kill offense relies just as much on the RB as it does the QB. Harnish wouldn't have gotten as many touches and Jasmin Hopkins, while good, was not as good as Chad Spann was the year before. Coupled with how putrid the defense was at times that year, if Kill coaches us in 2011, I don't think NIU beats Toledo in that stupid game in the Glass Bowl, let alone Ohio in the MACC.

And what's more, there is no way that Jordan Lynch becomes a Heisman finalist in Kill's offense and there's probably no way NIU goes to the Orange Bowl if he's coaching. His record in the postseason in FBS speaks for itself.

Long story short, IMO it turned out better for all parties that he left when he did. Kill got paid, Minnesota is back to being a competitive Big Ten team, Compher made his best ever decision as AD by hiring Dave Doeren to replace him, Harnish had the best season of his career, Lynch became a Heisman finalist, NIU won 3 MAC titles in 4 years and busted the BCS and pissed off Herbstreit, and NIU fans got to enjoy the golden era of Huskie football.

Thanks Jerry! If you ever see Harnish again, you should probably buy him a drink because you haven't found a QB as good as him since you went to Minnesota.

That's an interesting theory you put forward, definitely worth considering. Especially the part about 2011 where our defense was weak and we had to outscore everyone to win. On the other hand Kill's go-slow offense was great at keeping our defense off the field so he may have been just as effective in a different way.

Also, we don't know what kind of recruiting class Kill would have brought to NIU in 2011. It probably would have been a great one. He had just brought in excellent classes in '09 and '10 and most of the 2011 NIU commits he took to Minnesota with him ended up being multi-year starters there. I think it's safe to assume he would have brought in a great class and who knows how they would have impacted the 2011 team. Of course Doeren's 2011 recruiting class, which was pretty weak, included Tommylee Lewis who helped us win the shootout in Toledo so you can go back and forth on this all day.

Just because the Kill-Limegrover offense was great at keeping the opposing offenses off the field doesn't mean that the defense in '11 would have been any better. Sure they would've been off the field more, but they still would've probably been bad a lot of the time and without the no huddle that Doeren & Canada installed, the offense probably wouldn't have scored as much, which they needed to do to win games against Toledo & Ball State.

Also, yes, Kill may very well have brought in another fine recruiting class in '11, but would they have made a difference that year? None of the offensive players would've made a huge difference given how stacked NIU was that year and the only defensive player from the '11 recruiting class that saw playing time as a true freshman was Meehan, I believe. Also, it's very likely that if Kill stays, we don't get players such as Meehan, Ness, and Logan, who all came from the Missouri areas where Doeren's staff concentrated on and were all 1st team All-MAC this year.

And ultimately, even if he'd brought in another great class in '11, I simply don't think, given his 0-6 record in the postseason both at NIU and Minnesota, and some of the questionable coaching decisions that he made yesterday and in the past (sounds familiar doesn't it?) that Kill would have ever won a MAC title or even a bowl game that year just because of how big of a drop off there was between those 2 teams, particularly on defense.
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(01-02-2015 03:18 PM)7 Wrote:  I've always agreed a huge reason why NIU has been succesful over the last 4 years is the offense Doeren brought in.

Some coaches simply don't know how to win the games that really matter, while others simply do. Even when you compare their results after leaving NIU, Kill falls into the former category while Doeren falls into the latter.
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I was never a big Jerry Kill fan. The Me'co-Chad situation and Grady-Chandler situation really soured me on Jerry. Obviously he did a great job recruiting but it always seemed to me that it was all about Jerry in his program. He's doing great things in Minny so what do I know. I thought Doeren was dynamic fixing the defensive disaster quickly in 2011, running the read option all second half to blow out WMU -- reminded me of the Ohio game when Novak went entirely with the passing game to PJ... Carey is obviously doing a great job, but I don't think I could label him as dynamic yet...
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Not to mention taking both coordinators before the GoDaddy Bowl...
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Haha, can't wait to see Yesman chime in on this thread tonight! 03-lmfao
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I think the analysis is solid but I always hesitate to ascribe results when the game wasn't actually played.

However, there is a big Twin Cities sports radio talking point about exactly how Kill stuck so hard to his game plan and his coaching comfort level in the bowl game that Missouri easily outmaneuvered the unimaginative Goofers. The point about "unimaginative" and "predictable" and "comfortable" is countered by the fact that Kill has won a lot of BigElevnty games and is BigThriteeny Coach of the Year.

Point being, his predictable game planning has led to on the field success not seen up here in Baja Manitoba in 40 years and his predictable game planning has led to some embarrassing loses against more imaginative teams.

Remember though, if Kill wants to stay at the U all he has to do is win 7-9 game a year, compete for the West title (not even the B1G14 title) and make a bowl game a warm weather destination.

If he does this they will spread his ashes at the 50 yard line when his time is up. So, will it pay for Kill for move out of his coaching comfort zone? Probably not, to be honest.
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(01-03-2015 11:12 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I think the analysis is solid but I always hesitate to ascribe results when the game wasn't actually played.

However, there is a big Twin Cities sports radio talking point about exactly how Kill stuck so hard to his game plan and his coaching comfort level in the bowl game that Missouri easily outmaneuvered the unimaginative Goofers. The point about "unimaginative" and "predictable" and "comfortable" is countered by the fact that Kill has won a lot of BigElevnty games and is BigThriteeny Coach of the Year.

Point being, his predictable game planning has led to on the field success not seen up here in Baja Manitoba in 40 years and his predictable game planning has led to some embarrassing loses against more imaginative teams.

Remember though, if Kill wants to stay at the U all he has to do is win 7-9 game a year, compete for the West title (not even the B1G14 title) and make a bowl game a warm weather destination.

If he does this they will spread his ashes at the 50 yard line when his time is up. So, will it pay for Kill for move out of his coaching comfort zone? Probably not, to be honest.

I understand that. Coaching within his typical game plan will win games in the Big Ten when most teams just don't have the talent to stop it, even though it's predictable. However, when it comes to games against teams like OSU, MSU, and Wisconsin, that have better talent and can match up against Kill's scheme, Minnesota will find wins hard to come by.

It was a good move for him because Minnesota's expectations are to be a competitive Big Ten team and go to a bowl every year. That's what Kill will give them, even if they will ultimately never win the Big Ten, or maybe even a bowl game with him.

NIU on the other hand expects to win the MAC every year.
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(01-03-2015 11:12 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I think the analysis is solid but I always hesitate to ascribe results when the game wasn't actually played.

However, there is a big Twin Cities sports radio talking point about exactly how Kill stuck so hard to his game plan and his coaching comfort level in the bowl game that Missouri easily outmaneuvered the unimaginative Goofers. The point about "unimaginative" and "predictable" and "comfortable" is countered by the fact that Kill has won a lot of BigElevnty games and is BigThriteeny Coach of the Year.

Point being, his predictable game planning has led to on the field success not seen up here in Baja Manitoba in 40 years and his predictable game planning has led to some embarrassing loses against more imaginative teams.

Remember though, if Kill wants to stay at the U all he has to do is win 7-9 game a year, compete for the West title (not even the B1G14 title) and make a bowl game a warm weather destination.

If he does this they will spread his ashes at the 50 yard line when his time is up. So, will it pay for Kill for move out of his coaching comfort zone? Probably not, to be honest.

I do not think that you are giving coach Kill enough credit. He is a competitor that is driven to succeed and win championships. He is stubborn and he does believe in his system which is part of why he has been successful everywhere that he has coached.

I hated the way that he exited DeKalb, but I have moved on and I would love to see him win a Big Ten championship with the Gophers.
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(01-02-2015 04:09 PM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  Not to mention taking both coordinators before the GoDaddy Bowl...

I think you mean Humanitarian Bowl, but it didn't really matter. Tuke had the Huskies ready to play and we rolled Fresno that day.
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I think it has also worked for both parties.

He definitely has to rely on the RB more in Minnesota than he did at NIU. They haven't had as good a QB as Harnish or Lynch. Although, Leidner was pretty accurate the other day.

Outside of guys like Hageman and Williams, their talent level there is pretty close to NIU. They have more talent on defense, but offensively, they have nowhere close to as much talent or options. It's starting to rise with guys like May and Berkely Edwards, but they need a more consistent passer.

Yes, Kill is 0-6 in FBS postseason, but he did win games in the FCS playoffs. He does know how to win those games. His teams have probably only been favorites in two of his FBS postseason games, maybe half. He was definitely the underdog vs USF and Mizzou.

All in all, Kill got a chance to showcase he's a good coach and get paid, and NIU got better off the athletes he recruited that were oddly better suited for an offense that wasn't his.
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(01-01-2015 10:49 PM)HuskieRak Wrote:  
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(01-04-2015 10:58 PM)niuguy Wrote:  
(01-01-2015 10:49 PM)HuskieRak Wrote:  
(01-01-2015 09:16 PM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  You're not wrong.

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