(02-24-2015 02:18 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 12:47 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 12:18 PM)Stammers Wrote:  It isn't my stance at all. What that is, is crap that your Pastner bashing brain made up, AND of course you answered by doing the only thing you're capable of...bashing Pastner.

(02-23-2015 11:37 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Awesome; one example. Do you want a cookie? Oh, btw, feel free to include names that would take the Memphis job if it was open. Your list just probably went back down to zero.

I also don't think you know the definition of the word bash.

Still no names from junior.

Pastner is back next year so doesn't really matter, but... if there were no buyouts, off the top of my head here are some for 2.65 million:

Archie Miller
Marshall
Pearl
Tim Miles
Temple coach
South Carolina coach
Damon stoudamire

(02-24-2015 08:43 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 12:26 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 12:24 PM)tigergg Wrote:  We were actually 5-6 last year against top 25. This year we are currently 0-2 with a top 25 game Thursday against SMU.. Josh is currently 5-20 against top 25.. Against top 25 HOME(3-5) AWAY(1-7) NEUTRAL(1-8)..
Josh's winning% while in CUSA was 75.7%.. Posting a 106-34 record..Josh's winning % since joining AAC is 67.2% currently being 41-20.. His current overall winning % is 73.1%.. His winning % against top 25 is currently at 20%..No doubt CUSA bolstered his %'s.. But it's not his fault he was Coaching in a bad league.. I personally don't care about his winning percentages (just giving perspectives) but I do care about being competitive against the top 25 and being 5-20 for his career or 5-8 38% his last 2yrs isn't good by any measure!!


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This is precisely why the "he has the highest winning % ever in the history of the world" argument is lame.

Eustachy, Floyd....Nobody else could match JP. Former COY's in all of college basketball in the same "lame" conference.

Did they have top 5 recruiting classes?

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(02-24-2015 10:13 PM)hoeks25 Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 02:18 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 12:47 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-23-2015 12:18 PM)Stammers Wrote:  It isn't my stance at all. What that is, is crap that your Pastner bashing brain made up, AND of course you answered by doing the only thing you're capable of...bashing Pastner.

(02-23-2015 11:37 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Awesome; one example. Do you want a cookie? Oh, btw, feel free to include names that would take the Memphis job if it was open. Your list just probably went back down to zero.

I also don't think you know the definition of the word bash.

Still no names from junior.

Pastner is back next year so doesn't really matter, but... if there were no buyouts, off the top of my head here are some for 2.65 million:

Archie Miller
Marshall
Pearl
Tim Miles
Temple coach
South Carolina coach
Damon stoudamire

It's a waste of time. He's going to tell you that none of them will come here. In fact, no coach will come here. JP is the best we can do.

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(02-24-2015 11:00 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 08:43 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 12:26 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 12:24 PM)tigergg Wrote:  We were actually 5-6 last year against top 25. This year we are currently 0-2 with a top 25 game Thursday against SMU.. Josh is currently 5-20 against top 25.. Against top 25 HOME(3-5) AWAY(1-7) NEUTRAL(1-8)..
Josh's winning% while in CUSA was 75.7%.. Posting a 106-34 record..Josh's winning % since joining AAC is 67.2% currently being 41-20.. His current overall winning % is 73.1%.. His winning % against top 25 is currently at 20%..No doubt CUSA bolstered his %'s.. But it's not his fault he was Coaching in a bad league.. I personally don't care about his winning percentages (just giving perspectives) but I do care about being competitive against the top 25 and being 5-20 for his career or 5-8 38% his last 2yrs isn't good by any measure!!


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This is precisely why the "he has the highest winning % ever in the history of the world" argument is lame.

Eustachy, Floyd....Nobody else could match JP. Former COY's in all of college basketball in the same "lame" conference.

Did they have top 5 recruiting classes?

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Nope, thanks for making my point. JP gets the credit for those top 5 recruiting classes that these other coaches could not get.

(02-25-2015 01:48 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 11:00 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 08:43 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 12:26 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-24-2015 12:24 PM)tigergg Wrote:  We were actually 5-6 last year against top 25. This year we are currently 0-2 with a top 25 game Thursday against SMU.. Josh is currently 5-20 against top 25.. Against top 25 HOME(3-5) AWAY(1-7) NEUTRAL(1-8)..
Josh's winning% while in CUSA was 75.7%.. Posting a 106-34 record..Josh's winning % since joining AAC is 67.2% currently being 41-20.. His current overall winning % is 73.1%.. His winning % against top 25 is currently at 20%..No doubt CUSA bolstered his %'s.. But it's not his fault he was Coaching in a bad league.. I personally don't care about his winning percentages (just giving perspectives) but I do care about being competitive against the top 25 and being 5-20 for his career or 5-8 38% his last 2yrs isn't good by any measure!!


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This is precisely why the "he has the highest winning % ever in the history of the world" argument is lame.

Eustachy, Floyd....Nobody else could match JP. Former COY's in all of college basketball in the same "lame" conference.

Did they have top 5 recruiting classes?

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Nope, thanks for making my point. JP gets the credit for those top 5 recruiting classes that these other coaches could not get.

For all intents and purposes, they were all Memphis kids. And Cyp got the Bartons.

Your kidding right!! Most everyone he got was coming here no matter who was coaching.. We all know why he got the Lawson's but for next year that won't be enough.. And heaven help us if he is here the next year..


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(01-01-2015 04:17 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Tracking Pastner

University of Memphis Basketball Head Coach Josh Pastner

NCAA Top 10 Best Career Starts By Wins
(Head coaches with at least half their seasons at Division I)

4 SEASONS
1. Brad Stevens, Butler (2008-11) 117 (29.25 WPS)
2. Shaka Smart, VCU (2010-13) 111 (27.75)
3. Everett Case, North Carolina St. (1947-50) 107 (26.75 WPS)
4. Josh Pastner, Memphis (2009-13) 106 (26.50 WPS)
5. Mark Few, Gonzaga (2000-03) 105 (26.25 WPS)
5. Jamie Dixon, Pittsburgh (2004-07) 105 (26.25 WPS)
7. Bruce Stewart, West Va. Wesleyan & Middle Tenn. (1983-86) 104 (26.0 WPS)
8. Roy Williams, Kansas (1989-92) 103 (25.75 WPS)
9. Mark Fox, Nevada (2005-08) 102 (25.5 WPS)
9. Thad Matta, Butler & Xavier (2001-04) 102 (25.5 WPS)
…
11. Jim Boeheim, Syracuse (1977-80) 100 (25.0 WPS)
11. Speedy Morris, La Salle (1987-90) 100 (25.0 WPS)
11. Paul Westphal, Grand Canyon & Pepperdine (1987-88, 2002-03) 100 (25.0 WPS)

Source: Official 2013-14 NCAA Men's Basketball Coaching Records pg. 14


5 SEASONS
1. Brad Stevens, Butler (2008-12) 139 (27.8 WPS)
2. Everett Case, North Carolina St. (1947-51) 137 (27.4 WPS)
3. Shaka Smart, VCU (2010-14) 137 (27.4 WPS)
4. Mark Few, Gonzaga (2000-04) 133 (26.6 WPS)
5. Roy Williams, Kansas (1989-93) 132 (26.4 WPS)
5. Jamie Dixon, Pittsburgh (2004-08) 132 (26.4 WPS)
7. Josh Pastner, Memphis (2009-14) 130 (26.0 WPS)
8. Dave Rose, BYU (2006-10) 127 (25.4 WPS)
9. Bruce Stewart, West Va. Wesleyan & Middle Tenn. (1983-87) 126 (25.2 WPS)
10. Forddy Anderson, Drake & Bradley (1947-51) 123 (24.6 WPS)
10. Mark Fox, Nevada (2005-08) 123 (24.6 WPS)

Source: Official 2014-15 NCAA Men's Basketball Coaching Records pg. 14


Josh has completed five seasons at Memphis and is in his sixth season.
Josh has averaged 26.0 wins over his first five seasons.


NCAA Top 10 Best Career Starts By Wins
(Head coaches with at least half their seasons at Division I)

6 SEASONS
1. Brad Stevens, Butler (2008-13) 166 (27.7 WPS)
2. Jamie Dixon, Pittsburgh (2004-09) 163 (27.2 WPS)
3. Everett Case, North Carolina St (1947-52) 161 (26.8 WPS)
4. Mark Few, Gonzaga (2000-05) 159 (26.5 WPS)
4. Dave Rose, BYU (2006-11) 159 (26.5 WPS)
4. Roy Williams, Kansas (1989-94) 159 (26.5 WPS)
7. Bruce Stewart, West Va. Wesleyan
& Middle Tenn (1983-88) 149 (24.8 WPS)
8. Thad Matta, Butler, Xavier & Ohio St. (2001-06) 148 (24.7 WPS)
8. Tom Izzo, Michigan St (1996-2001) 148 (24.7 WPS)
10. Josh Pastner, Memphis (2009-14) 147 (26.0 WPS)
11. Fred Schaus, West Virginia (1955-60) 146 (24.3 WPS)

Source: Official 2014-15 NCAA Men's Basketball Coaching Records pg. 14

Josh moved into a tie for 10th with the win over UConn.
Josh took sole possession of 10th with the win over UCF.
Josh can move into a tie for 8th with 1 win.
Josh can move into a tie for 7th with 2 wins.
Josh can take sole possession of 7th with 3 wins.
Josh can move into a tie for 4th with 12 wins.
Josh can take sole possession of 4th with 13 wins.
It is mathematically impossible to reach 3rd.


2014-15 Season Results

11/18/14 vs Wichita State L, 71-56 (0-1)
11/24/14 vs Prairie View A&M W, 77-49 (1-1)
11/27/14 vs Baylor L, 71-47 (1-2)
11/28/14 vs Indiana State W, 72-62 (2-2)
12/02/14 vs Stephen F. Austin L, 64-52 (2-3)
12/06/14 vs Bradley W, 73-45 (3-3)
12/13/14 vs Oklahoma State L, 73-55 (3-4)
12/15/14 vs North Carolina Central W, 81-47 (4-4)
12/17/14 vs USC Upstate W, 83-73 (5-4)
12/20/14 vs Oral Roberts W, 78-63 (6-4)
12/23/14 vs Western Illinois W, 78-51 (7-4)
12/31/14 vs Houston W, 73-54 (8-4, 1-0)
01/03/15 vs Tulane L, 74-66 (8-5, 1-1)
01/08/15 at SMU L, 73-59 (8-6, 1-2)
01/11/15 at Houston W, 62-44 (9-6, 2-2)
01/15/15 vs Cincinnati W, 63-50 (10-6, 3-2)
01/17/15 vs UCF W, 99-79 (11-6, 4-2)
01/21/15 at Tulsa L, 73-55 (11-7, 4-3)
01/24/15 at Tulane W, 57-55 (12-7, 5-3)
01/28/15 vs East Carolina W, 70-58 (13-7, 6-3)
01/31/15 at Gonzaga L, 82-64 (13-8, 6-3)
02/04/15 vs Jacksonville State W, 74-48 (14-8, 6-3)
02/07/15 vs Temple L, 61-60 (14-9, 6-4)
02/10/15 at East Carolina L, 64-53 (14-10, 6-5)
02/14/15 at USF W, 75-48 (15-10, 7-5)
02/19/15 vs Connecticut W, 75-72 (16-10, 8-5)
02/22/15 at UCF W, 75-65 (17-10, 9-5)
02/26/15 vs SMU * TV FedExForum 8:00 p.m. CT
02/28/15 vs Tulsa * TV FedExForum 7:00 p.m. CT
03/05/15 at Connecticut * TV Storrs, Conn. 8:00 p.m. CT
03/08/15 at Cincinnati * TV Cincinnati, Ohio 11:00 a.m. CT
American Athletic Conference Championship - Hartford, Conn.
03/12/15 Opening Round TV
03/13/15 Quarterfinal Round TV
03/14/15 Semifinal Round TV
03/15/15 Championship Game TV


Memphis has 4 games remaining in the regular season.
Memphis will have at least 1 and no more than 4 games in the AAC Tournament.
Memphis may play in a post-season tournament.


Tracking Josh

Memphis Tigers Coaching Records
1. Larry Finch (1986-1997) 220-130 0.629 (20.0 WPS)
2. John Calipari (2000-2009) 214-69 0.756 (23.78 WPS) *
3. Zach Curlin (1924-1948) 173-184 0.485 (7.52 WPS) **
4. Dana Kirk (1979-1986) 158-58 0.731 (22.57 WPS)
5. Josh Pastner (2009-Present) 147-53 0.735 (26.0 WPS)
6. Bob Vanatta (1956-1962) 109-34 0.762 (18.17 WPS)
7. Wayne Yates (1974-1979) 93-49 0.655 (18.60 WPS)
8. Eugene Lambert (1951-1956) 87-45 0.659 (17.40 WPS)
9. Gene Bartow (1970-1974) 83-32 0.722 (20.75 WPS)
10. Dean Ehlers (1962-1966) 53-47 0.530 (13.25 WPS)
11. McCoy Tarry (1948-1951) 40-27 0.597 (13.33 WPS)
12. Moe Iba (1966-1970) 37-65 0.363 (9.25 WPS)
13. Tic Price (1997-1999) 30-27 0.526 (15.0 WPS)
14. Fredrick Grantham (1920-1921) 22-7 0.759 (22.0 WPS)
15. Johnny Jones (1999-2000) 15-16 0.484 (15.0 WPS)
16. Lester Barhard (1922-1924) 10-13 0.435 (5.0 WPS)
17. W. H. Depriest (1921-1922) 1-7 0.125 (1.0 WPS)

* 38 wins from 2007-2008 vacated by NCAA
** There was no team in 1943-44 due to World War II. The 1944-45 squad had to be made up of freshmen under the age of eighteen due to the draft. Two players received draft notices upon their 18th birthdays.

With his 73rd win in his 3rd season at Memphis Pastner became the winningest coach after three seasons in Tiger history.
With his 100th win in his 4th season at Memphis Pastner reached that milestone faster than any coach in Memphis history.

Josh tied Bob Vanatta for 5th with the 2013-14 win over Siena.
Josh took sole possession of 5th with the 2013-14 win over LSU.

Josh can tie Dana Kirk for 4th with 11 wins.
Josh can take sole possession of 4th with 12 wins.
It is mathematically impossible to reach 3rd.


Pastner's Record at Memphis and Overall Record (2009-15)
147-53 (.735) Overall
52-12 (.813) C-USA Reg Season
9-1 (.900) C-USA Tourney
61-13 (.824) C-USA Overall
21-10 (.677) AAC Reg Season
0-1 (.000) AAC Tourney
21-11 (.656) AAC Overall
73-22 (.768) Conference Reg Season
9-2 (.818) Conference Tourney
82-24 (.774) Conference Overall
2-4 (.333) NCAA Tournament

NCAA Tournament
2011 vs. Arizona L, 77-75
2012 vs. Saint Louis L, 61-54
2013 vs. Saint Mary's W, 54-52
2013 vs. Michigan State L, 70-48
2014 vs. George Washington W, 71-66
2014 vs. Virginia L, 78-60

Until you get to the guy at Nevada. You don't have a coach Iin an easier conference. That's why I could never buy into Cal's win totals but only his tournament wins.


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The measure of a good coach is how you compare when facing better or equal coaches with better or equally talented teams. Pastner has fallen short in that regard by a big margin, losing 80% of the time against that type of competition.

Racking up multiple losses to sub 200 RPI teams doesn't help his case either.

(02-25-2015 09:48 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  The measure of a good coach is how you compare when facing better or equal coaches with better or equally talented teams. Pastner has fallen short in that regard by a big margin, losing 80% of the time against that type of competition.

Racking up multiple losses to sub 200 RPI teams doesn't help his case either.

Last Year - 2013-14 Season

01/09/14 at Louisville, W, 73-67 def. Rick Pitino
02/01/14 at SMU, L, 87-72 lost Larry Brown
02/08/14 vs Gonzaga, W, 60-54 def. Mark Few
03/01/14 vs Louisville, W, 72-66 def. Rick Pitino
03/08/14 vs SMU, W, 67-58 def. Larry Brown

That's 3-1 vs Hall-of-Famers and 1-0 against a future Hall-of-Famer.

(02-26-2015 04:03 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 09:48 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  The measure of a good coach is how you compare when facing better or equal coaches with better or equally talented teams. Pastner has fallen short in that regard by a big margin, losing 80% of the time against that type of competition.

Racking up multiple losses to sub 200 RPI teams doesn't help his case either.

Last Year - 2013-14 Season

01/09/14 at Louisville, W, 73-67 def. Rick Pitino
02/01/14 at SMU, L, 87-72 lost Larry Brown
02/08/14 vs Gonzaga, W, 60-54 def. Mark Few
03/01/14 vs Louisville, W, 72-66 def. Rick Pitino
03/08/14 vs SMU, W, 67-58 def. Larry Brown

That's 3-1 vs Hall-of-Famers and 1-0 against a future Hall-of-Famer.

Are you purposely avoiding the other 5 years of his tenure? He's lost 80% of his games versus quality competiton.

Wasn't he 5-6 against ranked teams last year as well?
Not to mention 'hall of famer' frank haith (as josh called him) handing him his lunch this year.

(02-26-2015 11:13 AM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 04:03 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 09:48 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  The measure of a good coach is how you compare when facing better or equal coaches with better or equally talented teams. Pastner has fallen short in that regard by a big margin, losing 80% of the time against that type of competition.

Racking up multiple losses to sub 200 RPI teams doesn't help his case either.

Last Year - 2013-14 Season

01/09/14 at Louisville, W, 73-67 def. Rick Pitino
02/01/14 at SMU, L, 87-72 lost Larry Brown
02/08/14 vs Gonzaga, W, 60-54 def. Mark Few
03/01/14 vs Louisville, W, 72-66 def. Rick Pitino
03/08/14 vs SMU, W, 67-58 def. Larry Brown

That's 3-1 vs Hall-of-Famers and 1-0 against a future Hall-of-Famer.

Are you purposely avoiding the other 5 years of his tenure? He's lost 80% of his games versus quality competiton.

Wasn't he 5-6 against ranked teams last year as well?
Not to mention 'hall of famer' frank haith (as josh called him) handing him his lunch this year.

Wait, so you're saying that sweeping Rick Pitino and his ranked Cardinals and splitting with Larry Brown was not a good thing?

OP left Shaka off the list. He's at 158.

(02-26-2015 12:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  OP left Shaka off the list. He's at 158.

He didn't start the season on the list and I'm not putting effort into a Tracking Smart thread.

Pastner has to win a couple of more games to ensure he makes the top 10 because, as you mention, Smart has moved onto this list which bumps everyone down a spot.

(02-26-2015 11:38 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 11:13 AM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 04:03 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 09:48 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  The measure of a good coach is how you compare when facing better or equal coaches with better or equally talented teams. Pastner has fallen short in that regard by a big margin, losing 80% of the time against that type of competition.

Racking up multiple losses to sub 200 RPI teams doesn't help his case either.

Last Year - 2013-14 Season

01/09/14 at Louisville, W, 73-67 def. Rick Pitino
02/01/14 at SMU, L, 87-72 lost Larry Brown
02/08/14 vs Gonzaga, W, 60-54 def. Mark Few
03/01/14 vs Louisville, W, 72-66 def. Rick Pitino
03/08/14 vs SMU, W, 67-58 def. Larry Brown

That's 3-1 vs Hall-of-Famers and 1-0 against a future Hall-of-Famer.

Are you purposely avoiding the other 5 years of his tenure? He's lost 80% of his games versus quality competiton.

Wasn't he 5-6 against ranked teams last year as well?
Not to mention 'hall of famer' frank haith (as josh called him) handing him his lunch this year.

Wait, so you're saying that sweeping Rick Pitino and his ranked Cardinals and splitting with Larry Brown was not a good thing?

I'm saying you need to take the whole picture into account to get a true basis on reality.

(02-26-2015 12:33 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:08 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  OP left Shaka off the list. He's at 158.

He didn't start the season on the list and I'm not putting effort into a Tracking Smart thread.

Pastner has to win a couple of more games to ensure he makes the top 10 because, as you mention, Smart has moved onto this list which bumps everyone down a spot.

Yes he did.

Look at year five. ON. YOUR. OWN. POST:

5 SEASONS
1. Brad Stevens, Butler (2008-12) 139 (27.8 WPS)
2. Everett Case, North Carolina St. (1947-51) 137 (27.4 WPS)
3. Shaka Smart, VCU (2010-14) 137 (27.4 WPS)
4. Mark Few, Gonzaga (2000-04) 133 (26.6 WPS)
5. Roy Williams, Kansas (1989-93) 132 (26.4 WPS)
5. Jamie Dixon, Pittsburgh (2004-08) 132 (26.4 WPS)
7. Josh Pastner, Memphis (2009-14) 130 (26.0 WPS)
8. Dave Rose, BYU (2006-10) 127 (25.4 WPS)
9. Bruce Stewart, West Va. Wesleyan & Middle Tenn. (1983-87) 126 (25.2 WPS)
10. Forddy Anderson, Drake & Bradley (1947-51) 123 (24.6 WPS)
10. Mark Fox, Nevada (2005-08) 123 (24.6 WPS)


Oh, and one MORE coach that has gotten to a S16.

Since the point of all these stats is to show trends, the argument could be made that since JP was so bad against the top 25 in his early years and seemed to get better last year, maybe he is learning his craft (though I personally beleive it is a little of that and just the facts of more opportunity). This year is a down year. We aren't a top 25 team (maybe barely a top 50 team), so we really shouldn't expect to beat top 25 teams (though we can hope to upset them this year). While I don't like watching blow-out loses, I do understand why the happen when a young guy panicks to try to avoid them. It usually gets worse when you do desperate things (ie. push the ball too fast and make bad passes, take a 3 instead of relying on 2 successful trips feeding down low). These are the things we have to overcome to avoid the bad losses and win more close games. They are also signs of youth and inexperience on the bench. Can JP grow and lead us where we all want to go... I don't know. But I think people need to be realistic about what we are looking at. The recruiting classes that ACTUALLY PLAYED for Josh when you look at it year by year were really "the next best guys" and most of those teams still had fatal flaws in the line up. If you really study the teams position by position, we were probably where we should have been for most of the years (ie. 20-40ish). If you REALLY look at those teams, they were about where they should have been.

(02-26-2015 12:51 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 11:38 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 11:13 AM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 04:03 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 09:48 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  The measure of a good coach is how you compare when facing better or equal coaches with better or equally talented teams. Pastner has fallen short in that regard by a big margin, losing 80% of the time against that type of competition.

Racking up multiple losses to sub 200 RPI teams doesn't help his case either.

Last Year - 2013-14 Season

01/09/14 at Louisville, W, 73-67 def. Rick Pitino
02/01/14 at SMU, L, 87-72 lost Larry Brown
02/08/14 vs Gonzaga, W, 60-54 def. Mark Few
03/01/14 vs Louisville, W, 72-66 def. Rick Pitino
03/08/14 vs SMU, W, 67-58 def. Larry Brown

That's 3-1 vs Hall-of-Famers and 1-0 against a future Hall-of-Famer.

Are you purposely avoiding the other 5 years of his tenure? He's lost 80% of his games versus quality competiton.

Wasn't he 5-6 against ranked teams last year as well?
Not to mention 'hall of famer' frank haith (as josh called him) handing him his lunch this year.

Wait, so you're saying that sweeping Rick Pitino and his ranked Cardinals and splitting with Larry Brown was not a good thing?

I'm saying you need to take the whole picture into account to get a true basis on reality.

(02-26-2015 12:51 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 11:38 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 11:13 AM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 04:03 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-25-2015 09:48 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  The measure of a good coach is how you compare when facing better or equal coaches with better or equally talented teams. Pastner has fallen short in that regard by a big margin, losing 80% of the time against that type of competition.

Racking up multiple losses to sub 200 RPI teams doesn't help his case either.

Last Year - 2013-14 Season

01/09/14 at Louisville, W, 73-67 def. Rick Pitino
02/01/14 at SMU, L, 87-72 lost Larry Brown
02/08/14 vs Gonzaga, W, 60-54 def. Mark Few
03/01/14 vs Louisville, W, 72-66 def. Rick Pitino
03/08/14 vs SMU, W, 67-58 def. Larry Brown

That's 3-1 vs Hall-of-Famers and 1-0 against a future Hall-of-Famer.

Are you purposely avoiding the other 5 years of his tenure? He's lost 80% of his games versus quality competiton.

Wasn't he 5-6 against ranked teams last year as well?
Not to mention 'hall of famer' frank haith (as josh called him) handing him his lunch this year.

Wait, so you're saying that sweeping Rick Pitino and his ranked Cardinals and splitting with Larry Brown was not a good thing?

I'm saying you need to take the whole picture into account to get a true basis on reality.

The whole picture is he has been winning. This is a down season. This is the reality.

Will next season be better? I don't know, but I hope so.

Heck, will he be here next season? I don't know that, either, but I think he will be. If for no other reason than his incoming recruits.

(02-26-2015 01:46 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:51 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 11:38 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 11:13 AM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 04:03 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Last Year - 2013-14 Season

01/09/14 at Louisville, W, 73-67 def. Rick Pitino
02/01/14 at SMU, L, 87-72 lost Larry Brown
02/08/14 vs Gonzaga, W, 60-54 def. Mark Few
03/01/14 vs Louisville, W, 72-66 def. Rick Pitino
03/08/14 vs SMU, W, 67-58 def. Larry Brown

That's 3-1 vs Hall-of-Famers and 1-0 against a future Hall-of-Famer.

Are you purposely avoiding the other 5 years of his tenure? He's lost 80% of his games versus quality competiton.

Wasn't he 5-6 against ranked teams last year as well?
Not to mention 'hall of famer' frank haith (as josh called him) handing him his lunch this year.

Wait, so you're saying that sweeping Rick Pitino and his ranked Cardinals and splitting with Larry Brown was not a good thing?

I'm saying you need to take the whole picture into account to get a true basis on reality.

The whole picture is he has been winning. This is a down season. This is the reality.

Will next season be better? I don't know, but I hope so.

Heck, will he be here next season? I don't know that, either, but I think he will be. If for no other reason than his incoming recruits.

The Lawsons aren't coming here for JP.

(02-26-2015 02:04 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 01:46 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:51 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 11:38 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 11:13 AM)ToldYa Wrote:  Are you purposely avoiding the other 5 years of his tenure? He's lost 80% of his games versus quality competiton.

Wasn't he 5-6 against ranked teams last year as well?
Not to mention 'hall of famer' frank haith (as josh called him) handing him his lunch this year.

Wait, so you're saying that sweeping Rick Pitino and his ranked Cardinals and splitting with Larry Brown was not a good thing?

I'm saying you need to take the whole picture into account to get a true basis on reality.

The whole picture is he has been winning. This is a down season. This is the reality.

Will next season be better? I don't know, but I hope so.

Heck, will he be here next season? I don't know that, either, but I think he will be. If for no other reason than his incoming recruits.

The Lawsons aren't coming here for JP.

You're right.

But would they come here if JP got fired and the new coach came in and cleaned house (i.e. canned their dad)?

(02-26-2015 04:54 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 02:04 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 01:46 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 12:51 PM)ToldYa Wrote:  

(02-26-2015 11:38 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  Wait, so you're saying that sweeping Rick Pitino and his ranked Cardinals and splitting with Larry Brown was not a good thing?

I'm saying you need to take the whole picture into account to get a true basis on reality.

The whole picture is he has been winning. This is a down season. This is the reality.

Will next season be better? I don't know, but I hope so.

Heck, will he be here next season? I don't know that, either, but I think he will be. If for no other reason than his incoming recruits.

The Lawsons aren't coming here for JP.

You're right.

But would they come here if JP got fired and the new coach came in and cleaned house (i.e. canned their dad)?

Would anyone expect them to under that scenario?