We were attacked in both I and II. Totally different. When will the right learn?

(12-31-2014 02:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We were attacked in both I and II. Totally different. When will the right learn?

lol, I guess we just invited those jets to ram those towers. How quickly we forget.

And which country did that?

Oh my gawd..........

Don't blame 9-11 on either Iraq or Iran simpleton. You are exactly what is wrong with the modern GOP. Iran held candlelight vigils for the victims of 9-111. You probably didn't see those on FoxNews but they happened. Hell if anything Saddam was a nice little buffer between us and Al-Queada

And for once would one of you on the right who know better police this crap. Why is it always a leftie policing this when a guy tries to tie 9-11 into our military misadventures.

No national government was responsible for 9/11, although it's more likely than not that funds got shuffled under the table from some of them to help pay for it. This was one of our problems, we responded the way we would respond in a war with a territorial government, occupying territory. What we needed was a strategy to go straight to the head of the snake. Unfortunately, we had probably let our human intelligence capability deteriorate too far for us to be able to execute such a strategy. Going forward, we should anticipate a major challenge from irregular forces going forward, and should develop the capabilities to fight them as well as conventional forces.

I'd be inclined to take the Marines and tell them, "Figure out the right way to fight irregular forces in asymmetric situations, and develop a doctrine for doing so." I say the Marines because we don't need a huge force, and because it's really closer to some of their historic missions than it is for the other services. Let the Army and Air Force concentrate primarily on conventional engagements, although units like Green Berets would obviously be trained for both.

(12-31-2014 02:45 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Oh my gawd..........

Don't blame 9-11 on either Iraq or Iran simpleton. You are exactly what is wrong with the modern GOP. Iran held candlelight vigils for the victims of 9-111. You probably didn't see those on FoxNews but they happened. Hell if anything Saddam was a nice little buffer between us and Al-Queada

And for once would one of you on the right who know better police this crap. Why is it always a leftie policing this when a guy tries to tie 9-11 into our military misadventures.

Yeah, for the terrorists who flew the planes into the towers, the Pentagon and the field in PA.

Yeah, for the terrorists who flew the planes into the towers, the Pentagon and the field in PA.


Puhleazze

(12-31-2014 02:45 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Oh my gawd..........

Don't blame 9-11 on either Iraq or Iran simpleton. You are exactly what is wrong with the modern GOP. Iran held candlelight vigils for the victims of 9-111. You probably didn't see those on FoxNews but they happened. Hell if anything Saddam was a nice little buffer between us and Al-Queada

And for once would one of you on the right who know better police this crap. Why is it always a leftie policing this when a guy tries to tie 9-11 into our military misadventures.

Wasn't blaming any nation for 9-11. Refrain from the personal insults, it only detracts from the debate.

I don't know how else to describe it. You are saying we need a regime change in Iran because of 9-11. What else were you referring to with the jets in buildings comment? I don't understand it? I can show you polls where a high percentage of GOP voters thought Saddam had something to do with 9-11 around the invasion of Iraq.


It's political willful and implied negligence.

(12-31-2014 04:50 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don't know how else to describe it. You are saying we need a regime change in Iran because of 9-11.

You lost me there. Never said that.

Israel typically kicks @ss in the Middle East and doesn't prance around between bombs and building infrastructure while they do it. Which, is one of the reasons their war efforts have been successful in terms of getting things done and providing themselves security in an area surrounded with loonies.

Based of their history of handing out lickings to all those fools, it seems logical to use the threat of it when necessary. I don't actually think Israel would preemptively launch an all-out war on Iran without some backing, but I'm not opposed to them threatening to do it to maintain their existence.

Let's not forget, the Ayatollah and all his buddies use every radio message they can to actually threaten to wipe Israel off the map, just because their jews. That's it. They don't like them because their jewish. If we think racism is a problem here in the US still, clearly we have no grasp on what it's like to be jewish in the Middle East.

(12-31-2014 04:55 PM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  Israel typically kicks @ss in the Middle East and doesn't prance around between bombs and building infrastructure while they do it. Which, is one of the reasons their war efforts have been successful in terms of getting things done and providing themselves security in an area surrounded with loonies.

Based of their history of handing out lickings to all those fools, it seems logical to use the threat of it when necessary. I don't actually think Israel would preemptively launch an all-out war on Iran without some backing, but I'm not opposed to them threatening to do it to maintain their existence.

Let's not forget, the Ayatollah and all his buddies use every radio message they can to actually threaten to wipe Israel off the map, just because their jews. That's it. They don't like them because their jewish. If we think racism is a problem here in the US still, clearly we have no grasp on what it's like to be jewish in the Middle East.

Israel has to do what it has to do. I'm amazed at the restraint Israel has actually shown given that it's surrounded by people that want it wiped off the face of the earth.

(12-31-2014 12:59 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  If he reestablishes diplomatic relations with Iran with an embassy this guy is a transformative figure we haven't seen in decades.

Oil would be at 100 dollars a barrel and the world would be a more dangerous place if W's policies were still in place. There is simply no denying that.

Again, you make it seem as if GWB would have stood any chance at re-election without a military response to 9/11.

(12-31-2014 04:50 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don't know how else to describe it. You are saying we need a regime change in Iran because of 9-11. What else were you referring to with the jets in buildings comment? I don't understand it? I can show you polls where a high percentage of GOP voters thought Saddam had something to do with 9-11 around the invasion of Iraq.


It's political willful and implied negligence.

Don't confuse them with facts.

A military response???

We never should have went into Iraq. Period.

Go after the people who flew jets into buildings.


Establish diplomatic relations and commercial relationships with Iran. Learn from our history of meddling into other nations affairs. Rinse and repeat.

(12-31-2014 02:36 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 02:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We were attacked in both I and II. Totally different. When will the right learn?

lol, I guess we just invited those jets to ram those towers. How quickly we forget.

(12-31-2014 04:41 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
Yeah, for the terrorists who flew the planes into the towers, the Pentagon and the field in PA.


Puhleazze

So you deny that Iranians held candlelight vigils for the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11?

They held them for us!!!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=44b_13593...comments=1


Give peace a chance bro!

This thread has made me reevaluate Obama's first 6 years.