Since we are in constant comparison with the AAC; I though it would be interesting to take a closer look at the comparison of undergrad enrollments at each of our respective institutions. Based on US News Rankings for 2014, we stack up as follows:

AAC average 21,741
CUSA average 19,531

Of course keep in mind UCF has 51,269 and 31,000 for USF for the AAC. CUSA has 39,045 for FIU and 29,481 for UNT. Kind of skews the average; but you get the point. The really good news is that more of our universities are in High Growth southern cities! And these youngsters are the future ticket buyers and donating alums!

(12-29-2014 04:48 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Since we are in constant comparison with the AAC; I though it would be interesting to take a closer look at the comparison of undergrad enrollments at each of our respective institutions. Based on US News Rankings for 2014, we stack up as follows:

AAC average 21,741
CUSA average 19,531

Of course keep in mind UCF has 51,269 and 31,000 for USF for the AAC. CUSA has 39,045 for FIU and 29,481 for UNT. Kind of skews the average; but you get the point. The really good news is that more of our universities are in High Growth southern cities! And these youngsters are the future ticket buyers and donating alums!

The full time undergraduate enrollment for 2013-14 academic year at FIU was 25,645, UNT had 24,126, UTSA 19,890, Mdl Tn 17,354, FAU 15,566, Old Dominion 15,050, Western Ky 13,234, Utep 12,492, USM 10,829, Marshall 8211, La Tech 6273, and Rice as a private school does not report theirs. All of these huge enrollment figures we see for a lot of schools are correspondent courses, on line course, one night a week course, etc. In fact, one of my grand children is taking a high school chemistry course that, if he makes a certain grade, will be accepted by a local university if he enrolls there and they are counting him NOW as a student. The full time undergrads are what makes a school.

(12-29-2014 10:31 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 04:48 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Since we are in constant comparison with the AAC; I though it would be interesting to take a closer look at the comparison of undergrad enrollments at each of our respective institutions. Based on US News Rankings for 2014, we stack up as follows:

AAC average 21,741
CUSA average 19,531

Of course keep in mind UCF has 51,269 and 31,000 for USF for the AAC. CUSA has 39,045 for FIU and 29,481 for UNT. Kind of skews the average; but you get the point. The really good news is that more of our universities are in High Growth southern cities! And these youngsters are the future ticket buyers and donating alums!

The full time undergraduate enrollment for 2013-14 academic year at FIU was 25,645, UNT had 24,126, UTSA 19,890, Mdl Tn 17,354, FAU 15,566, Old Dominion 15,050, Western Ky 13,234, Utep 12,492, USM 10,829, Marshall 8211, La Tech 6273, and Rice as a private school does not report theirs. All of these huge enrollment figures we see for a lot of schools are correspondent courses, on line course, one night a week course, etc. In fact, one of my grand children is taking a high school chemistry course that, if he makes a certain grade, will be accepted by a local university if he enrolls there and they are counting him NOW as a student. The full time undergrads are what makes a school.

Rice is 3,920

(12-29-2014 10:31 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 04:48 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Since we are in constant comparison with the AAC; I though it would be interesting to take a closer look at the comparison of undergrad enrollments at each of our respective institutions. Based on US News Rankings for 2014, we stack up as follows:

AAC average 21,741
CUSA average 19,531

Of course keep in mind UCF has 51,269 and 31,000 for USF for the AAC. CUSA has 39,045 for FIU and 29,481 for UNT. Kind of skews the average; but you get the point. The really good news is that more of our universities are in High Growth southern cities! And these youngsters are the future ticket buyers and donating alums!

The full time undergraduate enrollment for 2013-14 academic year at FIU was 25,645, UNT had 24,126, UTSA 19,890, Mdl Tn 17,354, FAU 15,566, Old Dominion 15,050, Western Ky 13,234, Utep 12,492, USM 10,829, Marshall 8211, La Tech 6273, and Rice as a private school does not report theirs. All of these huge enrollment figures we see for a lot of schools are correspondent courses, on line course, one night a week course, etc. In fact, one of my grand children is taking a high school chemistry course that, if he makes a certain grade, will be accepted by a local university if he enrolls there and they are counting him NOW as a student. The full time undergrads are what makes a school.

So, basically when our universities report their enrollment figures they are just defrauding the public? Well, that's is a Buzzkill>?$#@%^ None of them make the distinction between fulltime and parttime in their published materials.

(12-29-2014 10:31 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 04:48 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Since we are in constant comparison with the AAC; I though it would be interesting to take a closer look at the comparison of undergrad enrollments at each of our respective institutions. Based on US News Rankings for 2014, we stack up as follows:

AAC average 21,741
CUSA average 19,531

Of course keep in mind UCF has 51,269 and 31,000 for USF for the AAC. CUSA has 39,045 for FIU and 29,481 for UNT. Kind of skews the average; but you get the point. The really good news is that more of our universities are in High Growth southern cities! And these youngsters are the future ticket buyers and donating alums!

The full time undergraduate enrollment for 2013-14 academic year at FIU was 25,645, UNT had 24,126, UTSA 19,890, Mdl Tn 17,354, FAU 15,566, Old Dominion 15,050, Western Ky 13,234, Utep 12,492, USM 10,829, Marshall 8211, La Tech 6273, and Rice as a private school does not report theirs. All of these huge enrollment figures we see for a lot of schools are correspondent courses, on line course, one night a week course, etc. In fact, one of my grand children is taking a high school chemistry course that, if he makes a certain grade, will be accepted by a local university if he enrolls there and they are counting him NOW as a student. The full time undergrads are what makes a school.

Actually, I believe ODU had 18,965 Undergraduate Students in 2013-14 with 5,501 enrolled as Postgraduates giving us a total enrollment of 24,466

New 2014 stats ..... 24,753 students attend Old Dominion University (ODU). Of its students, 19,367 are undergraduate students.

Charlotte had 18,309 as the full-time undergraduate number, 21,503 as the total number of undergraduates.

Tech shows 9545 undergraduates but don't assume EE isn't gonna start a good ole fashion tinkling contest with these numbers before this thread plays out.

No university posts their actual numbers. Higher ed uses what is known as FTE "Full Time Equivalent". Because we are on the quarter system, full time for us is minimum of 8 hours and max of 12. Most semester schools are fulltime minimum of 12 and max of 18 (I am sure there are exceptions). So if you take one student at Tech taking 12 hours and another student taking 12 hours, combined that would be 24 hours. So you take those total hours and divide by your full time minimum. This gives you an enrollment count of 3 even though you only have two people taking classes. Colleges and universities therefore most often announce their FTE as their enrollment. Sucks, but that is the kind of bureaucratic nonsense you get when dealing with the government.

(12-30-2014 02:02 AM)Kingkong13 Wrote:  Tech shows 9545 undergraduates but don't assume EE isn't gonna start a good ole fashion tinkling contest with these numbers before this thread plays out.

EE is underground and still dealing with our win in HOD bowl - must be a rough life

Yea our enrollment is actually in the 13,000s not 8,000s.

WKU was over 20, 000 enrollment....We were the fastest growing school in the state for 10 years plus...Now enrollment has leveled off and declined a little last few years....

(12-30-2014 10:24 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  WKU was over 20, 000 enrollment....We were the fastest growing school in the state for 10 years plus...Now enrollment has leveled off and declined a little last few years....

Ours has dropped the last 2-3 years. They've developed a plan in Tennessee whereby students can attend a community college for the first two years for free and it is killing enrollment at state universities, not just Middle Tennessee.

(12-30-2014 11:12 AM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:24 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  WKU was over 20, 000 enrollment....We were the fastest growing school in the state for 10 years plus...Now enrollment has leveled off and declined a little last few years....

Ours has dropped the last 2-3 years. They've developed a plan in Tennessee whereby students can attend a community college for the first two years for free and it is killing enrollment at state universities, not just Middle Tennessee.

That's an awesome plan.

I think utsa's is larger than that.

(12-30-2014 11:12 AM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:24 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  WKU was over 20, 000 enrollment....We were the fastest growing school in the state for 10 years plus...Now enrollment has leveled off and declined a little last few years....

Ours has dropped the last 2-3 years. They've developed a plan in Tennessee whereby students can attend a community college for the first two years for free and it is killing enrollment at state universities, not just Middle Tennessee.

This "Free Tennessee Junior College" plan was nothing more than thievery by the Governor and the Legislature from the existing Lottery scholarship program which already provided a $2,000 to $3,000 annual stipend to worthy Freshman and Sophomores at MT and other state universities for qualified students. Our state government concluded we don't need any graduates with BS or BA degrees. Associate Degree level folks can fill our low paying jobs in Tennessee just fine!

(12-30-2014 02:02 AM)Kingkong13 Wrote:  Tech shows 9545 undergraduates but don't assume EE isn't gonna start a good ole fashion tinkling contest with these numbers before this thread plays out.

It was the Louisiana Tech University administration who counted their FULL TIME undergraduate students and reported it to the U.S. Dept of Education. I was not involved. Note it was for academic year 2013-2014.

(12-30-2014 04:13 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 11:12 AM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:24 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  WKU was over 20, 000 enrollment....We were the fastest growing school in the state for 10 years plus...Now enrollment has leveled off and declined a little last few years....

Ours has dropped the last 2-3 years. They've developed a plan in Tennessee whereby students can attend a community college for the first two years for free and it is killing enrollment at state universities, not just Middle Tennessee.

This "Free Tennessee Junior College" plan was nothing more than thievery by the Governor and the Legislature from the existing Lottery scholarship program which already provided a $2,000 to $3,000 annual stipend to worthy Freshman and Sophomores at MT and other state universities for qualified students. Our state government concluded we don't need any graduates with BS or BA degrees. Associate Degree level folks can fill our low paying jobs in Tennessee just fine!

Makes perfect sense to me. The university "bubble" is about to burst and we're headed towards a shortage of qualified technical personnel in America. Somewhere along the line we started brainwashing High Schoolers into thinking 4 year university is something that is a good fit for everybody.

Given the choice between the two, I'd much rather kids go the JUCO route and possibly decide they'd rather perform some sort of trade or learn a technical skill that can be applied in the real world than those same kids pursue a liberal arts profession or law.

(12-30-2014 02:59 AM)LATech95 Wrote:  No university posts their actual numbers. Higher ed uses what is known as FTE "Full Time Equivalent". Because we are on the quarter system, full time for us is minimum of 8 hours and max of 12. Most semester schools are fulltime minimum of 12 and max of 18 (I am sure there are exceptions). So if you take one student at Tech taking 12 hours and another student taking 12 hours, combined that would be 24 hours. So you take those total hours and divide by your full time minimum. This gives you an enrollment count of 3 even though you only have two people taking classes. Colleges and universities therefore most often announce their FTE as their enrollment. Sucks, but that is the kind of bureaucratic nonsense you get when dealing with the government.

I am not challenging your comments because this is a fuzzy area, especially when you start comparing quarter hours to semester hours, etc. Regardless, a student graduating from a school on the semester basis needs 120 sem hrs. One graduating from a school on quarter basis needs 180 qtr hrs. Basically, when all is added up, a student would spend the same number of CLASSROOM hours whether in one system or the other.

The average course load for a student on the semester basis is five 3hr courses meeting three times per wk per semester. Thats 15 sem hrs per sem times two or 30hrs per yr times four is 120 sem hrs and he is out. A student on qtr basis takes an average of four courses meeting four times per week to avg 15qtr hrs times three quarters or 45 for the year times four yrs equals 180 to graduate. These average a bit more or less depending upon labs, non credit courses, etc.

The "FTE", full time equivalent you mentioned is used to ESTIMATE or convert part time students to their equivalent as full time. For example, there are 50 students taking just six semester hours each which does not qualify them as full time because the minimum is 12hrs for full time status. Those 50 earn a total of 300 credit hours THEN DIVIDED BY 12 hrs their FTE is 25 full timers. This conversion is usually reserved for matters such as budgeting, etc.

You might want to reexamine your example for Tech. You show minimum for full time as 8hrs but thats only two courses meeting four times per wk, hardly full time.

Regardless, the figures I quoted so far as FULL TIME UNDERGRADUATES were those provided to the Dept of Education by each schools OWN ADMINISTSTRATION. They do not include Full Time Equvalents because the full timers are accurate and BROKEN DOWN BY GENDER which is the reason for the report in the first place.

(12-30-2014 02:02 AM)Kingkong13 Wrote:  Tech shows 9545 undergraduates but don't assume EE isn't gonna start a good ole fashion tinkling contest with these numbers before this thread plays out.

How many of those do you think are full time? That number includes EVERYONE taking even one under grad course.

(12-30-2014 08:07 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 02:02 AM)Kingkong13 Wrote:  Tech shows 9545 undergraduates but don't assume EE isn't gonna start a good ole fashion tinkling contest with these numbers before this thread plays out.

How many of those do you think are full time? That number includes EVERYONE taking even one under grad course.

Won't that same logic apply to every other school in the country as well?

Good to have you back and what did you think of the HOD Bowl game last week?