(12-29-2014 04:39 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 04:04 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  I agree with almost everything said here but I'll add one that's off the radar: put together a bowl travel package for fans similar to the one that they do for students. I understand that you couldn't possibly advertise a $55 price point or anything close to that, but why couldn't they do something similar for the average fan? Heck the prospect of travel, hotel and ticket all in one would be very appealing to some, but not all, and may even push more people to a bowl game that isn't an Access Bowl. I think some travel company could come in to partner on all the logistics and be a good partner for something like this. You could have buses that could be party buses, some for families and some for people who just want a peaceful, quiet ride. Just an idea, just throwing it out there.

Hasn't Provident Travel offered a Bowl travel package every year we've gone to one?

If they have it hasn't been well advertised. I had a long conversation with my coworkers who are season ticket holders and huge UC fans and we all agreed that a travel package like the one students could buy was a great idea. Maybe they just need to market it better.

Holding out hope for the Access Bowl, which means 11-2 something like that.
We lose all of out production at LB. Payne isn't a LB, they move up toward the line
but he covers WRs, RB. Allonce, Mitchell and Pace (hope his surgery went well) and a couple
of others should play well at DT. LB will be a concern, I guess it will be Kevin Mouhon, Kevin
Brown, Eric Wilson and would not be shocked to see Kevin Hyland get reps. Wonder if EJ Junior
moves to LB? No idea who will replace Hartsfield and Jordan at the other DE position.

Regarding have more QBs ready to play, if your 1st and 2nd stringers are injured going to the 3rd and 4th
option is a struggle for every single program in the country. Those guys do not get reps and of course
have no game experience. There are rare occasions when the 3rd or 4th string guys excel, Joe Montana did it, so
did Pike.

Offense should be fine.

Does anyone have quotes from Tubs when he says they don't take bowl games seriously, and they do
not prepare? Curious because we out gained Tech by 150 yards.

Quote:

(12-29-2014 05:41 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Holding out hope for the Access Bowl, which means 11-2 something like that.
We lose all of out production at LB. Payne isn't a LB, they move up toward the line
but he covers WRs, RB. Allonce, Mitchell and Pace (hope his surgery went well) and a couple
of others should play well at DT. LB will be a concern, I guess it will be Kevin Mouhon, Kevin
Brown, Eric Wilson and would not be shocked to see Kevin Hyland get reps. Wonder if EJ Junior
moves to LB? No idea who will replace Hartsfield and Jordan at the other DE position.

Regarding have more QBs ready to play, if your 1st and 2nd stringers are injured going to the 3rd and 4th
option is a struggle for every single program in the country. Those guys do not get reps and of course
have no game experience. There are rare occasions when the 3rd or 4th string guys excel, Joe Montana did it, so
did Pike.

Offense should be fine.

Does anyone have quotes from Tubs when he says they don't take bowl games seriously, and they do
not prepare? Curious because we out gained Tech by 150 yards.

I think Mark Wilson will be the next man in at DE. Hopefully the Prep School kid from NC will be ready to contribute right away because we will need him.

IIRC they are trying to petition another year for Clemente Cassius at LB. If that is granted I see him starting. Hopefully the JUCO they are brining in will be ready to contribute right away. He has a tremendous physique and looks to be a big hitter but from what I can see does not appear to have a lot of lateral quickness.

With Miliano graduating is Grantz kicking off for us next year? I don't know what to expect from him but hopefully he will be able to boot it out of

the endzone consistently.

Clifton, did Cassius get hurt or did he quit the program?

(12-29-2014 05:41 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Holding out hope for the Access Bowl, which means 11-2 something like that.
We lose all of out production at LB. Payne isn't a LB, they move up toward the line
but he covers WRs, RB. Allonce, Mitchell and Pace (hope his surgery went well) and a couple
of others should play well at DT. LB will be a concern, I guess it will be Kevin Mouhon, Kevin
Brown, Eric Wilson and would not be shocked to see Kevin Hyland get reps. Wonder if EJ Junior
moves to LB? No idea who will replace Hartsfield and Jordan at the other DE position.

Regarding have more QBs ready to play, if your 1st and 2nd stringers are injured going to the 3rd and 4th
option is a struggle for every single program in the country. Those guys do not get reps and of course
have no game experience. There are rare occasions when the 3rd or 4th string guys excel, Joe Montana did it, so
did Pike.

Offense should be fine.

Does anyone have quotes from Tubs when he says they don't take bowl games seriously, and they do
not prepare? Curious because we out gained Tech by 150 yards.

First, I do not think I can find a quote from a poster that says they don't take the bowl game seriously, and they do not prepare. However there are a million quotes with Tubs talking about having fun at the bowl. In addition, others witnessed behavior by players considered less than regimented. Couple that with the general sloppy play in the game over the last two years and most fans connect the dots. Some examples of Sloppy play would consist of dropped passes and missed throws. The prior year had egregious mistakes on special teams. The cats were not sharp at all in either of these games.

On the other hand, you may come to a different conclusion.

(12-29-2014 06:43 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:41 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Holding out hope for the Access Bowl, which means 11-2 something like that.
We lose all of out production at LB. Payne isn't a LB, they move up toward the line
but he covers WRs, RB. Allonce, Mitchell and Pace (hope his surgery went well) and a couple
of others should play well at DT. LB will be a concern, I guess it will be Kevin Mouhon, Kevin
Brown, Eric Wilson and would not be shocked to see Kevin Hyland get reps. Wonder if EJ Junior
moves to LB? No idea who will replace Hartsfield and Jordan at the other DE position.

Regarding have more QBs ready to play, if your 1st and 2nd stringers are injured going to the 3rd and 4th
option is a struggle for every single program in the country. Those guys do not get reps and of course
have no game experience. There are rare occasions when the 3rd or 4th string guys excel, Joe Montana did it, so
did Pike.

Offense should be fine.

Does anyone have quotes from Tubs when he says they don't take bowl games seriously, and they do
not prepare? Curious because we out gained Tech by 150 yards.

First, I do not think I can find a quote from a poster that says they don't take the bowl game seriously, and they do not prepare. However there are a million quotes with Tubs talking about having fun at the bowl. In addition, others witnessed behavior by players considered less than regimented. Couple that with the general sloppy play in the game over the last two years and most fans connect the dots. Some examples of Sloppy play would consist of dropped passes and missed throws. The prior year had egregious mistakes on special teams. The cats were not sharp at all in either of these games.

On the other hand, you may come to a different conclusion.

This board is littered with trash about how Tubs did not take the bowl game serious.
Are you talking about shaq dropping a pass? He did that multiple time in the regular season. It is amazing that if a player drops a pass, misses a tackle that equates to lazy coaching. Can you provide one of the million quotes by Tubs that having "fun" at the bowl game was more important that being prepared. BTW football should be fun, including the bowl game.

(12-29-2014 10:48 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 06:43 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:41 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Holding out hope for the Access Bowl, which means 11-2 something like that.
We lose all of out production at LB. Payne isn't a LB, they move up toward the line
but he covers WRs, RB. Allonce, Mitchell and Pace (hope his surgery went well) and a couple
of others should play well at DT. LB will be a concern, I guess it will be Kevin Mouhon, Kevin
Brown, Eric Wilson and would not be shocked to see Kevin Hyland get reps. Wonder if EJ Junior
moves to LB? No idea who will replace Hartsfield and Jordan at the other DE position.

Regarding have more QBs ready to play, if your 1st and 2nd stringers are injured going to the 3rd and 4th
option is a struggle for every single program in the country. Those guys do not get reps and of course
have no game experience. There are rare occasions when the 3rd or 4th string guys excel, Joe Montana did it, so
did Pike.

Offense should be fine.

Does anyone have quotes from Tubs when he says they don't take bowl games seriously, and they do
not prepare? Curious because we out gained Tech by 150 yards.

First, I do not think I can find a quote from a poster that says they don't take the bowl game seriously, and they do not prepare. However there are a million quotes with Tubs talking about having fun at the bowl. In addition, others witnessed behavior by players considered less than regimented. Couple that with the general sloppy play in the game over the last two years and most fans connect the dots. Some examples of Sloppy play would consist of dropped passes and missed throws. The prior year had egregious mistakes on special teams. The cats were not sharp at all in either of these games.

On the other hand, you may come to a different conclusion.

This board is littered with trash about how Tubs did not take the bowl game serious.
Are you talking about shaq dropping a pass? He did that multiple time in the regular season. It is amazing that if a player drops a pass, misses a tackle that equates to lazy coaching. Can you provide one of the million quotes by Tubs that having "fun" at the bowl game was more important that being prepared. BTW football should be fun, including the bowl game.

There is not a single quote with Tubs saying, "having fun was more important than being prepared." Of course, I did not say he did. Its my opinion that the last two bowl games were very sloppy. In the two bowl games, there are lots of physical and mental mistakes. The teams do not project a sense of discipline, and the coach has multiple interviews about the importance of fun. The team does not look or act prepared. I know there is a large level of subjectivity in this opinion, but RES IPSA LOQuitar.

(12-29-2014 11:29 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 10:48 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 06:43 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:41 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Holding out hope for the Access Bowl, which means 11-2 something like that.
We lose all of out production at LB. Payne isn't a LB, they move up toward the line
but he covers WRs, RB. Allonce, Mitchell and Pace (hope his surgery went well) and a couple
of others should play well at DT. LB will be a concern, I guess it will be Kevin Mouhon, Kevin
Brown, Eric Wilson and would not be shocked to see Kevin Hyland get reps. Wonder if EJ Junior
moves to LB? No idea who will replace Hartsfield and Jordan at the other DE position.

Regarding have more QBs ready to play, if your 1st and 2nd stringers are injured going to the 3rd and 4th
option is a struggle for every single program in the country. Those guys do not get reps and of course
have no game experience. There are rare occasions when the 3rd or 4th string guys excel, Joe Montana did it, so
did Pike.

Offense should be fine.

Does anyone have quotes from Tubs when he says they don't take bowl games seriously, and they do
not prepare? Curious because we out gained Tech by 150 yards.

First, I do not think I can find a quote from a poster that says they don't take the bowl game seriously, and they do not prepare. However there are a million quotes with Tubs talking about having fun at the bowl. In addition, others witnessed behavior by players considered less than regimented. Couple that with the general sloppy play in the game over the last two years and most fans connect the dots. Some examples of Sloppy play would consist of dropped passes and missed throws. The prior year had egregious mistakes on special teams. The cats were not sharp at all in either of these games.

On the other hand, you may come to a different conclusion.

This board is littered with trash about how Tubs did not take the bowl game serious.
Are you talking about shaq dropping a pass? He did that multiple time in the regular season. It is amazing that if a player drops a pass, misses a tackle that equates to lazy coaching. Can you provide one of the million quotes by Tubs that having "fun" at the bowl game was more important that being prepared. BTW football should be fun, including the bowl game.

There is not a single quote with Tubs saying, "having fun was more important than being prepared." Of course, I did not say he did. Its my opinion that the last two bowl games were very sloppy. In the two bowl games, there are lots of physical and mental mistakes. The teams do not project a sense of discipline, and the coach has multiple interviews about the importance of fun. The team does not look or act prepared. I know there is a large level of subjectivity in this opinion, but RES IPSA LOQuitar.

I do not agree with that. We went right down the field on the them multiple times. Scored a TD, missed a FG. then tied the score before the long ko return and Tech FG to end the half. We had 150 yards of more offense, forced a fumble that we did not recover, tipped pass we could have picked. The players fought their butts off the entire game. We went to the 3rd string QB mid way through the 3rd Q.

The Bearcats were ready to play the game.

(12-29-2014 11:29 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 10:48 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 06:43 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:41 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Holding out hope for the Access Bowl, which means 11-2 something like that.
We lose all of out production at LB. Payne isn't a LB, they move up toward the line
but he covers WRs, RB. Allonce, Mitchell and Pace (hope his surgery went well) and a couple
of others should play well at DT. LB will be a concern, I guess it will be Kevin Mouhon, Kevin
Brown, Eric Wilson and would not be shocked to see Kevin Hyland get reps. Wonder if EJ Junior
moves to LB? No idea who will replace Hartsfield and Jordan at the other DE position.

Regarding have more QBs ready to play, if your 1st and 2nd stringers are injured going to the 3rd and 4th
option is a struggle for every single program in the country. Those guys do not get reps and of course
have no game experience. There are rare occasions when the 3rd or 4th string guys excel, Joe Montana did it, so
did Pike.

Offense should be fine.

Does anyone have quotes from Tubs when he says they don't take bowl games seriously, and they do
not prepare? Curious because we out gained Tech by 150 yards.

First, I do not think I can find a quote from a poster that says they don't take the bowl game seriously, and they do not prepare. However there are a million quotes with Tubs talking about having fun at the bowl. In addition, others witnessed behavior by players considered less than regimented. Couple that with the general sloppy play in the game over the last two years and most fans connect the dots. Some examples of Sloppy play would consist of dropped passes and missed throws. The prior year had egregious mistakes on special teams. The cats were not sharp at all in either of these games.

On the other hand, you may come to a different conclusion.

This board is littered with trash about how Tubs did not take the bowl game serious.
Are you talking about shaq dropping a pass? He did that multiple time in the regular season. It is amazing that if a player drops a pass, misses a tackle that equates to lazy coaching. Can you provide one of the million quotes by Tubs that having "fun" at the bowl game was more important that being prepared. BTW football should be fun, including the bowl game.

There is not a single quote with Tubs saying, "having fun was more important than being prepared." Of course, I did not say he did. Its my opinion that the last two bowl games were very sloppy. In the two bowl games, there are lots of physical and mental mistakes. The teams do not project a sense of discipline, and the coach has multiple interviews about the importance of fun. The team does not look or act prepared. I know there is a large level of subjectivity in this opinion, but RES IPSA LOQuitar.

For those that are not lawyers, or have no idea what that means:

res ipsa loquitur

(rayz ip-sah loh-quit-her) n. Latin for "the thing speaks for itself," a doctrine of law that one is presumed to be negligent if he/she/it had exclusive control of whatever caused the injury even though there is no specific evidence of an act of negligence, and without negligence the accident would not have happened.

I just want to see an invite to a P5. That is the biggest, best, and most important thing that could happen to UC athletics.

At the very least, after being in a power conference** for nine years, what I don't expect is to be consistently leapfrogged by newcomers to our conference, and those that have been stuck in the G5 for the duration. Examples:

Memphis
UCF
Colorado State
Boise State
Marshall

I want to get into an access bowl PRONTO. For now, I will recognize that our interior lines were in shoddy shape, as a fallout from the Jones tenure. But, I see that excuse wearing out within the next two years. I'm not quite as negative on CTT as many on here. Not overjoyed, but if there is one thing, he can certainly bring in players. I'll be happy if he can continue that.

** I know the Big East was not considered my most to be a "power conference" but it was a huge step up from the rest.

(12-30-2014 11:52 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  At the very least, after being in a power conference** for nine years, what I don't expect is to be consistently leapfrogged by newcomers to our conference, and those that have been stuck in the G5 for the duration. Examples:

Memphis
UCF
Colorado State
Boise State
Marshall

I want to get into an access bowl PRONTO. For now, I will recognize that our interior lines were in shoddy shape, as a fallout from the Jones tenure. But, I see that excuse wearing out within the next two years. I'm not quite as negative on CTT as many on here. Not overjoyed, but if there is one thing, he can certainly bring in players. I'll be happy if he can continue that.

This is spot on.

(12-30-2014 11:52 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  At the very least, after being in a power conference** for nine years, what I don't expect is to be consistently leapfrogged by newcomers to our conference, and those that have been stuck in the G5 for the duration. Examples:

Memphis
UCF
Colorado State
Boise State
Marshall

I want to get into an access bowl PRONTO. For now, I will recognize that our interior lines were in shoddy shape, as a fallout from the Jones tenure. But, I see that excuse wearing out within the next two years. I'm not quite as negative on CTT as many on here. Not overjoyed, but if there is one thing, he can certainly bring in players. I'll be happy if he can continue that.

Marshall has another piss poor OOC schedule. Cato was a senior.
Boise has a solid OOC schedule and will challenge to win MWC.
Memphis is losing a ton of defensive starters.
UCF is solid and should be better on offense next season and D is good.
CSU lost their head coach.

We need to win 3/4 of our OOC games, then win our division, and hopefully host the CCG at Nippert. 11-2.

(12-29-2014 11:40 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 11:29 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 10:48 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 06:43 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:41 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Holding out hope for the Access Bowl, which means 11-2 something like that.
We lose all of out production at LB. Payne isn't a LB, they move up toward the line
but he covers WRs, RB. Allonce, Mitchell and Pace (hope his surgery went well) and a couple
of others should play well at DT. LB will be a concern, I guess it will be Kevin Mouhon, Kevin
Brown, Eric Wilson and would not be shocked to see Kevin Hyland get reps. Wonder if EJ Junior
moves to LB? No idea who will replace Hartsfield and Jordan at the other DE position.

Regarding have more QBs ready to play, if your 1st and 2nd stringers are injured going to the 3rd and 4th
option is a struggle for every single program in the country. Those guys do not get reps and of course
have no game experience. There are rare occasions when the 3rd or 4th string guys excel, Joe Montana did it, so
did Pike.

Offense should be fine.

Does anyone have quotes from Tubs when he says they don't take bowl games seriously, and they do
not prepare? Curious because we out gained Tech by 150 yards.

First, I do not think I can find a quote from a poster that says they don't take the bowl game seriously, and they do not prepare. However there are a million quotes with Tubs talking about having fun at the bowl. In addition, others witnessed behavior by players considered less than regimented. Couple that with the general sloppy play in the game over the last two years and most fans connect the dots. Some examples of Sloppy play would consist of dropped passes and missed throws. The prior year had egregious mistakes on special teams. The cats were not sharp at all in either of these games.

On the other hand, you may come to a different conclusion.

This board is littered with trash about how Tubs did not take the bowl game serious.
Are you talking about shaq dropping a pass? He did that multiple time in the regular season. It is amazing that if a player drops a pass, misses a tackle that equates to lazy coaching. Can you provide one of the million quotes by Tubs that having "fun" at the bowl game was more important that being prepared. BTW football should be fun, including the bowl game.

There is not a single quote with Tubs saying, "having fun was more important than being prepared." Of course, I did not say he did. Its my opinion that the last two bowl games were very sloppy. In the two bowl games, there are lots of physical and mental mistakes. The teams do not project a sense of discipline, and the coach has multiple interviews about the importance of fun. The team does not look or act prepared. I know there is a large level of subjectivity in this opinion, but RES IPSA LOQuitar.

I do not agree with that. We went right down the field on the them multiple times. Scored a TD, missed a FG. then tied the score before the long ko return and Tech FG to end the half. We had 150 yards of more offense, forced a fumble that we did not recover, tipped pass we could have picked. The players fought their butts off the entire game. We went to the 3rd string QB mid way through the 3rd Q.

The Bearcats were ready to play the game.

I guess those that support the "not taking the game serious" train of thought believe that this team looked even more undisciplined than it usually has, not just under Tubbs but even under BJones. I tend to agree more with SuperFly in that the team looked like it normally does and played like it normally does. There were wide open dropped passes in every game this year... useless and defenseless penalties galore -- on both sides of the ball...blown routes, dropped coverages - you name it. The difference is that in conference UC's offensive prowess was usually enough to overcome the ineptitude - against a P5 opponent (even a middle of the pack one) in a bowl game, UC is not going to have that ability. We are not an ELITE program, we are not O$U or 'Bama or Oregon or F$U or even TCU or Baylor that can score almost at will. Hopefully, in the 3rd year of his regime, Tubbs has the talent and FB knowledge to work with to focus on eliminating the sloppiness that IMO cost UC consistently through the season. Not just in W and L's but in injuries to the QBs that should not have happened and production that would have made this team "look" far superior to the product it put on the field.

And with all due respect, I'm tired of hearing how because Tubbs doesn't go all Huggins-like on the sidelines, he obviously doesn't care or take things seriously. Different coaches, different players react and lead differently. To the best of my knowledge, Tubbs has never consistently been the red-faced, screaming coach. Generally, in a stadium with 30K - let alone 60K or more like in the P5, all those theatrics are just that. When he's needed to make a point to the officials, Tubbs has done that. As for players, I believe his coaching style has been to let his position and assistant coaches deal with that. The man is there to win games -- and he's done a pretty good job to date IMO

(12-29-2014 11:40 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 11:29 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 10:48 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 06:43 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:41 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Holding out hope for the Access Bowl, which means 11-2 something like that.
We lose all of out production at LB. Payne isn't a LB, they move up toward the line
but he covers WRs, RB. Allonce, Mitchell and Pace (hope his surgery went well) and a couple
of others should play well at DT. LB will be a concern, I guess it will be Kevin Mouhon, Kevin
Brown, Eric Wilson and would not be shocked to see Kevin Hyland get reps. Wonder if EJ Junior
moves to LB? No idea who will replace Hartsfield and Jordan at the other DE position.

Regarding have more QBs ready to play, if your 1st and 2nd stringers are injured going to the 3rd and 4th
option is a struggle for every single program in the country. Those guys do not get reps and of course
have no game experience. There are rare occasions when the 3rd or 4th string guys excel, Joe Montana did it, so
did Pike.

Offense should be fine.

Does anyone have quotes from Tubs when he says they don't take bowl games seriously, and they do
not prepare? Curious because we out gained Tech by 150 yards.

First, I do not think I can find a quote from a poster that says they don't take the bowl game seriously, and they do not prepare. However there are a million quotes with Tubs talking about having fun at the bowl. In addition, others witnessed behavior by players considered less than regimented. Couple that with the general sloppy play in the game over the last two years and most fans connect the dots. Some examples of Sloppy play would consist of dropped passes and missed throws. The prior year had egregious mistakes on special teams. The cats were not sharp at all in either of these games.

On the other hand, you may come to a different conclusion.

This board is littered with trash about how Tubs did not take the bowl game serious.
Are you talking about shaq dropping a pass? He did that multiple time in the regular season. It is amazing that if a player drops a pass, misses a tackle that equates to lazy coaching. Can you provide one of the million quotes by Tubs that having "fun" at the bowl game was more important that being prepared. BTW football should be fun, including the bowl game.

There is not a single quote with Tubs saying, "having fun was more important than being prepared." Of course, I did not say he did. Its my opinion that the last two bowl games were very sloppy. In the two bowl games, there are lots of physical and mental mistakes. The teams do not project a sense of discipline, and the coach has multiple interviews about the importance of fun. The team does not look or act prepared. I know there is a large level of subjectivity in this opinion, but RES IPSA LOQuitar.

I do not agree with that. We went right down the field on the them multiple times. Scored a TD, missed a FG. then tied the score before the long ko return and Tech FG to end the half. We had 150 yards of more offense, forced a fumble that we did not recover, tipped pass we could have picked. The players fought their butts off the entire game. We went to the 3rd string QB mid way through the 3rd Q.

The Bearcats were ready to play the game.

And if the spearing/targeting call is correctly made that takes 7 points off their board, and let's say we get a field goal out of that drive, all else the same. We lose 26-20 to a team we were, what, a 2 1/2 point favorite over, playing what is basically a home game for them. Clearly we didn't play our best game, but despite the final score, we weren't blown away.

(12-30-2014 12:47 PM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 11:40 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 11:29 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 10:48 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 06:43 PM)rosewater Wrote:  First, I do not think I can find a quote from a poster that says they don't take the bowl game seriously, and they do not prepare. However there are a million quotes with Tubs talking about having fun at the bowl. In addition, others witnessed behavior by players considered less than regimented. Couple that with the general sloppy play in the game over the last two years and most fans connect the dots. Some examples of Sloppy play would consist of dropped passes and missed throws. The prior year had egregious mistakes on special teams. The cats were not sharp at all in either of these games.

On the other hand, you may come to a different conclusion.

This board is littered with trash about how Tubs did not take the bowl game serious.
Are you talking about shaq dropping a pass? He did that multiple time in the regular season. It is amazing that if a player drops a pass, misses a tackle that equates to lazy coaching. Can you provide one of the million quotes by Tubs that having "fun" at the bowl game was more important that being prepared. BTW football should be fun, including the bowl game.

There is not a single quote with Tubs saying, "having fun was more important than being prepared." Of course, I did not say he did. Its my opinion that the last two bowl games were very sloppy. In the two bowl games, there are lots of physical and mental mistakes. The teams do not project a sense of discipline, and the coach has multiple interviews about the importance of fun. The team does not look or act prepared. I know there is a large level of subjectivity in this opinion, but RES IPSA LOQuitar.

I do not agree with that. We went right down the field on the them multiple times. Scored a TD, missed a FG. then tied the score before the long ko return and Tech FG to end the half. We had 150 yards of more offense, forced a fumble that we did not recover, tipped pass we could have picked. The players fought their butts off the entire game. We went to the 3rd string QB mid way through the 3rd Q.

The Bearcats were ready to play the game.

I guess those that support the "not taking the game serious" train of thought believe that this team looked even more undisciplined than it usually has, not just under Tubbs but even under BJones. I tend to agree more with SuperFly in that the team looked like it normally does and played like it normally does. There were wide open dropped passes in every game this year... useless and defenseless penalties galore -- on both sides of the ball...blown routes, dropped coverages - you name it. The difference is that in conference UC's offensive prowess was usually enough to overcome the ineptitude - against a P5 opponent (even a middle of the pack one) in a bowl game, UC is not going to have that ability. We are not an ELITE program, we are not O$U or 'Bama or Oregon or F$U or even TCU or Baylor that can score almost at will. Hopefully, in the 3rd year of his regime, Tubbs has the talent and FB knowledge to work with to focus on eliminating the sloppiness that IMO cost UC consistently through the season. Not just in W and L's but in injuries to the QBs that should not have happened and production that would have made this team "look" far superior to the product it put on the field.

And with all due respect, I'm tired of hearing how because Tubbs doesn't go all Huggins-like on the sidelines, he obviously doesn't care or take things seriously. Different coaches, different players react and lead differently. To the best of my knowledge, Tubbs has never consistently been the red-faced, screaming coach. Generally, in a stadium with 30K - let alone 60K or more like in the P5, all those theatrics are just that. When he's needed to make a point to the officials, Tubbs has done that. As for players, I believe his coaching style has been to let his position and assistant coaches deal with that. The man is there to win games -- and he's done a pretty good job to date IMO

I think the notion that TT is disinterested during the games is inaccurate. I have a good friend who was down on the field on the UC sidelines for most of our home games this season and she said he is very involved and vocal. For example, during the ECU game he noticed all the receivers were huddled over on the heated benches yucking it up during a critical defensive series and he when over, chewed them a new one and made them come up to the sideline and cheer the D on.

No "let down" losses.
Consistency and competitiveness in every game.
No more hearing "we have to play better," "we need to tackle better," "we've got to get after it better," etc.
Make _ucking HALFTIME ADJUSTMENTS!
Gunner to take his football IQ to the next level.
Mike Boone, Mike Boone, Mike Boone!
Sold out Nippert for all home games.
Win the conference outright and have a shot at the Access Bowl.

(12-30-2014 11:52 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  At the very least, after being in a power conference** for nine years, what I don't expect is to be consistently leapfrogged by newcomers to our conference, and those that have been stuck in the G5 for the duration. Examples:

Memphis
UCF
Colorado State
Boise State
Marshall

I want to get into an access bowl PRONTO. For now, I will recognize that our interior lines were in shoddy shape, as a fallout from the Jones tenure. But, I see that excuse wearing out within the next two years. I'm not quite as negative on CTT as many on here. Not overjoyed, but if there is one thing, he can certainly bring in players. I'll be happy if he can continue that.

** I know the Big East was not considered my most to be a "power conference" but it was a huge step up from the rest.

We're gonna take some hits on the lines and we'll have to see how the youngins step in. I want to see us win the AAC outright. I'd consider that succesful.

I look forward to seeing a healthy Gunner hitting on those deep passes that he kept underthrowing the second half of the season.

Also, I want to see the offense connect on the wheel routes.

Hopefully, the coaching staff will have more confidence in the DB's to play on islands and bring pressure more often. Of course, before that happens, the DB communication needs to improve to eliminate the high number of blown assignments that gave away points this season.

(12-30-2014 12:47 PM)Cal1362 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 11:40 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 11:29 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 10:48 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 06:43 PM)rosewater Wrote:  First, I do not think I can find a quote from a poster that says they don't take the bowl game seriously, and they do not prepare. However there are a million quotes with Tubs talking about having fun at the bowl. In addition, others witnessed behavior by players considered less than regimented. Couple that with the general sloppy play in the game over the last two years and most fans connect the dots. Some examples of Sloppy play would consist of dropped passes and missed throws. The prior year had egregious mistakes on special teams. The cats were not sharp at all in either of these games.

On the other hand, you may come to a different conclusion.

This board is littered with trash about how Tubs did not take the bowl game serious.
Are you talking about shaq dropping a pass? He did that multiple time in the regular season. It is amazing that if a player drops a pass, misses a tackle that equates to lazy coaching. Can you provide one of the million quotes by Tubs that having "fun" at the bowl game was more important that being prepared. BTW football should be fun, including the bowl game.

There is not a single quote with Tubs saying, "having fun was more important than being prepared." Of course, I did not say he did. Its my opinion that the last two bowl games were very sloppy. In the two bowl games, there are lots of physical and mental mistakes. The teams do not project a sense of discipline, and the coach has multiple interviews about the importance of fun. The team does not look or act prepared. I know there is a large level of subjectivity in this opinion, but RES IPSA LOQuitar.

I do not agree with that. We went right down the field on the them multiple times. Scored a TD, missed a FG. then tied the score before the long ko return and Tech FG to end the half. We had 150 yards of more offense, forced a fumble that we did not recover, tipped pass we could have picked. The players fought their butts off the entire game. We went to the 3rd string QB mid way through the 3rd Q.

The Bearcats were ready to play the game.

I guess those that support the "not taking the game serious" train of thought believe that this team looked even more undisciplined than it usually has, not just under Tubbs but even under BJones. I tend to agree more with SuperFly in that the team looked like it normally does and played like it normally does. There were wide open dropped passes in every game this year... useless and defenseless penalties galore -- on both sides of the ball...blown routes, dropped coverages - you name it. The difference is that in conference UC's offensive prowess was usually enough to overcome the ineptitude - against a P5 opponent (even a middle of the pack one) in a bowl game, UC is not going to have that ability. We are not an ELITE program, we are not O$U or 'Bama or Oregon or F$U or even TCU or Baylor that can score almost at will. Hopefully, in the 3rd year of his regime, Tubbs has the talent and FB knowledge to work with to focus on eliminating the sloppiness that IMO cost UC consistently through the season. Not just in W and L's but in injuries to the QBs that should not have happened and production that would have made this team "look" far superior to the product it put on the field.

And with all due respect, I'm tired of hearing how because Tubbs doesn't go all Huggins-like on the sidelines, he obviously doesn't care or take things seriously. Different coaches, different players react and lead differently. To the best of my knowledge, Tubbs has never consistently been the red-faced, screaming coach. Generally, in a stadium with 30K - let alone 60K or more like in the P5, all those theatrics are just that. When he's needed to make a point to the officials, Tubbs has done that. As for players, I believe his coaching style has been to let his position and assistant coaches deal with that. The man is there to win games -- and he's done a pretty good job to date IMO

I do not understand your connection with Jones. His teams seemed much more disciplined. As far as same usual performance, our high octane offense scored 17 points, our third lowest of the season.

Don't get me wrong, I am not wanting to run Tubbs out on a rail, but I think he needs to be more prepared at the beginning and end of the season. It is a pattern that cannot be ignored.