(12-29-2014 05:36 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:33 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:21 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:17 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:00 PM)3601 Wrote:  Not to mention that Davis isn't a total blue chip recruit. It's not like he's the #1 ranked QB in his class. He is the 60th ranked QB in his class.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/footba...xton-lynch

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/footba...rady-davis

Are you in favor of benching our QB who led us to 10 wins? Also don't forget that Lynch had injured his knee the made him miss most of the season. Florida was interested till that happened.

If there's somebody better, yes.

I highly doubt there is any high school recruit going to any college next year that would start in place of Lynch. He has done too much and proven too much this year to start a true freshman in his place. We did not go 6-6 or have a mediocre season this year. He led the team to one of the best finishes in program history.

Well, that first sentence is ridiculous. But your overall point is probably true. I think there are plenty of other QB's that are better than Lynch (not saying Davis is one of them). However, the season we just has was pretty good and doesn't leave a lot of room for improvement in terms of wins/losses.

(12-29-2014 05:41 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:36 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:33 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:21 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:17 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/college-sports/footba...xton-lynch

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/footba...rady-davis

Are you in favor of benching our QB who led us to 10 wins? Also don't forget that Lynch had injured his knee the made him miss most of the season. Florida was interested till that happened.

If there's somebody better, yes.

I highly doubt there is any high school recruit going to any college next year that would start in place of Lynch. He has done too much and proven too much this year to start a true freshman in his place. We did not go 6-6 or have a mediocre season this year. He led the team to one of the best finishes in program history.

Well, that first sentence is ridiculous. But your overall point is probably true. I think there are plenty of other QB's that are better than Lynch (not saying Davis is one of them). However, the season we just has was pretty good and doesn't leave a lot of room for improvement in terms of wins/losses.

You are vastly underestimating the adjustment from high school to college football...

(12-29-2014 05:34 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:26 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:17 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:00 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 04:51 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  Davis will be a true freshman. Lynch will be returning as a 2 year starter who lead the Tigers to 10 wins for the first time since the 1930s, won the (a share) conference championship for the first time since the 1970s, won a bowl game for the time since 2005, and set an all time record for points scored in a season. Oh and by the way threw for over 3,000 yards with 22 touchdowns and only 9 interceptions... So ya, I assume Lynch will be that much better...

Not to mention that Davis isn't a total blue chip recruit. It's not like he's the #1 ranked QB in his class. He is the 60th ranked QB in his class.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/footba...xton-lynch

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/footba...rady-davis

I don't even have to open the link. I assume you are going to post that Lynch wasn't highly ranked either. Is that a correct assumption?

If so, apples and oranges. Lynch didn't take over for a 2 year returning starter who just won 10 games the previous season.

Like I wrote before, 2 year starters practically never lose their jobs. It just doesn't happen.

Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow, Vince Young, Drew Brees, Eli Manning...none of these guys started their FR years.

Paxton Lynch did.

He didn't replace a 2 year returning starter who just won 10 games. My guess is that Davis won't either. Next.

(12-29-2014 05:45 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:41 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:36 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:33 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:21 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  Are you in favor of benching our QB who led us to 10 wins? Also don't forget that Lynch had injured his knee the made him miss most of the season. Florida was interested till that happened.

If there's somebody better, yes.

I highly doubt there is any high school recruit going to any college next year that would start in place of Lynch. He has done too much and proven too much this year to start a true freshman in his place. We did not go 6-6 or have a mediocre season this year. He led the team to one of the best finishes in program history.

Well, that first sentence is ridiculous. But your overall point is probably true. I think there are plenty of other QB's that are better than Lynch (not saying Davis is one of them). However, the season we just has was pretty good and doesn't leave a lot of room for improvement in terms of wins/losses.

You are vastly underestimating the adjustment from high school to college football...

Either...

A. he just didn't get it
B. he is being argumentative

Is it possible for a FR to win the job? Sure.
Is it likely? No.
Is it likely when you have a 2 year returning starter? Hell no.

Lynch RS Jr - Starter
Stewart RS Sr - Backup
Hologoren RS Frosh - #3
Davis Redshirt - #4

Good for the kid. I hope he does well where every he goes as long as its not utk or miss. hehe

Tubbervill represents stability since he will retire there. Fuentes might not be here in 2years. As long as that instability is here, it will affect some recruits.

(12-29-2014 05:48 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:45 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:41 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:36 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:33 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  If there's somebody better, yes.

I highly doubt there is any high school recruit going to any college next year that would start in place of Lynch. He has done too much and proven too much this year to start a true freshman in his place. We did not go 6-6 or have a mediocre season this year. He led the team to one of the best finishes in program history.

Well, that first sentence is ridiculous. But your overall point is probably true. I think there are plenty of other QB's that are better than Lynch (not saying Davis is one of them). However, the season we just has was pretty good and doesn't leave a lot of room for improvement in terms of wins/losses.

You are vastly underestimating the adjustment from high school to college football...

Either...

A. he just didn't get it
B. he is being argumentative

Is it possible for a FR to win the job? Sure.
Is it likely? No.
Is it likely when you have a 2 year returning starter? Hell no.

B. is the correct answer. But to say that no freshman in the country would start in place of Lynch is pretty crazy.

Brady davis is not going to start as a true freshman. He will likely be redshirted if everything shakes out the way the staff would like.

Paxton will be the starter for 2 more years, barring injury, and Brady will start 3 years from now as a RS SO.

Holgorsen, Clay Like to see him in the mix next year.

(12-30-2014 10:17 AM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:48 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:45 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:41 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:36 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  I highly doubt there is any high school recruit going to any college next year that would start in place of Lynch. He has done too much and proven too much this year to start a true freshman in his place. We did not go 6-6 or have a mediocre season this year. He led the team to one of the best finishes in program history.

Well, that first sentence is ridiculous. But your overall point is probably true. I think there are plenty of other QB's that are better than Lynch (not saying Davis is one of them). However, the season we just has was pretty good and doesn't leave a lot of room for improvement in terms of wins/losses.

You are vastly underestimating the adjustment from high school to college football...

Either...

A. he just didn't get it
B. he is being argumentative

Is it possible for a FR to win the job? Sure.
Is it likely? No.
Is it likely when you have a 2 year returning starter? Hell no.

B. is the correct answer. But to say that no freshman in the country would start in place of Lynch is pretty crazy.

Nobody said that.

(12-30-2014 11:13 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:17 AM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:48 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:45 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:41 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  Well, that first sentence is ridiculous. But your overall point is probably true. I think there are plenty of other QB's that are better than Lynch (not saying Davis is one of them). However, the season we just has was pretty good and doesn't leave a lot of room for improvement in terms of wins/losses.

You are vastly underestimating the adjustment from high school to college football...

Either...

A. he just didn't get it
B. he is being argumentative

Is it possible for a FR to win the job? Sure.
Is it likely? No.
Is it likely when you have a 2 year returning starter? Hell no.

B. is the correct answer. But to say that no freshman in the country would start in place of Lynch is pretty crazy.

Nobody said that.

Tygrys said "I highly doubt there is any high school recruit going to any college next year that would start in place of Lynch."

(12-30-2014 11:48 AM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 11:13 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 10:17 AM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:48 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:45 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  You are vastly underestimating the adjustment from high school to college football...

Either...

A. he just didn't get it
B. he is being argumentative

Is it possible for a FR to win the job? Sure.
Is it likely? No.
Is it likely when you have a 2 year returning starter? Hell no.

B. is the correct answer. But to say that no freshman in the country would start in place of Lynch is pretty crazy.

Nobody said that.

Tygrys said "I highly doubt there is any high school recruit going to any college next year that would start in place of Lynch."

He might be right if you are talking about true freshman as opposed to a RS freshman. Even if a freshman has better ability there aren't many coaches in the country who would start a true freshman with a few weeks of camp over a RS Junior with two years of starting experience.

Stuff like that just doesn't happen very often if ever.

If you looked back through the history of college football it is possible that a two year returning starter coming off a 10 win season has NEVER been replaced by a true freshman.

If it has happened then it is EXTREMELY rare.

Is it impossible? No.

(12-30-2014 10:17 AM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:48 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:45 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:41 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:36 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  I highly doubt there is any high school recruit going to any college next year that would start in place of Lynch. He has done too much and proven too much this year to start a true freshman in his place. We did not go 6-6 or have a mediocre season this year. He led the team to one of the best finishes in program history.

Well, that first sentence is ridiculous. But your overall point is probably true. I think there are plenty of other QB's that are better than Lynch (not saying Davis is one of them). However, the season we just has was pretty good and doesn't leave a lot of room for improvement in terms of wins/losses.

You are vastly underestimating the adjustment from high school to college football...

Either...

A. he just didn't get it
B. he is being argumentative

Is it possible for a FR to win the job? Sure.
Is it likely? No.
Is it likely when you have a 2 year returning starter? Hell no.

B. is the correct answer. But to say that no freshman in the country would start in place of Lynch is pretty crazy.

Here... This is why it is not crazy and why it would in fact actually be crazy to start pretty much any true freshman in the country ahead of him next year...

"The answers aren’t pretty so there isn’t any point in sugar coating. I looked at true freshmen quarterbacks since the 2003 season that played at least 10 games and averaged at least 20 plays (passes+rushes). During that time only eight qualifying quarterbacks have had a positive PAN (Points Above Normal, Opponent Adjusted). Only three have been greater than +1. For reference, last year there were 58 quarterbacks who had positive PAN with at 20 plays per game. There obviously aren’t a ton of true freshman playing most of the snaps in a given year, but eight players in eleven seasons to be above average is a tiny number.

Four of the eight were from BCS programs and of those Robert Griffin, Tyrod Taylor and Terrelle Pryor all had a rushing portion of their game that really helped them. That leaves one pro style true freshman BCS quarterback in the last 11 seasons who had a positive PAN. That player was Matt Barkley in 2009. It should also be noted that the 2009 USC offense was the most highly ranked offensive unit in terms of recruiting profile in the internet era of recruiting. And it’s not that close. Surrounded by all of that talent a true freshman Matt Barkley had a PAN of +1.1. For a 2012 comparison, +1.1 is right between David Ash of Texas and Tevin Washington of Georgia Tech. Over 11 years, that is the best case scenario..."

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/brief-history...arterbacks

(12-29-2014 05:45 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:34 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:26 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:17 PM)memphis88 Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 05:00 PM)3601 Wrote:  Not to mention that Davis isn't a total blue chip recruit. It's not like he's the #1 ranked QB in his class. He is the 60th ranked QB in his class.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/footba...xton-lynch

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/footba...rady-davis

I don't even have to open the link. I assume you are going to post that Lynch wasn't highly ranked either. Is that a correct assumption?

If so, apples and oranges. Lynch didn't take over for a 2 year returning starter who just won 10 games the previous season.

Like I wrote before, 2 year starters practically never lose their jobs. It just doesn't happen.

Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow, Vince Young, Drew Brees, Eli Manning...none of these guys started their FR years.

Paxton Lynch did.

He didn't replace a 2 year returning starter who just won 10 games. My guess is that Davis won't either. Next.

Redshirt Davis coming in...so that he only sits on the bench 1 year...and plays as a redshirt sophomore. Problem solved.