(12-30-2014 02:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 12:37 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Maybe I am confused. The ACC is 3-4 in bowl games so far with BC and Duke both blowing games in overtime or late in the 4th. Other than UNC, who in the ACC got slaughtered?

You are confused - the ACC is 1-4 in bowl games versus other P5. Wins against G5 aren't worth mentioning.

Please remember you said this, not a P5 fan. I was very happy with our win against UCF.

(12-30-2014 02:54 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 02:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 12:37 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Maybe I am confused. The ACC is 3-4 in bowl games so far with BC and Duke both blowing games in overtime or late in the 4th. Other than UNC, who in the ACC got slaughtered?

You are confused - the ACC is 1-4 in bowl games versus other P5. Wins against G5 aren't worth mentioning.

Please remember you said this, not a P5 fan. I was very happy with our win against UCF.

Good for you. :)

Does Baylor's loss to UCF in last year's bowl not count?

Duke loses by 5 to #15 AZ State. A 7-5 BC loses to Penn State by 1 in OT. A 6-6 Miami loses by 3 to South Carolina. Not seeing much "slaughter" there.

(12-30-2014 04:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Duke loses by 5 to #15 AZ State. A 7-5 BC loses to Penn State by 1 in OT. A 6-6 Miami loses by 3 to South Carolina. Not seeing much "slaughter" there.

The slaughter is in the wins and losses. BC and Miami were favorites, BTW. So was UNC.

(12-30-2014 04:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Duke loses by 5 to #15 AZ State. A 7-5 BC loses to Penn State by 1 in OT. A 6-6 Miami loses by 3 to South Carolina. Not seeing much "slaughter" there.

I think he means that the slaughter is the bowl record...

(12-30-2014 04:47 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 04:11 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Duke loses by 5 to #15 AZ State. A 7-5 BC loses to Penn State by 1 in OT. A 6-6 Miami loses by 3 to South Carolina. Not seeing much "slaughter" there.

The slaughter is in the wins and losses. BC and Miami were favorites, BTW. So was UNC.

Ah, you beat me to it.

Figured it'd be some dumb excuse/response.

(12-30-2014 04:58 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Figured it'd be some dumb excuse/response.

Winless in bowl games so far is a slaughter regardless of point spread. You don't have to be sour about it.

The ACC is no longer winless against P5 bowl teams after last night. Of course, if Louisville and Ga Tech both should beat their SEC opponents, I'm sure you guys will dream up some other reason why ACC football is inferior to the other P5 conferences (one of which is winless in bowls, PERIOD).

ACC football is already good and still on the rise. That's your 2014 version of "an inconvenient truth". Deal with it.

(12-30-2014 05:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The ACC is no longer winless against P5 bowl teams after last night. Of course, if Louisville and Ga Tech both should beat their SEC opponents, I'm sure you guys will dream up some other reason why ACC football is inferior to the other P5 conferences (one of which is winless in bowls, PERIOD).

ACC football is already good and still on the rise. That's your 2014 version of "an inconvenient truth". Deal with it.

Do you ACC nuts even bother to read the original message? It was about what happened on those two bowl days only, and i said the ACC had chances to rebound.

Good Lord.

(12-30-2014 05:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The ACC is no longer winless against P5 bowl teams after last night. Of course, if Louisville and Ga Tech both should beat their SEC opponents, I'm sure you guys will dream up some other reason why ACC football is inferior to the other P5 conferences (one of which is winless in bowls, PERIOD).

ACC football is already good and still on the rise. That's your 2014 version of "an inconvenient truth". Deal with it.

It's not really on the rise. But I wouldn't be surprised if GT beat MSU, GT looks good this year. I have no idea why UGA was paired with Louisville.

(12-30-2014 05:23 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 05:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  ACC football is already good and still on the rise...

It's not really on the rise...

Maybe you are right. Maybe it just looks that way because LSU is
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(12-30-2014 05:23 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 05:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The ACC is no longer winless against P5 bowl teams after last night. Of course, if Louisville and Ga Tech both should beat their SEC opponents, I'm sure you guys will dream up some other reason why ACC football is inferior to the other P5 conferences (one of which is winless in bowls, PERIOD).

ACC football is already good and still on the rise. That's your 2014 version of "an inconvenient truth". Deal with it.

It's not really on the rise. But I wouldn't be surprised if GT beat MSU, GT looks good this year. I have no idea why UGA was paired with Louisville.

On paper, I liked the UGA vs UL pairing. Two ranked teams, a venerable but disappointing SEC team versus an up and coming Cardinals team, closer to Georgia but in ACC territory.

FWIW, I think both Mississippi schools lose their BCS bowl games.

As for the ACC - they are now 1-5 vs P5 in these bowls.

(12-31-2014 07:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 05:23 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 05:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The ACC is no longer winless against P5 bowl teams after last night. Of course, if Louisville and Ga Tech both should beat their SEC opponents, I'm sure you guys will dream up some other reason why ACC football is inferior to the other P5 conferences (one of which is winless in bowls, PERIOD).

ACC football is already good and still on the rise. That's your 2014 version of "an inconvenient truth". Deal with it.

It's not really on the rise. But I wouldn't be surprised if GT beat MSU, GT looks good this year. I have no idea why UGA was paired with Louisville.

On paper, I liked the UGA vs UL pairing. Two ranked teams, a venerable but disappointing SEC team versus an up and coming Cardinals team, closer to Georgia but in ACC territory.

FWIW, I think both Mississippi schools lose their BCS bowl games.

As for the ACC - they are now 1-5 vs P5 in these bowls.

I'm on the other side with the Mississippi Schools...Mississippi State has to month to prepare for the Option and With Ole Miss/TCU it goimg to come down to mindset.

(12-31-2014 08:37 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 07:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 05:23 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 05:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The ACC is no longer winless against P5 bowl teams after last night. Of course, if Louisville and Ga Tech both should beat their SEC opponents, I'm sure you guys will dream up some other reason why ACC football is inferior to the other P5 conferences (one of which is winless in bowls, PERIOD).

ACC football is already good and still on the rise. That's your 2014 version of "an inconvenient truth". Deal with it.

It's not really on the rise. But I wouldn't be surprised if GT beat MSU, GT looks good this year. I have no idea why UGA was paired with Louisville.

On paper, I liked the UGA vs UL pairing. Two ranked teams, a venerable but disappointing SEC team versus an up and coming Cardinals team, closer to Georgia but in ACC territory.

FWIW, I think both Mississippi schools lose their BCS bowl games.

As for the ACC - they are now 1-5 vs P5 in these bowls.

I'm on the other side with the Mississippi Schools...Mississippi State has to month to prepare for the Option and With Ole Miss/TCU it goimg to come down to mindset.

I don't know what is going to happen with MSU and GT. I think it should be a fun game to watch. It is hard to prepare for the option if you don't face it often, which means it is generally hard to prepare for GT. I would expect GT to perhaps control the game early and hopefully MSU gets it figured out after a quarter or two.

In terms of Ole Miss and TCU, I think that is one of the best match ups of the Bowls. I expect TCU to feel like they have something to prove but at the same time I also expect there to be some let down left over from being ranked #3 and then in the last week being knocked down all the way to #6 with a big win over ISU.

We often see teams come out to bowls like this playing flat when they don't have the same drive that they had during the season. If Ole Miss comes out strong and hungry then this could end up being a continuance of a very ugly Big 12 Bowl season.

(12-31-2014 08:37 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 07:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 05:23 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 05:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The ACC is no longer winless against P5 bowl teams after last night. Of course, if Louisville and Ga Tech both should beat their SEC opponents, I'm sure you guys will dream up some other reason why ACC football is inferior to the other P5 conferences (one of which is winless in bowls, PERIOD).

ACC football is already good and still on the rise. That's your 2014 version of "an inconvenient truth". Deal with it.

It's not really on the rise. But I wouldn't be surprised if GT beat MSU, GT looks good this year. I have no idea why UGA was paired with Louisville.

On paper, I liked the UGA vs UL pairing. Two ranked teams, a venerable but disappointing SEC team versus an up and coming Cardinals team, closer to Georgia but in ACC territory.

FWIW, I think both Mississippi schools lose their BCS bowl games.

As for the ACC - they are now 1-5 vs P5 in these bowls.

I'm on the other side with the Mississippi Schools...Mississippi State has to month to prepare for the Option and With Ole Miss/TCU it goimg to come down to mindset.

IMO, you really can't prepare for the option except by actually playing against it. I think GT is going to do to Mississippi State what they did to FSU, but MST lacks the offense to match them score for score like FSU could.

Like last year, I think the top of the ACC is right up there with anyone, and expect the ACC to do well in the big games coming up. GT will beat MST today, and FSU will beat Oregon tomorrow.

And Pitt should finish the mop-up of AAC schools in that other bowl.

(12-30-2014 05:23 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 05:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The ACC is no longer winless against P5 bowl teams after last night. Of course, if Louisville and Ga Tech both should beat their SEC opponents, I'm sure you guys will dream up some other reason why ACC football is inferior to the other P5 conferences (one of which is winless in bowls, PERIOD).

ACC football is already good and still on the rise. That's your 2014 version of "an inconvenient truth". Deal with it.

It's not really on the rise. But I wouldn't be surprised if GT beat MSU, GT looks good this year. I have no idea why UGA was paired with Louisville.

How can you say it isn't on the rise?

Certainly from a few years ago it is.

(12-31-2014 08:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 08:37 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 07:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 05:23 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 05:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The ACC is no longer winless against P5 bowl teams after last night. Of course, if Louisville and Ga Tech both should beat their SEC opponents, I'm sure you guys will dream up some other reason why ACC football is inferior to the other P5 conferences (one of which is winless in bowls, PERIOD).

ACC football is already good and still on the rise. That's your 2014 version of "an inconvenient truth". Deal with it.

It's not really on the rise. But I wouldn't be surprised if GT beat MSU, GT looks good this year. I have no idea why UGA was paired with Louisville.

On paper, I liked the UGA vs UL pairing. Two ranked teams, a venerable but disappointing SEC team versus an up and coming Cardinals team, closer to Georgia but in ACC territory.

FWIW, I think both Mississippi schools lose their BCS bowl games.

As for the ACC - they are now 1-5 vs P5 in these bowls.

I'm on the other side with the Mississippi Schools...Mississippi State has to month to prepare for the Option and With Ole Miss/TCU it goimg to come down to mindset.

IMO, you really can't prepare for the option except by actually playing against it. I think GT is going to do to Mississippi State what they did to FSU, but MST lacks the offense to match them score for score like FSU could.

Like last year, I think the top of the ACC is right up there with anyone, and expect the ACC to do well in the big games coming up. GT will beat MST today, and FSU will beat Oregon tomorrow.

And Pitt should finish the mop-up of AAC schools in that other bowl.

Never bet on Pitt in the post season...too flakey Especially with the coaching situation.

(12-31-2014 08:59 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 05:23 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-30-2014 05:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The ACC is no longer winless against P5 bowl teams after last night. Of course, if Louisville and Ga Tech both should beat their SEC opponents, I'm sure you guys will dream up some other reason why ACC football is inferior to the other P5 conferences (one of which is winless in bowls, PERIOD).

ACC football is already good and still on the rise. That's your 2014 version of "an inconvenient truth". Deal with it.

It's not really on the rise. But I wouldn't be surprised if GT beat MSU, GT looks good this year. I have no idea why UGA was paired with Louisville.

How can you say it isn't on the rise?

Certainly from a few years ago it is.

Honestly, the only difference in ACC football I see from say 3 years ago is ... FSU. FSU is back to being the dominant national title contender they were in the 80s and 90s. But the rest of the ACC? I don't see the improvement.

And I have a suspicion that FSU's rise is really just about one guy - Winston. Jimbo never sniffed a national title contender before Winston arrived, and let's face it, what would FSU's record be this year without him? 8-4? Do they squeak by Auburn last year without him? Nope.

Winston really is the most impactful multi-year player since Tommy Frazier almost 20 years ago. With him, FSU might win two national titles, without him, they don't win anything other than the ACC in 2013. You can't say that about any of the other top teams of the past two decades - e.g., is there any one guy you take off any of Alabama's three recent national title winners that would likely have cost them any of those titles? Nope. Or LSU's two national titles? Nope. Or USC's tainted streak a few years back? No. That's why the FSU admins and coaches and fan base have defended Winston so viciously. All the glory of the last two years comes from him.

So even FSU's resurgence may be fleeting, ending when Winston finally flees the campus.