(12-27-2014 11:36 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Coaching staff salaries are going to eat up all that TV money the P5 schools get.

And G5 head coaches will gladly become OC and DC's for these P5 schools.

Maybe the universities should just sell their football programs, sorta like what states do with toll road $. I mean having a 10 million coach to play football has no basis. Or the states could just takeover the programs.

(12-28-2014 01:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-27-2014 11:36 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Coaching staff salaries are going to eat up all that TV money the P5 schools get.

And G5 head coaches will gladly become OC and DC's for these P5 schools.

It kind of already happened....Garrack McGee left UAB Last year to be Louisville OC...and he does not call the plays that is Petrino.

(12-28-2014 01:35 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 01:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-27-2014 11:36 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Coaching staff salaries are going to eat up all that TV money the P5 schools get.

And G5 head coaches will gladly become OC and DC's for these P5 schools.

It kind of already happened....Garrack McGee left UAB Last year to be Louisville OC...and he does not call the plays that is Petrino.

You also see the exact opposite happens too.

Houston just hired Ohio State's OC Tom Herman to be their new head coach. That's a transition from P5 OC to G5 HC.

(12-28-2014 02:16 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 01:35 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 01:14 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-27-2014 11:36 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Coaching staff salaries are going to eat up all that TV money the P5 schools get.

And G5 head coaches will gladly become OC and DC's for these P5 schools.

It kind of already happened....Garrack McGee left UAB Last year to be Louisville OC...and he does not call the plays that is Petrino.

You also see the exact opposite happens too.

Houston just hired Ohio State's OC Tom Herman to be their new head coach. That's a transition from P5 OC to G5 HC.

Mike Bobo to Colorado State from Georgia as well...that is the norm...what is being now whispered is not...A G5 HC going to be a Coordinator...plus both Bobo and Harman are going to the Top G5 Leagues...the worry is for schools IMO From the C-USA, MAC and Sunbelt...

(12-28-2014 12:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  This seems like a good thread to bring up a new "prediction" in regards to this subject. There is a certain quarterback that is currently playing in the NFL. I consider myself a fan of this player but not the team in general. This player has been absolutely dominant for years but this year it has been clearly visible that he is having a serious drop off in the capability of his arm. It is not just talk, the guy throws ducks and has relied upon his receivers to make major adjustments to the ball.

I think most, if not all of you, know exactly who I am talking about. With this kind of money being tossed around at coaches, he would definitely be worth it just in name recognition alone.

Here is the prediction. I think he will follow a path similar to what Urban Meyer did. He will take a year to relax and enjoy just sitting in a chair and talking. Hello ESPN.

He is one of the most competitive players in the game though, he wont be able to stay away. He can take that year or so to figure out what kind of offense he would want to run. I wonder, how solid is the Offensive Coordinator position at Tennessee? Being in that position would make him be the heir apparent. He is that big of a deal and Tennessee could really use that kind of a lightning rod there. They need something to light up their brand again. I highly doubt that Manning cant run an offense, he has been running his own play calling on the field for years.

I cant see him wanting to coach at the NFL level for awhile. His competitive nature would make it hard to agree to stand on the sidelines and watch guys that he was just playing against.


So, who do you folks think might look to break into this new paradigm of huge money for coaches in college?

I can't see Peyton coaching in college. He'll likely either be a TV guy, which he is already really good at, or coach in the NFL. The only way I see hm coaching in college is to take the Jim Harbaugh route of coaching college to move up faster to get the pros attention.

(12-28-2014 05:57 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  This seems like a good thread to bring up a new "prediction" in regards to this subject. There is a certain quarterback that is currently playing in the NFL. I consider myself a fan of this player but not the team in general. This player has been absolutely dominant for years but this year it has been clearly visible that he is having a serious drop off in the capability of his arm. It is not just talk, the guy throws ducks and has relied upon his receivers to make major adjustments to the ball.

I think most, if not all of you, know exactly who I am talking about. With this kind of money being tossed around at coaches, he would definitely be worth it just in name recognition alone.

Here is the prediction. I think he will follow a path similar to what Urban Meyer did. He will take a year to relax and enjoy just sitting in a chair and talking. Hello ESPN.

He is one of the most competitive players in the game though, he wont be able to stay away. He can take that year or so to figure out what kind of offense he would want to run. I wonder, how solid is the Offensive Coordinator position at Tennessee? Being in that position would make him be the heir apparent. He is that big of a deal and Tennessee could really use that kind of a lightning rod there. They need something to light up their brand again. I highly doubt that Manning cant run an offense, he has been running his own play calling on the field for years.

I cant see him wanting to coach at the NFL level for awhile. His competitive nature would make it hard to agree to stand on the sidelines and watch guys that he was just playing against.


So, who do you folks think might look to break into this new paradigm of huge money for coaches in college?

I can't see Peyton coaching in college. He'll likely either be a TV guy, which he is already really good at, or coach in the NFL. The only way I see hm coaching in college is to take the Jim Harbaugh route of coaching college to move up faster to get the pros attention.

See, everyone has this default setting that has been programmed into their heads. Yes, the NFL is the top level but that doesn't always mean a guy wants to coach there. There are other circumstances.

The major opposing circumstance to your theory is that Peyton is PLAYING in the NFL right now. What I am talking about is a quick turn around for him. I agree that he will probably do about a year of face time as a color commentator. I don't think he is going to want to remain idle like that though for too long.

I am thinking about a year, same as Urban. That means he wont be very far removed from his playing days in the NFL. Peyton Manning, a year out of the NFL, standing on the sideline coaching? That is crazy talk. Nah, he will want to spend some time down at the College level in order to perfect himself at coaching as well as to be away from the NFL. He is a perfectionist.

(12-28-2014 09:34 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 05:57 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  This seems like a good thread to bring up a new "prediction" in regards to this subject. There is a certain quarterback that is currently playing in the NFL. I consider myself a fan of this player but not the team in general. This player has been absolutely dominant for years but this year it has been clearly visible that he is having a serious drop off in the capability of his arm. It is not just talk, the guy throws ducks and has relied upon his receivers to make major adjustments to the ball.

I think most, if not all of you, know exactly who I am talking about. With this kind of money being tossed around at coaches, he would definitely be worth it just in name recognition alone.

Here is the prediction. I think he will follow a path similar to what Urban Meyer did. He will take a year to relax and enjoy just sitting in a chair and talking. Hello ESPN.

He is one of the most competitive players in the game though, he wont be able to stay away. He can take that year or so to figure out what kind of offense he would want to run. I wonder, how solid is the Offensive Coordinator position at Tennessee? Being in that position would make him be the heir apparent. He is that big of a deal and Tennessee could really use that kind of a lightning rod there. They need something to light up their brand again. I highly doubt that Manning cant run an offense, he has been running his own play calling on the field for years.

I cant see him wanting to coach at the NFL level for awhile. His competitive nature would make it hard to agree to stand on the sidelines and watch guys that he was just playing against.


So, who do you folks think might look to break into this new paradigm of huge money for coaches in college?

I can't see Peyton coaching in college. He'll likely either be a TV guy, which he is already really good at, or coach in the NFL. The only way I see hm coaching in college is to take the Jim Harbaugh route of coaching college to move up faster to get the pros attention.

See, everyone has this default setting that has been programmed into their heads. Yes, the NFL is the top level but that doesn't always mean a guy wants to coach there. There are other circumstances.

The major opposing circumstance to your theory is that Peyton is PLAYING in the NFL right now. What I am talking about is a quick turn around for him. I agree that he will probably do about a year of face time as a color commentator. I don't think he is going to want to remain idle like that though for too long.

I am thinking about a year, same as Urban. That means he wont be very far removed from his playing days in the NFL. Peyton Manning, a year out of the NFL, standing on the sideline coaching? That is crazy talk. Nah, he will want to spend some time down at the College level in order to perfect himself at coaching as well as to be away from the NFL. He is a perfectionist.

Actually the rumor with Peyton Manning is Partial NFL Ownership/Front Office much like John Elway now has in Denver...the Prime Team is Jimmy Haslem and Cleveland...Haslem is a Big $$$ Person with The Volunteers...

(12-28-2014 09:37 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 09:34 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 05:57 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  This seems like a good thread to bring up a new "prediction" in regards to this subject. There is a certain quarterback that is currently playing in the NFL. I consider myself a fan of this player but not the team in general. This player has been absolutely dominant for years but this year it has been clearly visible that he is having a serious drop off in the capability of his arm. It is not just talk, the guy throws ducks and has relied upon his receivers to make major adjustments to the ball.

I think most, if not all of you, know exactly who I am talking about. With this kind of money being tossed around at coaches, he would definitely be worth it just in name recognition alone.

Here is the prediction. I think he will follow a path similar to what Urban Meyer did. He will take a year to relax and enjoy just sitting in a chair and talking. Hello ESPN.

He is one of the most competitive players in the game though, he wont be able to stay away. He can take that year or so to figure out what kind of offense he would want to run. I wonder, how solid is the Offensive Coordinator position at Tennessee? Being in that position would make him be the heir apparent. He is that big of a deal and Tennessee could really use that kind of a lightning rod there. They need something to light up their brand again. I highly doubt that Manning cant run an offense, he has been running his own play calling on the field for years.

I cant see him wanting to coach at the NFL level for awhile. His competitive nature would make it hard to agree to stand on the sidelines and watch guys that he was just playing against.


So, who do you folks think might look to break into this new paradigm of huge money for coaches in college?

I can't see Peyton coaching in college. He'll likely either be a TV guy, which he is already really good at, or coach in the NFL. The only way I see hm coaching in college is to take the Jim Harbaugh route of coaching college to move up faster to get the pros attention.

See, everyone has this default setting that has been programmed into their heads. Yes, the NFL is the top level but that doesn't always mean a guy wants to coach there. There are other circumstances.

The major opposing circumstance to your theory is that Peyton is PLAYING in the NFL right now. What I am talking about is a quick turn around for him. I agree that he will probably do about a year of face time as a color commentator. I don't think he is going to want to remain idle like that though for too long.

I am thinking about a year, same as Urban. That means he wont be very far removed from his playing days in the NFL. Peyton Manning, a year out of the NFL, standing on the sideline coaching? That is crazy talk. Nah, he will want to spend some time down at the College level in order to perfect himself at coaching as well as to be away from the NFL. He is a perfectionist.

Actually the rumor with Peyton Manning is Partial NFL Ownership/Front Office much like John Elway now has in Denver...the Prime Team is Jimmy Haslem and Cleveland...Haslem is a Big $$$ Person with The Volunteers...

A strong possibility if it is true. The thing is though, does Manning want to be away from the sideline? How much of a control freak was Elway?

(12-28-2014 01:34 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Maybe the universities should just sell their football programs, sorta like what states do with toll road $.

They already have an effective way to raise money for football - donations from boosters.

Some toll roads generate more revenue than other toll roads, and some football programs raise more money from boosters than other programs.

My wife made an interesting observation during the Va Tech game when Beamer's son was on the sideline. She said, "My God, they are trying to do to college football what they have done to politics, turn it into a multi million dollar legacy." When I considered the Bowden boys, Skip Holtz, and now Clint Trickett, and others it seems as though she may have a point. Coaches names become part of a trademark. For all we know if Paterno hadn't been dragged down by Sandusky his boy might have been the next to fill Joe's shoes. Now that former coaches know too much about the program's sins, perhaps hiring sons will become a theme. And when I was thinking about the title of this thread it made sense that the more money is involved the more the desire to create a dynasty for legacy purposes there will be.

Just in case this theory has legs I think all schools should have an anti legacy clause in their contracts and a no hire policy for family members. If a coach has a son who wants into the business let him train under someone else. Just a thought.

(12-28-2014 12:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  This seems like a good thread to bring up a new "prediction" in regards to this subject. There is a certain quarterback that is currently playing in the NFL. I consider myself a fan of this player but not the team in general. This player has been absolutely dominant for years but this year it has been clearly visible that he is having a serious drop off in the capability of his arm. It is not just talk, the guy throws ducks and has relied upon his receivers to make major adjustments to the ball.

I think most, if not all of you, know exactly who I am talking about. With this kind of money being tossed around at coaches, he would definitely be worth it just in name recognition alone.

Here is the prediction. I think he will follow a path similar to what Urban Meyer did. He will take a year to relax and enjoy just sitting in a chair and talking. Hello ESPN.

He is one of the most competitive players in the game though, he wont be able to stay away. He can take that year or so to figure out what kind of offense he would want to run. I wonder, how solid is the Offensive Coordinator position at Tennessee? Being in that position would make him be the heir apparent. He is that big of a deal and Tennessee could really use that kind of a lightning rod there. They need something to light up their brand again. I highly doubt that Manning cant run an offense, he has been running his own play calling on the field for years.

I cant see him wanting to coach at the NFL level for awhile. His competitive nature would make it hard to agree to stand on the sidelines and watch guys that he was just playing against.


So, who do you folks think might look to break into this new paradigm of huge money for coaches in college?

While the theory is all well and good, I tend to lean toward Peyton being so gifted at his craft that he lacks the ability to 'coach 'em up'. Helping develop QB's at a passing academy is one thing but I think Manning could end up like Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson if he were made OC or HC. He's so talented that what he sees and does is simply instinctual.

(12-29-2014 03:24 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-28-2014 12:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  This seems like a good thread to bring up a new "prediction" in regards to this subject. There is a certain quarterback that is currently playing in the NFL. I consider myself a fan of this player but not the team in general. This player has been absolutely dominant for years but this year it has been clearly visible that he is having a serious drop off in the capability of his arm. It is not just talk, the guy throws ducks and has relied upon his receivers to make major adjustments to the ball.

I think most, if not all of you, know exactly who I am talking about. With this kind of money being tossed around at coaches, he would definitely be worth it just in name recognition alone.

Here is the prediction. I think he will follow a path similar to what Urban Meyer did. He will take a year to relax and enjoy just sitting in a chair and talking. Hello ESPN.

He is one of the most competitive players in the game though, he wont be able to stay away. He can take that year or so to figure out what kind of offense he would want to run. I wonder, how solid is the Offensive Coordinator position at Tennessee? Being in that position would make him be the heir apparent. He is that big of a deal and Tennessee could really use that kind of a lightning rod there. They need something to light up their brand again. I highly doubt that Manning cant run an offense, he has been running his own play calling on the field for years.

I cant see him wanting to coach at the NFL level for awhile. His competitive nature would make it hard to agree to stand on the sidelines and watch guys that he was just playing against.


So, who do you folks think might look to break into this new paradigm of huge money for coaches in college?

While the theory is all well and good, I tend to lean toward Peyton being so gifted at his craft that he lacks the ability to 'coach 'em up'. Helping develop QB's at a passing academy is one thing but I think Manning could end up like Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson if he were made OC or HC. He's so talented that what he sees and does is simply instinctual.

That is always a possibility but Peyton has always been a leader of men above and beyond his peers.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdo...27900.html

Quote:"He’s the best to ever play the game," Thomas said of Manning. "He made me a better player."

That quote is from Demaryus Thomas. Making players into better players is what Coaches do.

Quote:Emmanuel Sanders says he is better off for playing with Manning too. He caught some heat earlier this year for saying Manning was a better leader than Ben Roethlisberger, his old quarterback in Pittsburgh, but that was blown out of proportion. He has since clarified that he meant no disrespect toward Roethlisberger, but he thinks nobody beats Manning when it comes to leadership. Listen to Sanders talk about his mindset since joining the Broncos this year, and it's clear Manning has meant a lot to his career too.

"You don't want to mess up," Sanders said. "So every night I go home and I study my butt off, just so I don't disappoint '18.' Everyone knows that he doesn't have too many more years left in his career, and he wants to go out a Super Bowl champion again, and I don't want to be the one holding this group back."

Quote:"There is no doubt we feel blessed – the Broncos organization, myself personally, I think our coaching staff – he's a tremendous player," Fox said. "I've competed against him for a lot of years, and it's way better having him on our side."

In the end, you just want him on your side. We are seeing a lot of variations in coaching positions these days. How about Co-Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks Coach to start him off at Tennessee? Groom him to take over Coordinating and then to be Head Coach.

The guy has all the traits and abilities to be a great coach. Grab him early and keep him in house.

I think Peyton Manning has the requirements to be a college coach.
1. Recruiting--I have to think Super Bowl MVP trophies mean a little something.
2. Play calling--Yes.
3. Player Development--quarterback camps say yes.
4. Leadership, motivating others--yes.

Would he be able to judge talent? Judge defensive coaches? Judge offensive coaches, for that matter? Unknown.

(12-29-2014 08:52 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  I think Peyton Manning has the requirements to be a college coach.
1. Recruiting--I have to think Super Bowl MVP trophies mean a little something.
2. Play calling--Yes.
3. Player Development--quarterback camps say yes.
4. Leadership, motivating others--yes.

Would he be able to judge talent? Judge defensive coaches? Judge offensive coaches, for that matter? Unknown.

Absolutely correct. That is why you cant start him out as a Head Coach. Most guys have to work their way up through the smaller colleges. If you are Tennessee though, I think you want to sink your talons into this guy early and don't let go. He has a magnetic personality. He will win over the existing Head Coach and Offensive Coordinator despite them knowing that eventually he is going to take over their jobs.

As John Fox says, in the end, you just want him on your side.

By the way, I think the Quarterback Camps have trained him to have a good eye for young talent. So yes, I think he would be one of the best recruiters in the game. He would NEVER not have a top notch quarterback running his team. That right there is a recipe for success. You build a recruiting strategy around that. Tennessee would probably get it's signings before anyone else. Who wouldn't want to go play for Payton Manning if he showed up at your house? I am being serious.

(12-29-2014 08:57 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 08:52 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  I think Peyton Manning has the requirements to be a college coach.
1. Recruiting--I have to think Super Bowl MVP trophies mean a little something.
2. Play calling--Yes.
3. Player Development--quarterback camps say yes.
4. Leadership, motivating others--yes.

Would he be able to judge talent? Judge defensive coaches? Judge offensive coaches, for that matter? Unknown.

Absolutely correct. That is why you cant start him out as a Head Coach.

Who says you can't? I'd bet that there is a P5 school out there that disagrees. Maybe Peyton Manning (and Mrs MAnning) decide that Vanderbilt or Kansas or UVA or Colorado or Indiana or Maryland or Cal isn't the right spot for Peyton Manning. But if #18 is interested in college coaching in 2-3 years, I'd be surprised if someone doesn't offer him their open head coaching job.

(12-29-2014 08:52 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  I think Peyton Manning has the requirements to be a college coach.
1. Recruiting--I have to think Super Bowl MVP trophies mean a little something.
2. Play calling--Yes.
3. Player Development--quarterback camps say yes.
4. Leadership, motivating others--yes.

Would he be able to judge talent? Judge defensive coaches? Judge offensive coaches, for that matter? Unknown.

I think Peyton will be headed straight to the booth like Aikmen. I would say Eli would be the coach since he does not have the personality of Peyton. If either wanted to coach, my bet they first become QB coach under Cutcliffe if he is still coaching. Would be perfect mentor for them to coach in college to help them with intrinsics of being a HC.

Peyton strikes me as a guy that wants his elite legacy to stay in place and wouldn't want to risk it by coaching. I've seen a lot of former superstars/stars horribly tarnish their image/ legacy by coaching/GM etc. and it not work out.

I've never really seen an announcer get too many bad marks against their image / legacy even if they weren't good, so that's the path I think Peyton goes. He may advise/train QB's and OC's like announcer Chris Carter does for WR's.

(12-29-2014 09:17 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 08:57 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 08:52 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  I think Peyton Manning has the requirements to be a college coach.
1. Recruiting--I have to think Super Bowl MVP trophies mean a little something.
2. Play calling--Yes.
3. Player Development--quarterback camps say yes.
4. Leadership, motivating others--yes.

Would he be able to judge talent? Judge defensive coaches? Judge offensive coaches, for that matter? Unknown.

Absolutely correct. That is why you cant start him out as a Head Coach.

Who says you can't? I'd bet that there is a P5 school out there that disagrees. Maybe Peyton Manning (and Mrs MAnning) decide that Vanderbilt or Kansas or UVA or Colorado or Indiana or Maryland or Cal isn't the right spot for Peyton Manning. But if #18 is interested in college coaching in 2-3 years, I'd be surprised if someone doesn't offer him their open head coaching job.

I think you misunderstand me. I didn't bother with putting numbers down as far as how long the process would take at Tennessee. But if you want to talk about 2-3 years, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he could work up the ranks at Tennessee in that amount of time.

First year will be mainly Quarterbacks Coaching as well as learning the in's and out's of what the Offensive Coordinator does. You could see him making the calls in the second year. If you keep the 1 year trend going then head coach during the third year? Maybe after the third year. Who knows, but Peyton goes to the Tennessee games now. If Tennessee goes all in for him, I highly doubt he would go anywhere else.

(12-29-2014 09:48 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(12-29-2014 08:52 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  I think Peyton Manning has the requirements to be a college coach.
1. Recruiting--I have to think Super Bowl MVP trophies mean a little something.
2. Play calling--Yes.
3. Player Development--quarterback camps say yes.
4. Leadership, motivating others--yes.

Would he be able to judge talent? Judge defensive coaches? Judge offensive coaches, for that matter? Unknown.

I think Peyton will be headed straight to the booth like Aikmen. I would say Eli would be the coach since he does not have the personality of Peyton. If either wanted to coach, my bet they first become QB coach under Cutcliffe if he is still coaching. Would be perfect mentor for them to coach in college to help them with intrinsics of being a HC.

Yes, he will most likely take a year off and grab the easy cash with one of the Networks. They will all be aggressively competing with each other for him. I don't think he will enjoy sitting back watching others play and only being able to talk about it. At least with coaching he has some direct affect on the guys playing.

I am not sure why you say Cutcliffe, that seems like an extremely random choice. Is there some connection there? Cutcliffe has done a wonderful job at Duke but I think you are going a little overboard with predicting that he could draw Peyton.