Ok here are the rules

Conference gains an all sports member from another P5 = +2pts. Gains a member from non P5 = +1pts. Gains non-football member = +0.5

conference loses all sports member to P5 = -4pts. Loses all sports to non P5 = -2
loses non-football member = -1

Conference loses a CCG = -1pts
Conference gains a CCG = +1pts

1. BigTen = +6
2. PAC = +4
3. SEC = +4
4. ACC = -0.5
5. MAC = -1.5
6. SBC = -2.5
7. CUSA = -5
8. MWC = -7
9. Big 12 = -15
10. WAC = -18
11. AAC = -22

EDIT: Based on some good feedback in this thread, I am poropsing to tweak my formula a little. The new results are posted on page 7.

(12-25-2014 03:48 PM)goofus Wrote:  Ok here are the rules

Conference gains an all sports member from another P5 = +2pts. Gains a member from non P5 = +1pts. Gains non-football member = +0.5

conference loses all sports member to P5 = -4pts. Loses all sports to non P5 = -2
loses non-football member = -1

Conference loses a CCG = -1pts
Conference gains a CCG = +1pts

1. BigTen = +6
2. PAC = +4
3. SEC = +4
4. ACC = -0.5
5. MAC = -1.5
6. SBC = -2.5
7. CUSA = -5
8. MWC = -7
9. Big 12 = -15
10. WAC = -18
11. AAC = -22

Well when you deduct 5 for adding a bottom feeder from another league, that knocks the Big 10 down to -4, the ACC to -5.5 and the Pac 12 to -1. You should also lose 5 points for breaking up long time rivalries in order to play Missouri. So the SEC is -1.

None of the conferences are winners (except financially). They are all losers.

(12-25-2014 03:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 03:48 PM)goofus Wrote:  Ok here are the rules

Conference gains an all sports member from another P5 = +2pts. Gains a member from non P5 = +1pts. Gains non-football member = +0.5

conference loses all sports member to P5 = -4pts. Loses all sports to non P5 = -2
loses non-football member = -1

Conference loses a CCG = -1pts
Conference gains a CCG = +1pts

1. BigTen = +6
2. PAC = +4
3. SEC = +4
4. ACC = -0.5
5. MAC = -1.5
6. SBC = -2.5
7. CUSA = -5
8. MWC = -7
9. Big 12 = -15
10. WAC = -18
11. AAC = -22

Well when you deduct 5 for adding a bottom feeder from another league, that knocks the Big 10 down to -4, the ACC to -5.5 and the Pac 12 to -1. You should also lose 5 points for breaking up long time rivalries in order to play Missouri. So the SEC is -1.

None of the conferences are winners (except financially). They are all losers.

Basically fans are loosers (with the exception of a few programs who are big winners like Rutgers, Louisville, and TCU), while those cashing checks are happy.

(12-25-2014 04:01 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 03:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 03:48 PM)goofus Wrote:  Ok here are the rules

Conference gains an all sports member from another P5 = +2pts. Gains a member from non P5 = +1pts. Gains non-football member = +0.5

conference loses all sports member to P5 = -4pts. Loses all sports to non P5 = -2
loses non-football member = -1

Conference loses a CCG = -1pts
Conference gains a CCG = +1pts

1. BigTen = +6
2. PAC = +4
3. SEC = +4
4. ACC = -0.5
5. MAC = -1.5
6. SBC = -2.5
7. CUSA = -5
8. MWC = -7
9. Big 12 = -15
10. WAC = -18
11. AAC = -22

Well when you deduct 5 for adding a bottom feeder from another league, that knocks the Big 10 down to -4, the ACC to -5.5 and the Pac 12 to -1. You should also lose 5 points for breaking up long time rivalries in order to play Missouri. So the SEC is -1.

None of the conferences are winners (except financially). They are all losers.

Basically fans are loosers (with the exception of a few programs who are big winners like Rutgers, Louisville, and TCU), while those cashing checks are happy.

I would count WVU and Utah as winners as well...in the end everyone in a P5 league is a winner with the amount of $$$ generated...the only ones that "lost" are UConn, Cincinnati and USF..

The Big XII did okay too. WVU has won more BCS bowl games than Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, and Mizzou combined. TCU can match those schools total too.

(12-25-2014 03:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 03:48 PM)goofus Wrote:  Ok here are the rules

Conference gains an all sports member from another P5 = +2pts. Gains a member from non P5 = +1pts. Gains non-football member = +0.5

conference loses all sports member to P5 = -4pts. Loses all sports to non P5 = -2
loses non-football member = -1

Conference loses a CCG = -1pts
Conference gains a CCG = +1pts

1. BigTen = +6
2. PAC = +4
3. SEC = +4
4. ACC = -0.5
5. MAC = -1.5
6. SBC = -2.5
7. CUSA = -5
8. MWC = -7
9. Big 12 = -15
10. WAC = -18
11. AAC = -22

Well when you deduct 5 for adding a bottom feeder from another league, that knocks the Big 10 down to -4, the ACC to -5.5 and the Pac 12 to -1. You should also lose 5 points for breaking up long time rivalries in order to play Missouri. So the SEC is -1.

None of the conferences are winners (except financially). They are all losers.

FWIW, I assume you mean Syracuse, who was a reigning BIG EAST champion in football when SU left (and left with an all time BIG EAST winning record). Otherwise, you must have meant Pitt, who last missed a Bowl in '07, ND who is #2 in the all time win list (and not a football member), or UL, who won a share of 2 conference titles in their last 3 years in the BIG EAST/American.

Either way, I think you're being dramatic.

the Big West gained Hawaii and lost Pacific. That is not an even swap, that is coming out ahead.

and what about the WCC? Gained Pacific and BYU, lost nobody. They have to be amongst the biggest winners

(12-25-2014 04:13 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The Big XII did okay too. WVU has won more BCS bowl games than Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M, and Mizzou combined. TCU can match those schools total too.

I'll enjoy it in a few more years when you're defending the Internet honor of the SEC just as virulently after WVU takes its rightful place and joins us post Big 12 dissolution. And bullet will be shilling for the PAC and telling us daily how no other conference can ever touch it's greatness.

Should be fun

Without using a formula, This is how I'd rank how bad each conference was hurt by the last shake up...

It is not how I would rank the strength of each conference compared to the others. So, don't think I'm claiming the MWC is better than the BIG 12, or claiming the MAC and C-USA are better than the AAC.

1. SEC- ESPN's Golden Boy
2. PAC- Rulers of the west
3. ACC- Punked the Big East
4. BIG10- has more pull than the Big 12
5. MWC- now the only G5 in the west
6. Big 12- the big P5 loser. SEC, PAC, and BIG10 all snatched parts of the Big 12. Plus, no championship game= no playoff spot
7. MAC- Stability, but still too regional to grow their brand.
8. C-USA- Raided by the AAC, and lost good bowls, but has improved their television coverage.
9. AAC- added some C-USA teams, but lost the big money, lost the big time status, and lost the Big East name
10. Sun Belt- Raided by C-USA. Unable to add from other FBS conferences, they had to dip into the FCS for all of their new teams.
11. WAC- football death.... R.I.P.

The Big East was perceived to be #6 in FB. Now the AAC is perceived to be #6 in FB.

I don't see a huge difference.

(12-25-2014 04:23 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 03:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 03:48 PM)goofus Wrote:  Ok here are the rules

Conference gains an all sports member from another P5 = +2pts. Gains a member from non P5 = +1pts. Gains non-football member = +0.5

conference loses all sports member to P5 = -4pts. Loses all sports to non P5 = -2
loses non-football member = -1

Conference loses a CCG = -1pts
Conference gains a CCG = +1pts

1. BigTen = +6
2. PAC = +4
3. SEC = +4
4. ACC = -0.5
5. MAC = -1.5
6. SBC = -2.5
7. CUSA = -5
8. MWC = -7
9. Big 12 = -15
10. WAC = -18
11. AAC = -22

Well when you deduct 5 for adding a bottom feeder from another league, that knocks the Big 10 down to -4, the ACC to -5.5 and the Pac 12 to -1. You should also lose 5 points for breaking up long time rivalries in order to play Missouri. So the SEC is -1.

None of the conferences are winners (except financially). They are all losers.

FWIW, I assume you mean Syracuse, who was a reigning BIG EAST champion in football when SU left (and left with an all time BIG EAST winning record). Otherwise, you must have meant Pitt, who last missed a Bowl in '07, ND who is #2 in the all time win list (and not a football member), or UL, who won a share of 2 conference titles in their last 3 years in the BIG EAST/American.

Either way, I think your being dramatic.

He is being extremely dramatic.

(12-25-2014 05:31 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Big East was perceived to be #6 in FB. Now the AAC is perceived to be #6 in FB.

I don't see a huge difference.

The difference is the Big East was a power conference. The new AAC is not. The AAC lost the BCS auto-bid that the Big East had. That was a big loss.

The WAC getting whacked out of the FBS was the biggest loss.

10. Sun Belt- Raided by C-USA. Unable to add from other FBS conferences, they had to dip into the FCS for all of their new teams.

Got better than they gave..

(12-25-2014 05:31 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The Big East was perceived to be #6 in FB. Now the AAC is perceived to be #6 in FB.

I don't see a huge difference.

I have a feeling you are joking, but I will play along anyway. Here are a few differences.

Big East conference champion got an automatic spot in a BCS bowl. The AAC champion now has a 1 in 5 chance at a CFP access bowl spot.

the Big east was considered a power conference in football. The AAC is considered a mid-major G5 conference.

The big east was considered the top basketball conference, usually with 8 teams in the tourney. The aac is probably considered the 8th best BB conference. With 4 teams in the tourney.

And of course it the AAC is a new name since the C7 took the Big East name with them.

I wont even get into what they lost with their potential tv contacts.

(12-25-2014 04:23 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 03:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 03:48 PM)goofus Wrote:  Ok here are the rules

Conference gains an all sports member from another P5 = +2pts. Gains a member from non P5 = +1pts. Gains non-football member = +0.5

conference loses all sports member to P5 = -4pts. Loses all sports to non P5 = -2
loses non-football member = -1

Conference loses a CCG = -1pts
Conference gains a CCG = +1pts

1. BigTen = +6
2. PAC = +4
3. SEC = +4
4. ACC = -0.5
5. MAC = -1.5
6. SBC = -2.5
7. CUSA = -5
8. MWC = -7
9. Big 12 = -15
10. WAC = -18
11. AAC = -22

Well when you deduct 5 for adding a bottom feeder from another league, that knocks the Big 10 down to -4, the ACC to -5.5 and the Pac 12 to -1. You should also lose 5 points for breaking up long time rivalries in order to play Missouri. So the SEC is -1.

None of the conferences are winners (except financially). They are all losers.

FWIW, I assume you mean Syracuse, who was a reigning BIG EAST champion in football when SU left (and left with an all time BIG EAST winning record). Otherwise, you must have meant Pitt, who last missed a Bowl in '07, ND who is #2 in the all time win list (and not a football member), or UL, who won a share of 2 conference titles in their last 3 years in the BIG EAST/American.

Either way, I think your being dramatic.

SU was a bottom feeder at the time, regardless of how good they were in the 90s.

(12-25-2014 07:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 04:23 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 03:58 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 03:48 PM)goofus Wrote:  Ok here are the rules

Conference gains an all sports member from another P5 = +2pts. Gains a member from non P5 = +1pts. Gains non-football member = +0.5

conference loses all sports member to P5 = -4pts. Loses all sports to non P5 = -2
loses non-football member = -1

Conference loses a CCG = -1pts
Conference gains a CCG = +1pts

1. BigTen = +6
2. PAC = +4
3. SEC = +4
4. ACC = -0.5
5. MAC = -1.5
6. SBC = -2.5
7. CUSA = -5
8. MWC = -7
9. Big 12 = -15
10. WAC = -18
11. AAC = -22

Well when you deduct 5 for adding a bottom feeder from another league, that knocks the Big 10 down to -4, the ACC to -5.5 and the Pac 12 to -1. You should also lose 5 points for breaking up long time rivalries in order to play Missouri. So the SEC is -1.

None of the conferences are winners (except financially). They are all losers.

FWIW, I assume you mean Syracuse, who was a reigning BIG EAST champion in football when SU left (and left with an all time BIG EAST winning record). Otherwise, you must have meant Pitt, who last missed a Bowl in '07, ND who is #2 in the all time win list (and not a football member), or UL, who won a share of 2 conference titles in their last 3 years in the BIG EAST/American.

Either way, I think your being dramatic.

SU was a bottom feeder at the time, regardless of how good they were in the 90s.

Well actually their last year in the BIG EAST they were Co-Champions in Football with a 5-2 Conference Record/8-5 Overall Record with a Pinstripe Bowl win over WVU under Doug Marrone...

Winners: Utah, TCU, West Virginia, Louisville and Rutgers.
Out of Those 5 schools 2 won the lottery and 3 earned what they got. Rutgers and Louisville won the lottery. Utah long deserved an upgrade. TCU was a power school forever and had a brief demotion to the the non-power leagues but are now back where they belong with the big boys. West Virginia was always a power league like school with great attendance, solid performances year after year and a good bowl traveling fan base. They just moved leagues.
As far as conferences, the Mountain West was a power conference league in performance, but they were never allowed in the country club. They are the biggest loser by far in all this realignment. The big east was never a power league in football but they were invited to the country club in 1991 when Miami decided to legitimize them as a football league when they first sponsored the sport. The big east was just an east coast basketball league until 1991. (A spectacular basketball league) just MHO

(12-25-2014 08:47 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Winners: Utah, TCU, West Virginia, Louisville and Rutgers.
Out of Those 5 schools 2 won the lottery and 3 earned what they got. Rutgers and Louisville won the lottery. Utah long deserved an upgrade. TCU was a power school forever and had a brief demotion to the the non-power leagues but are now back where they belong with the big boys. West Virginia was always a power league like school with great attendance, solid performances year after year and a good bowl traveling fan base. They just moved leagues.
As far as conferences, the Mountain West was a power conference league in performance, but they were never allowed in the country club. They are the biggest loser by far in all this realignment. The big east was never a power league in football but they were invited to the country club in 1991 when Miami decided to legitimize them as a football league when they first sponsored the sport. The big east was just an east coast basketball league until 1991. (A spectacular basketball league) just MHO

Excuse me...Rutgers was a Founding Member of the Old BIG EAST Football League with Miami, WVU, Virginia Tech so they are very much like TCU and WVU in regards they always been a member of a Power League...also how did Louisville win the Lottery....before moving to the ACC from the BIG EAST let's see...2 BCS Bowl wins...2 College World Series...2 NCAA Women's Basketball Runner ups...2 NCAA Men's Basketball Final Fours and a National Title...not counting a New Years Day Fiesta Bowl win after it was established as a Major Bowl...Hard Work...

(12-25-2014 09:09 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 08:47 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Winners: Utah, TCU, West Virginia, Louisville and Rutgers.
Out of Those 5 schools 2 won the lottery and 3 earned what they got. Rutgers and Louisville won the lottery. Utah long deserved an upgrade. TCU was a power school forever and had a brief demotion to the the non-power leagues but are now back where they belong with the big boys. West Virginia was always a power league like school with great attendance, solid performances year after year and a good bowl traveling fan base. They just moved leagues.
As far as conferences, the Mountain West was a power conference league in performance, but they were never allowed in the country club. They are the biggest loser by far in all this realignment. The big east was never a power league in football but they were invited to the country club in 1991 when Miami decided to legitimize them as a football league when they first sponsored the sport. The big east was just an east coast basketball league until 1991. (A spectacular basketball league) just MHO

Excuse me...Rutgers was a Founding Member of the Old BIG EAST Football League with Miami, WVU, Virginia Tech so they are very much like TCU and WVU in regards they always been a member of a Power League...also how did Louisville win the Lottery....before moving to the ACC from the BIG EAST let's see...2 BCS Bowl wins...2 College World Series...2 NCAA Women's Basketball Runner ups...2 NCAA Men's Basketball Final Fours and a National Title...not counting a New Years Day Fiesta Bowl win after it was established as a Major Bowl...Hard Work...

If you want to play that game....Boise is playing in their 3rd BCS game...Wyoming won NCAA titles in basketball, Fresno and Rice won college World Series in the past decade....I can go all day long. Louisville is a good program with some great success but others schools with good resumes didn't win the lottery like they did.Rutgers...I won't even touch that. Rutgers founded a horrible football conference in 91. So what? Least deserving school ATHLETICALLY......