(12-26-2014 03:19 PM)Huskie George Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 02:33 PM)7 Wrote:  They lost to a 13 win Marshall team who was a possesion away from going undefeated and an SEC West team. Newsflash, those teams had more talent than NIU did. A lot more talent.

And yes, if you're complaining about Carey at this point you're a moron. Always blaming coaching when NIU loses, makes you a moron.

If you want to complain about coaching, complain about whatever the hell that CMU game was where the couldn't stop a stretch play. Not two games where NIU got its doors blown off by teams better than them.

7, I'm so happy this board contains a contributor with the highest level of intelligence. Your attitude toward a different opinion is interesting. Attendance down, blame the fans. Did you notice how much money the White Sox spent recently? Why? The fan base reacted to a team that they perceived could not win a World Series by not buying tickets. The Sox recognized the problem. You on the other hand refuse to take a logical approach To NIU actually competing with "better" teams. We won 11 games by beating Presbyterian, UNLV, Northwestern (remember 5 win team) and mostly bad MAC (many ranked below 90) teams. We then lost to a very average CMU team. When we played good teams (not great Arkansas 6-6 & Marshall played a very weak, MAC heavy schedule) we got hammered because this deer-in-the-headlight coach when he starts to loose to these teams panics. See kick-offs giving a good, fast team, that thrives on good field position, the ball on the 45 yard line. Desmond Howard called the First Cato touchdown run before the play. Carey wouldn't know a tendency if it bit him. We are not competing with the teams at the level we emulate. Say what you want about past teams and coaches, but this 0-3 bowl games team is not better than the one 4 years ago. Don't say quarterback, Lynch teams lost 2 of the bowls and a game to Iowa. Carey will not move us up the ladder. Good luck with this coach when OOC schedule gets tougher.

The coaches are not all to blame on this one. The players also need to execute the game plan and absorb what the coaches are telling them. We had our chances in the endzone, and we had Brown open on multiple deep routes and couldn't get it to him, we were in the redzone and Hare bobbled the ball, we were in the redzone and we spiked the ball instead of punching it in when we were moving at will and were at the line with 30+ seconds left, we tried to run the ball for 1 yard for all 4 downs on 2 occasions and failed. Those plays were on the players executing... The coaching staff can only put the players in a position to succeed, then its on them to get it done. The reason? We are a young team playing against a veteran team with more talent.

However, I do agree with you it was stupid to give them great field position on each of the kick offs following the kick off return for the TD. Cant do that vs that type of offense.

(12-26-2014 03:25 PM)7 Wrote:  The White Sox were ******* terrible last year. Are you really this stupid?

As for your Desmond Howard point, I guess you either ignored or didn't hear when Rob Stone reported that Kane was telling the D on the sidelines after the TD that "we practiced all week that the QB runs the ball in the redzone." So yes, the coaching staff knew, but the players have to go out and make the play. What else ya got?

Is that all "ya got" after reading the entire post? The reason the White Sox spent the money was to appease their fan base, to get better, to try and get to the World Series. Keeping Carey after loosing big games will not make us better. And yes, FSU and Marshall wins versus NIU are deflated wins, its why neither team wanted to play us in the first place.

(12-26-2014 03:43 PM)Huskie George Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 03:25 PM)7 Wrote:  The White Sox were ******* terrible last year. Are you really this stupid?

As for your Desmond Howard point, I guess you either ignored or didn't hear when Rob Stone reported that Kane was telling the D on the sidelines after the TD that "we practiced all week that the QB runs the ball in the redzone." So yes, the coaching staff knew, but the players have to go out and make the play. What else ya got?

Is that all "ya got" after reading the entire post? The reason the White Sox spent the money was to appease their fan base, to get better, to try and get to the World Series. Keeping Carey after loosing big games will not make us better. And yes, FSU and Marshall wins versus NIU are deflated wins, its why neither team wanted to play us in the first place.

This conversation is done since you said Howard picked up something Carey would never, only to proven that Carey had indeed picked up on it.

Have a good day.

Saw Bob Cole in the concourse after the game. He said "bad end to a great season". I couldn't agree more. Proud of everyone involved with Huskie Football! I look forward to next season being just as successful. MAC Champs and a bowl game in South Florida? Yes please!

(12-24-2014 05:46 PM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 01:48 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  Congratulations, you have replaced MD as officially the dumbest poster on this board.

Don't be afraid of an opinion that differs from your own, Barsema. It is easy to toss insults, more difficult to refute what you feel is flawed logic with your own rebuttal.

I would be curious as to why I should be encouraged about the future with a coach who can't beat a good team or win a bowl game. I am curious why I should be encouraged about a coach that has no experience at the major college level. I am always open to an interesting discussion if you could muster something more than a schoolboy taunt.

You're picking and choosing stats to fit your agenda and not providing a fair argument. It happens when you hate a guy.

Carey is not perfect. DUH. DOUBLE DUH. He hasn't won every game. But acting like he's an idiot choker is a really bad argument when you consider his entire tenure, not a few selected stats.

(12-26-2014 02:48 PM)Djud Wrote:  WTF is an inflated win? If there is such a thing, I would assume there must be a deflated loss. Thus, FSU, Arkansas and Marshall must all qualify.

There are only wins and losses....people put "inflated" or "deflated" in front of them to try and make an argument when there really isn't one.

(12-26-2014 02:29 PM)Huskie George Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 02:02 PM)7 Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 02:00 PM)Huskie George Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 01:11 PM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  So here we go again. Another season finishes in an embarrassing fashion and NIU is the laughingstock of the nation. Three consecutive years.

It's so frustrating because the Huskies are on the cusp of being a great football program but they just can't get over the edge. All this Big 12 talk is amusing because the national perception of this team is quite different from the local one. Most NIU fans are proud of the conference record under Coach Carey, and it has been terrific, yet everyone else scoffs at NIU because they can't beat anyone outside of their own conference.

But wait, some will scream, NIU is 3-0 against the Big Ten! That's very nice, and might even be something to hang your hat on if the combined records of those teams wasn't 11-25.

The unfortunate truth is Coach Carey and his staff have yet to beat a real team. Arkansas, Utah State, Florida State, Marshall. Four good teams, four opportunities to showcase the program on a national stage, four losses, two blowouts. Not good.

The predecessors to Coach Carey established a talent pipe line that has kept the program above water against the dregs of the MAC. Coach Carey has taken the superior talent given to him and beaten inferior opponents. His limited capacity, however, is on display when matched up against an opponent with equal, or perhaps better, talent.

The same trends continue to rear themselves. Questionable game management, problems in the red zone, inability to make adjustments, lack of preparedness - he's just not ready for this.

As his paper thin resume would suggest, it is not his fault. He very well may be a great coach at some point, but he needs seasoning. He needs to work with some good football people. Wisconsin-Stout and North Dakota just doesn't cut it. He has no experience with a power five conference or the NFL other then one year as a graduate assistant at Minnesota.

There have been some great mid-majors in the past decade that have seen extended success and upgraded their status. Central Florida, TCU, and Boise State come to mind. NIU would like to be thought of in such a manner, yet sadly, they are perceived nationally more like Arkansas State. They're a team in a bad conference that is only good within that conference.

If that is good enough for you as a fan of the Huskies, then god bless you. For some of us, however, it is not. Our aspirations for the program stretch further then beating Toledo and competing in a MACC. Thankfully, I have faith Sean Frazier is one of those.

Is a 6-6 Huskie team on the horizon for 2015? It seems unthinkable, right? At some point, though, all these narrow MAC victories are going to turn the other way, and we are seeing improvement from other MAC teams. Does the program have to turn back to mediocrity before Frazier pulls the plug on Coach Carey and brings in a coach with experience and vision?

I hope I am dead wrong. I hope NIU flourishes under Coach Carey and he gets his big, deserved payday and takes over the reigns of some team in the SEC.

I just don't think I'm wrong.

Everything you say here is correct. Our record this year was inflated. The MACC game was not a "big" game because Bowling Green is not a good team. Again, Carey did not win an important game. Northwestern? Some say Carey did not miss the field goals vs Utah State, but he also did not fix the kicking problem coming into the season. He did manage to scream at that same kicker after a bad kick. I wonder if the person that is predicting a sellout vs UNLV saw all of the empty seats at this year's bowl after so much talk of a sellout and only 10 seats left on Stubhub? The program is going backwards when your games only draw an average of 13,000.

Which is Carey's fault, how? Blame the ****** fans, not the coach. And to say Carey hasn't won an important game when he's 3-0 against the Big Ten, 2-0 against Toledo, and has won the MAC is just a dumb*** comment. Stop moving the goal posts to fit your anti-Carey agenda. It makes you look like a moron.

So having an "anti Carey" agenda makes you a moron? Wow, lets see we beat a horrible Purdue team and a Northwestern team that won 5 games. Wow, we won the MAC and got hammered by Marshall. How many bowl games did the MAC win last year? How well did Bowling Green play against Wisconsin this year? Did you watch the Central Michigan game? Eastern Michigan? You say blame the fans? The fan base is eroding because they understand the wins are inflated and that this 11 win team will get killed when they do play a good team...See Arkansas and Marshall. Carey does have the background to coach at this level. Please remind us again that we beat Toledo. A team this year that gave up 49 points to Missouri and 58 to Cincinnati. A team that we beat by 3 @ home. Is everyone you disagree with a moron?

Having an agenda mean you won't make a fair argument, so what's the point of listening?

(12-26-2014 03:53 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 02:48 PM)Djud Wrote:  WTF is an inflated win? If there is such a thing, I would assume there must be a deflated loss. Thus, FSU, Arkansas and Marshall must all qualify.

There are only wins and losses....people put "inflated" or "deflated" in front of them to try and make an argument when there really isn't one.

It's why it takes Wisconsin so long to move up in the rankings. They play 3 OOC games, at home, against clearly inferior teams and then run up the score. Inflated wins.

(12-26-2014 03:59 PM)Huskie George Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 03:53 PM)The Frisky Biscuit Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 02:48 PM)Djud Wrote:  WTF is an inflated win? If there is such a thing, I would assume there must be a deflated loss. Thus, FSU, Arkansas and Marshall must all qualify.

There are only wins and losses....people put "inflated" or "deflated" in front of them to try and make an argument when there really isn't one.

It's why it takes Wisconsin so long to move up in the rankings. They play 3 OOC games, at home, against clearly inferior teams and then run up the score. Inflated wins.

....that shows the wins are not inflated, otherwise Wisconsin would have a higher ranking due to them.

(12-26-2014 03:45 PM)7 Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 03:43 PM)Huskie George Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 03:25 PM)7 Wrote:  The White Sox were ******* terrible last year. Are you really this stupid?

As for your Desmond Howard point, I guess you either ignored or didn't hear when Rob Stone reported that Kane was telling the D on the sidelines after the TD that "we practiced all week that the QB runs the ball in the redzone." So yes, the coaching staff knew, but the players have to go out and make the play. What else ya got?

Is that all "ya got" after reading the entire post? The reason the White Sox spent the money was to appease their fan base, to get better, to try and get to the World Series. Keeping Carey after loosing big games will not make us better. And yes, FSU and Marshall wins versus NIU are deflated wins, its why neither team wanted to play us in the first place.

This conversation is done since you said Howard picked up something Carey would never, only to proven that Carey had indeed picked up on it.

Have a good day.

So you get call people morons and then say the conversation is over. Maybe you should change 7 to message board bully.

(12-26-2014 03:43 PM)Huskie George Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 03:25 PM)7 Wrote:  The White Sox were ******* terrible last year. Are you really this stupid?

As for your Desmond Howard point, I guess you either ignored or didn't hear when Rob Stone reported that Kane was telling the D on the sidelines after the TD that "we practiced all week that the QB runs the ball in the redzone." So yes, the coaching staff knew, but the players have to go out and make the play. What else ya got?

Is that all "ya got" after reading the entire post? The reason the White Sox spent the money was to appease their fan base, to get better, to try and get to the World Series. Keeping Carey after loosing big games will not make us better. And yes, FSU and Marshall wins versus NIU are deflated wins, its why neither team wanted to play us in the first place.

C'mon guys, he's right.

Now let's hope the Huskies go spend some money in the free agent market this year.

Oh wait...

I wish everyone on this board displayed the level of intelligence, reason, and humor that 7 does.

(12-26-2014 06:42 PM)Jwbon Wrote:  I wish everyone on this board displayed the level of intelligence, reason, and humor that 7 does.

I'm not sure if this is serious or not but I'll take it lol.

(12-26-2014 06:59 PM)7 Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 06:42 PM)Jwbon Wrote:  I wish everyone on this board displayed the level of intelligence, reason, and humor that 7 does.

I'm not sure if this is serious or not but I'll take it lol.

Obviously does not follow you on twitter.

(12-26-2014 06:59 PM)7 Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 06:42 PM)Jwbon Wrote:  I wish everyone on this board displayed the level of intelligence, reason, and humor that 7 does.

I'm not sure if this is serious or not but I'll take it lol.

Oh I'm serious. You're consistently reasonable, knowledgeable, and sane in your postings. But yeah I don't know you on Twitter, ha.

(12-26-2014 03:19 PM)Huskie George Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 02:33 PM)7 Wrote:  They lost to a 13 win Marshall team who was a possesion away from going undefeated and an SEC West team. Newsflash, those teams had more talent than NIU did. A lot more talent.

And yes, if you're complaining about Carey at this point you're a moron. Always blaming coaching when NIU loses, makes you a moron.

If you want to complain about coaching, complain about whatever the hell that CMU game was where the couldn't stop a stretch play. Not two games where NIU got its doors blown off by teams better than them.

7, I'm so happy this board contains a contributor with the highest level of intelligence. Your attitude toward a different opinion is interesting. Attendance down, blame the fans. Did you notice how much money the White Sox spent recently? Why? The fan base reacted to a team that they perceived could not win a World Series by not buying tickets. The Sox recognized the problem. You on the other hand refuse to take a logical approach To NIU actually competing with "better" teams. We won 11 games by beating Presbyterian, UNLV, Northwestern (remember 5 win team) and mostly bad MAC (many ranked below 90) teams. We then lost to a very average CMU team. When we played good teams (not great Arkansas 6-6 & Marshall played a very weak, MAC heavy schedule) we got hammered because this deer-in-the-headlight coach when he starts to loose to these teams panics. See kick-offs giving a good, fast team, that thrives on good field position, the ball on the 45 yard line. Desmond Howard called the First Cato touchdown run before the play. Carey wouldn't know a tendency if it bit him. We are not competing with the teams at the level we emulate. Say what you want about past teams and coaches, but this 0-3 bowl games team is not better than the one 4 years ago. Don't say quarterback, Lynch teams lost 2 of the bowls and a game to Iowa. Carey will not move us up the ladder. Good luck with this coach when OOC schedule gets tougher.

YES! You speak the truth. Carey & staff are getting outcoached all the time.
Some of us really want to know if 7 has actually ever played football for being such an "expert" as he thinks he is. 7, have you played college football?
Or coached? Perhaps you've coached football at the college level? Yea, I thought not. Just a legend in your own mind, aren't you 7. LOL
If you have not, it would be very nice if you did not call people who do not agree with you idiots & morons.
Didn't your mother ever teach you to be nice & at least TRY to get along with other people?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

(12-26-2014 11:17 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 03:19 PM)Huskie George Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 02:33 PM)7 Wrote:  They lost to a 13 win Marshall team who was a possesion away from going undefeated and an SEC West team. Newsflash, those teams had more talent than NIU did. A lot more talent.

And yes, if you're complaining about Carey at this point you're a moron. Always blaming coaching when NIU loses, makes you a moron.

If you want to complain about coaching, complain about whatever the hell that CMU game was where the couldn't stop a stretch play. Not two games where NIU got its doors blown off by teams better than them.

7, I'm so happy this board contains a contributor with the highest level of intelligence. Your attitude toward a different opinion is interesting. Attendance down, blame the fans. Did you notice how much money the White Sox spent recently? Why? The fan base reacted to a team that they perceived could not win a World Series by not buying tickets. The Sox recognized the problem. You on the other hand refuse to take a logical approach To NIU actually competing with "better" teams. We won 11 games by beating Presbyterian, UNLV, Northwestern (remember 5 win team) and mostly bad MAC (many ranked below 90) teams. We then lost to a very average CMU team. When we played good teams (not great Arkansas 6-6 & Marshall played a very weak, MAC heavy schedule) we got hammered because this deer-in-the-headlight coach when he starts to loose to these teams panics. See kick-offs giving a good, fast team, that thrives on good field position, the ball on the 45 yard line. Desmond Howard called the First Cato touchdown run before the play. Carey wouldn't know a tendency if it bit him. We are not competing with the teams at the level we emulate. Say what you want about past teams and coaches, but this 0-3 bowl games team is not better than the one 4 years ago. Don't say quarterback, Lynch teams lost 2 of the bowls and a game to Iowa. Carey will not move us up the ladder. Good luck with this coach when OOC schedule gets tougher.

YES! You speak the truth. Carey & staff are getting outcoached all the time.
Some of us really want to know if 7 has actually ever played football for being such an "expert" as he thinks he is. 7, have you played college football?
Or coached? Perhaps you've coached football at the college level? Yea, I thought not. Just a legend in your own mind, aren't you 7. LOL
If you have not, it would be very nice if you did not call people who do not agree with you idiots & morons.
Didn't your mother ever teach you to be nice & at least TRY to get along with other people?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

The point that 7 is trying to make is that all of his arguments are based in facts and numbers and I know he watches every single game.

I'm sure it gets pretty irritating when (some) people refuse to back up their arguments with anything other than "well he sux we bettr fire him".

(12-26-2014 11:38 PM)zdsmith Wrote:  The point that 7 is trying to make is that all of his arguments are based in facts and numbers and I know he watches every single game.

I'm sure it gets pretty irritating when (some) people refuse to back up their arguments with anything other than "well he sux we bettr fire him".

7 has been wrong as much or more than anyone on this board, and you can tell when he is losing arguments because he resorts to the old name-calling tactic. That is the typical last resort when you lose an argument. People really need to get over the idea that everything has to be 100 percent good or 100 percent bad. How many people have jobs where when you have a performance review that is all good or all bad. Yes Carey and the coaching staff did a remarkable job keeping the ship afloat after CMU, but to deny the shortcomings and mistakes they have made this year is also a foolish thing to do. Granted there are a few people on here that have agendas, or the "firethiscoach.com" personalities, and those people are hard to listen to because they are not looking at things objectively. A level-headed person can see both the good and bad in the job the coaching staff has done this year.

(12-26-2014 11:38 PM)zdsmith Wrote:  The point that 7 is trying to make is that all of his arguments are based in facts and numbers and I know he watches every single game.

I'm sure it gets pretty irritating when (some) people refuse to back up their arguments with anything other than "well he sux we bettr fire him".

Zach, my husband actually PLAYED football. He is a very smart man & can see the whole picture. After living with this man for 35 years, I too can see. We also watch every single NIU game. In fact, we don't miss any of them ever.
While I believe that 7 believes he knows everything...he does not. He is just a young man - early 20 something year old who indeed does resort to name calling when a person disagrees with him.
He may very well be your friend, but he has a lot of growing up to do & he doesn't know everything. :-)
He is entitled to his thoughts & viewpoints but he does need to stop with the name calling when one of us does not agree with his views. That just shows his immaturity.