(12-18-2014 01:46 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:41 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:25 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:11 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  I didn't give an opinion either way. But you did. So what are you basing that off? Please don't deflect the question and try to answer a question with a question again.

I don't think you realize but 80% of those fans wearing red are Wisconsin fans. It was a great turnout...for Wisconsin fans. And yes I went to both games. Anyone who was at those games can confirm that NIU was largely outnumbered.

Look at all of that yellow. Posting that picture just strengthens what I'm trying to say. Thank you.

I'm not required to abide by your request, and I will ask you anyway. What is your opinion? What are you basing that off of? Please provide sources.

Thanks.

Don't give such strong opinions if you cannot back it up when pressed. You made an outlandish statement were called out of it and went into the fetal position.

It's impossible for me to provide a source for it. Just like it is impossible for you to provide a source for the opposite. It's not me going into a 'fetal position' it's me making the point that it's IMPOSSIBLE to source. I really don't think it's that outlandish to think that the BIG 12 is more interested in TV Revenue ($$$$) than they are with attendance.

I'm not trying to provide a source for the opposite though. I can't answer the question, I don't know the answer because I can't provide data to back it up.

It's just reckless to say things that you cannot prove.

(12-18-2014 01:49 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:45 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:42 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:26 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:24 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  It's so funny that you say the novelty of playing at Soldier Field has wore off. When was it ever in demand? Doesn't it have to be in demand to wear off?

Playing a good major conference opponent in an NFL stadium. Yawn!!!

I am not so sure it worn off. We brought around 15-20K to NU for the NU vs NIU game. I think if we played Iowa again in SF we would have a better crowd now than we did when we played them in the picture you highlighted.

It all depends on pricing.

NIU fans showed up well to Iowa in 2007 and at NU in 05 and 14 because our fanbase could get tickets for less than $40ea.

At the 11 & 12 SF games the cheapest ticket (other than the last min fire sale) was around $55ea.

They better get used to those prime prices of they want to jump to the Big 12 in the future.

Does anyone remember the story of the football players going to Fatties because they didn't want to pay $15 at homecoming to get into the game? That's the fan base in a nutshell. It's a tall task to change the entire culture of a program but I am glad Frazier is here.

And that's why I think its important to introduce the young alum packages. They are use to getting tickets "free". Ease them into paying for the tickets, strengthen their fandom, than when they are 5+ years out of school and start families their should be a family season ticket package.

I agree 100%. You have to get the kids engaged the moment they walk onto the campus. Most of the time the students leave by the end of the 1st quarter. Rare is the student who stays the entire game. I have no idea how you fix that but you have to get the students engaged, apparently winning lots of football games isn't enough. This might be one of those problems where there is no solution.

(12-18-2014 01:45 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:42 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:26 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:24 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  It's so funny that you say the novelty of playing at Soldier Field has wore off. When was it ever in demand? Doesn't it have to be in demand to wear off?

Playing a good major conference opponent in an NFL stadium. Yawn!!!

I am not so sure it worn off. We brought around 15-20K to NU for the NU vs NIU game. I think if we played Iowa again in SF we would have a better crowd now than we did when we played them in the picture you highlighted.

It all depends on pricing.

NIU fans showed up well to Iowa in 2007 and at NU in 05 and 14 because our fanbase could get tickets for less than $40ea.

At the 11 & 12 SF games the cheapest ticket (other than the last min fire sale) was around $55ea.

They better get used to those prime prices of they want to jump to the Big 12 in the future.

Does anyone remember the story of the football players going to Fatties because they didn't want to pay $15 at homecoming to get into the game? That's the fan base in a nutshell. It's a tall task to change the entire culture of a program but I am glad Frazier is here.

I would be willing to pay $75 per ticket to watch those teams at Huskie Stadium. For the next Soldier Field game I would be looking at the 300 level just so I can save a few bucks because its just not the same.

(12-18-2014 01:50 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:46 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:41 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:25 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:11 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  I didn't give an opinion either way. But you did. So what are you basing that off? Please don't deflect the question and try to answer a question with a question again.

I don't think you realize but 80% of those fans wearing red are Wisconsin fans. It was a great turnout...for Wisconsin fans. And yes I went to both games. Anyone who was at those games can confirm that NIU was largely outnumbered.

Look at all of that yellow. Posting that picture just strengthens what I'm trying to say. Thank you.

I'm not required to abide by your request, and I will ask you anyway. What is your opinion? What are you basing that off of? Please provide sources.

Thanks.

Don't give such strong opinions if you cannot back it up when pressed. You made an outlandish statement were called out of it and went into the fetal position.

It's impossible for me to provide a source for it. Just like it is impossible for you to provide a source for the opposite. It's not me going into a 'fetal position' it's me making the point that it's IMPOSSIBLE to source. I really don't think it's that outlandish to think that the BIG 12 is more interested in TV Revenue ($$$$) than they are with attendance.

I'm not trying to provide a source for the opposite though. I can't answer the question, I don't know the answer because I can't provide data to back it up.

It's just reckless to say things that you cannot prove.

The BIG 12 is in the business of making money. They making money from TV contracts. Adding NIU to their conference could potentially (more than likely) lead them to gather the Chicago DMA for Fox Sports (or even a Big 12 channel if they make one). This would lead to more money. Again, I don't know for sure, but it isn't that crazy to think that they'd want the Chicago DMA in order to make more money. Sure, NIU needs better attendance, but if we can improve in these coming years, having 20k+ in the stadium could be acceptable for the B12. Who knows for sure.... Only the B12.

More than most others.

(12-18-2014 01:58 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:45 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:42 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:26 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:24 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  It's so funny that you say the novelty of playing at Soldier Field has wore off. When was it ever in demand? Doesn't it have to be in demand to wear off?

Playing a good major conference opponent in an NFL stadium. Yawn!!!

I am not so sure it worn off. We brought around 15-20K to NU for the NU vs NIU game. I think if we played Iowa again in SF we would have a better crowd now than we did when we played them in the picture you highlighted.

It all depends on pricing.

NIU fans showed up well to Iowa in 2007 and at NU in 05 and 14 because our fanbase could get tickets for less than $40ea.

At the 11 & 12 SF games the cheapest ticket (other than the last min fire sale) was around $55ea.

They better get used to those prime prices of they want to jump to the Big 12 in the future.

Does anyone remember the story of the football players going to Fatties because they didn't want to pay $15 at homecoming to get into the game? That's the fan base in a nutshell. It's a tall task to change the entire culture of a program but I am glad Frazier is here.

I would be willing to pay $75 per ticket to watch those teams at Huskie Stadium. For the next Soldier Field game I would be looking at the 300 level just so I can save a few bucks because its just not the same.

Haha, I think several people on this board just had massive heart attacks at the thought of paying $75 to watch a game at Huskie Stadium!

(12-18-2014 08:34 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:58 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:45 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:42 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:26 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  I am not so sure it worn off. We brought around 15-20K to NU for the NU vs NIU game. I think if we played Iowa again in SF we would have a better crowd now than we did when we played them in the picture you highlighted.

It all depends on pricing.

NIU fans showed up well to Iowa in 2007 and at NU in 05 and 14 because our fanbase could get tickets for less than $40ea.

At the 11 & 12 SF games the cheapest ticket (other than the last min fire sale) was around $55ea.

They better get used to those prime prices of they want to jump to the Big 12 in the future.

Does anyone remember the story of the football players going to Fatties because they didn't want to pay $15 at homecoming to get into the game? That's the fan base in a nutshell. It's a tall task to change the entire culture of a program but I am glad Frazier is here.

I would be willing to pay $75 per ticket to watch those teams at Huskie Stadium. For the next Soldier Field game I would be looking at the 300 level just so I can save a few bucks because its just not the same.

Haha, I think several people on this board just had massive heart attacks at the thought of paying $75 to watch a game at Huskie Stadium!

Just for comparison here is the season ticket and single game ticket prices for TCU this season. (45,000 person capacity)

Wow TCUs is pretty cheap.

Seven home games. All on a Saturday.

Must be nice

With that schedule I would still buy my 6 season tickets that I do now. I would buy the $275 armchair East level and sell my tickets for 1 game. This year it would have been Oct 18th because of plans my wife and kids already had. Those tickets face value is $75 for Oklahoma St on Homecoming. I doubt those would be hard seats to sell to help recoup the overall cost. That would bring down my per seat cost to $200 which is still more than double what I pay now but this year 26% of my tickets went unused because of the weeknight games and not being able to get more people to the NIU MAC games for free even including tailgating.

I would love to see a final week rivalry game vs ISU.

As if anyone needed more proof that Chicago is NOT a college sports town, there was a doubleheader basketball game played at the United Center featuring 4 basketball powers...Ohio St., UNC, UCLA, Kentucky at least 3 of which I would call storied programs. While the attendance was almost 20k, I am sure much if that was KY and OSU following, and in general fans of the programs.

But my point is I did not once see a commercial, see an ad on the internet, newspaper on tv of the game. I had no clue this event was even being held here! That's how much local media thinks of collegiate sports, namely when a ND football or Illinois basketball is not involved.

(12-21-2014 12:26 AM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  As if anyone needed more proof that Chicago is NOT a college sports town, there was a doubleheader basketball game played at the United Center featuring 4 basketball powers...Ohio St., UNC, UCLA, Kentucky at least 3 of which I would call storied programs. While the attendance was almost 20k, I am sure much if that was KY and OSU following, and in general fans of the programs.

But my point is I did not once see a commercial, see an ad on the internet, newspaper on tv of the game. I had no clue this event was even being held here! That's how much local media thinks of collegiate sports, namely when a ND football or Illinois basketball is not involved.

Same thing last year when Duke played Kansas and Michigan St played Kentucky in Chicago. Doesn't get much more storied than those programs.

Illinois played Oregon in the United Center last week. I saw nothing about that either.

With duke Kansas and unc Kentucky last year, tickets were sold out to the schools and corporate sponsors before they hit the general market. I was online when they went on sale and there were no tickets to buy. They had no need to advertise the games after that.

(12-21-2014 12:26 AM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  As if anyone needed more proof that Chicago is NOT a college sports town, there was a doubleheader basketball game played at the United Center featuring 4 basketball powers...Ohio St., UNC, UCLA, Kentucky at least 3 of which I would call storied programs. While the attendance was almost 20k, I am sure much if that was KY and OSU following, and in general fans of the programs.

But my point is I did not once see a commercial, see an ad on the internet, newspaper on tv of the game. I had no clue this event was even being held here! That's how much local media thinks of collegiate sports, namely when a ND football or Illinois basketball is not involved.

+1 I observed the same thing

(12-22-2014 08:25 AM)KMR_NIU_13 Wrote:  With duke Kansas and unc Kentucky last year, tickets were sold out to the schools and corporate sponsors before they hit the general market. I was online when they went on sale and there were no tickets to buy. They had no need to advertise the games after that.

+1

BlueCrossBlueShield Building

(12-24-2014 10:24 AM)BobL Wrote:  BlueCrossBlueShield Building

I guess that makes up for the paper cut I got opening a privacy notice from them last night.

(12-16-2014 11:23 AM)Huskie359 Wrote:  In the various rants and discussions I've seen concerning a potential move for NIU to the Big 12, the #1 strength of adding NIU to the mix is the Chicago market. But what exactly does that mean? How much is that worth? The answer obviously lies in the television dollars.

I used the following website as a source:

http://www.whatyoupayforsports.com/numbers/

With the Big 10 network subscription, every monthly subscriber (including me as part of my Xfinity cable package) is charged $0.44 per month or $5.28 per year multiplied by $58,000,000 households = $306,000,000 in annual revenue for the Big 10.

Let's say NIU is extended an invite to the Big 12, and the various Chicago cable providers pick up the equivalent of the Big 12 Network. Let's say the Chicago market adds $12,000,000 homes at $0.44 per home, that equates to about $63,000,000 in annual revenue from the Chicago market.

Now I know I'm making a lot of assumptions...I don't know what the Big 12 network charges (I used the Big 10 info as an assumption) and I don't know if the Big 12 package is already included in many of the existing Chicago land cable packages. Hell, I don't know that the cable providers would even require its subscribers to take on the Big 12 network if NIU were to join.

But the bottom line and the main point is that there is potential for many millions to be made by the Big 12 conference by enlisting the Chicago market.

Feel free to point out errors or shoot holes in my logic.

Hilarious thread. You had me going there. For a minute you had me believing you actually thought the BIG 12 would want you.