(12-23-2014 11:27 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  1 out of 12 games is not enough. Playing Miami, KSU, EMU doesn't help. When we did play Arkansas looked what happened.

Well that was after we played Northwestern. How many P5 teams do you want to play? Plus, we lost to CMU and barely beat the bad teams. There was plenty to work on just from that.

(12-23-2014 10:58 PM)FunkyBuffalo Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 10:42 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Coverage and Redzone Offense issues for the Huskies. I questioned the keeping Cato in after it was a blow-out. I hope everybody that attended the game had a good time. Thought the pregame atmosphere and the weather were great.

Even though Cato has set almost every school QB record, in a school with 3 NFL-drafted QBs in the past 20 years, and Shueler has the most-receptions record for Conference USA, according to the commentators for tonight's game it isn't clear if either of them well get into the NFL. It could be the last football game for one or both of the guys who have been playing football together for most of their lives. Holiday was leaving them in to enjoy it and get the most out of it while they can.

1) There were other QBs on the team that deserved a shot at playing in a Bowl game.
2) I'd want to give the backups some Bowl experience.
3) Risking Cato injury if he's left in the game too long.''
4) I don't believe in running up a score on an overmatched opponent, unless you are substituting and the backups are scoring.
5) He would have played plenty if he were taken out at the 4th quarter 8 or 4 minute marks.

(12-23-2014 11:22 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  We need to get out of the MAC. Playing crap all year doesn't help when you really step up the competition in bowls. Marshall won't replace CATO.

Last time we left the MAC, our program went down.

Marshall's team was arguably their best in the past 10 years, while this NIU team despite their 11-3 record, was the least talented team over the past 5 years. Very proud of this NIU FB team and how it has improved and over achieved.

If anyone played "a crap schedule" this year it was Marshall.
Their fans will tell you that.
They left the MAC, and had 6 losing seasons in their next 8 years.
This year they peaked, but played a very weak schedule.
NIU was by far their best OCC competition . Had Marshall played Arkansas, LSU or Alabama they would have lost by several TD's.

Marshall FB program has tanked since it left the MAC. Biggest strategic mistake in recent Marshall FB history.

In 2003 while in the MAC they beat 6th ranked Kansas State(their best win!!), the same week Toledo crushed Penn State at Penn State and NIU beat a ranked Maryland team.

Since leaving the MAC, they have had problems scheduling quality OOC teams and despite the better Conference USA teams leaving, they sank close to the bottom of their league.
2005 4-7
2006 5-7
2007 3-9
2008 4-8
2009 7-6
2010 5-7
2011 7-6
2012 5-7
Record: 40-57
2013 10-3 (losing to Middle Tennessee, Virginia Tech and Rice)
2014 13-1

Next year's OOC teams are
09/05 - Purdue
09/12 - at Ohio
09/19 - Norfolk State
09/26 - at Kent State


When in the MAC Marshall from 1997-2002 played in 6 straight MCC going 5-1 (3-1 vs Toledo, 2-0 Western Michigan)

2003 8-4 losing to Tennesse #12, Toledo, Troy, #24 Miami Ohio
2004 6-6 losing to #3 Georgia, #9 Ohio State

In ten years they have appeared in only 2 Conf. USA finals , last year losing to Rice 24-41 and this year beating LA tech 26-23

Despite Marshall's lack of success in regular season games, their Bowl record is an impressive 9-2 from 1997-2014: 8 of them in the MAC where future NFL QB's like Chad Pennington and Byron Leftwich were the Bowl MVP's.
Their traditional rival is Ohio whom they beat 21-17 in Detroit in 2009 turning a 6-6 regular season into a 7-6 winning season.
2011 bt FIU,2013 bt Maryland, 2014 bt NIU.

Hopefully Marshall can continue its success under Doc Holiday who is 40-25 (earns $600 000/year).
Realistically, if Marshall would play ranked P5 teams and win, their coach would leave for greener pastures.(Sorry Kelly Green)

So Marshall fans can complain about their top FCS regular season schedule, and enjoy their minor Bowl victories.
If Marshall should chose to leave Conference USA for a P5 , they will need to increase Doc Holiday's salary to P5 level or risk going back to its 2005-2012 losing streak or worse.

Given their poor OOC schedule it is unlikely to attract the talent needed to appear in the Orange Bowl.

That being said, I hope Marshall will continue on its 10+ winning streak.
Staying in Conference USA under Doc Holiday and scheduling lower tear MAC teams, mediocre FCS teams and the bottom of the B1G should make that realistic.

Hopefully if NIU can beat Toledo,CMU,WMU and Boston College and he MAC East #5 Mac team champion, we can hope for a rematch against a weaker Marshall team and avenge our loss.

Maybe Marshall will one-day schedule NIU or Toledo instead of Ohio in their OCC and thereby improve their SOS.

(12-24-2014 04:44 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 11:22 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  We need to get out of the MAC. Playing crap all year doesn't help when you really step up the competition in bowls. Marshall won't replace CATO.

Last time we left the MAC, our program went down.

Marshall's team was arguably their best in the past 10 years, while this NIU team despite their 11-3 record, was the least talented team over the past 5 years. Very proud of this NIU FB team and how it has improved and over achieved.

If anyone played "a crap schedule" this year it was Marshall.
Their fans will tell you that.
They left the MAC, and had 6 losing seasons in their next 8 years.
This year they peaked, but played a very weak schedule.
NIU was by far their best OCC competition . Had Marshall played Arkansas, LSU or Alabama they would have lost by several TD's.

Marshall FB program has tanked since it left the MAC. Biggest strategic mistake in recent Marshall FB history.

In 2003 while in the MAC they beat 6th ranked Kansas State(their best win!!), the same week Toledo crushed Penn State at Penn State and NIU beat a ranked Maryland team.

Since leaving the MAC, they have had problems scheduling quality OOC teams and despite the better Conference USA teams leaving, they sank close to the bottom of their league.
2005 4-7
2006 5-7
2007 3-9
2008 4-8
2009 7-6
2010 5-7
2011 7-6
2012 5-7
Record: 40-57
2013 10-3 (losing to Middle Tennessee, Virginia Tech and Rice)
2014 13-1

Next year's OOC teams are
09/05 - Purdue
09/12 - at Ohio
09/19 - Norfolk State
09/26 - at Kent State


When in the MAC Marshall from 1997-2002 played in 6 straight MCC going 5-1 (3-1 vs Toledo, 2-0 Western Michigan)

2003 8-4 losing to Tennesse #12, Toledo, Troy, #24 Miami Ohio
2004 6-6 losing to #3 Georgia, #9 Ohio State

In ten years they have appeared in only 2 Conf. USA finals , last year losing to Rice 24-41 and this year beating LA tech 26-23

Despite Marshall's lack of success in regular season games, their Bowl record is an impressive 9-2 from 1997-2014: 8 of them in the MAC where future NFL QB's like Chad Pennington and Byron Leftwich were the Bowl MVP's.
Their traditional rival is Ohio whom they beat 21-17 in Detroit in 2009 turning a 6-6 regular season into a 7-6 winning season.
2011 bt FIU,2013 bt Maryland, 2014 bt NIU.

Hopefully Marshall can continue its success under Doc Holiday who is 40-25 (earns $600 000/year).
Realistically, if Marshall would play ranked P5 teams and win, their coach would leave for greener pastures.(Sorry Kelly Green)

So Marshall fans can complain about their top FCS regular season schedule, and enjoy their minor Bowl victories.
If Marshall should chose to leave Conference USA for a P5 , they will need to increase Doc Holiday's salary to P5 level or risk going back to its 2005-2012 losing streak or worse.

Given their poor OOC schedule it is unlikely to attract the talent needed to appear in the Orange Bowl.

That being said, I hope Marshall will continue on its 10+ winning streak.
Staying in Conference USA under Doc Holiday and scheduling lower tear MAC teams, mediocre FCS teams and the bottom of the B1G should make that realistic.

Hopefully if NIU can beat Toledo,CMU,WMU and Boston College and he MAC East #5 Mac team champion, we can hope for a rematch against a weaker Marshall team and avenge our loss.

Maybe Marshall will one-day schedule NIU or Toledo instead of Ohio in their OCC and thereby improve their SOS.

It would have been a better matchup if Marshall had been able to play NIU's Orange Bowl team. Oh well! Move on.

Marshall, great win and great team. Sometimes a g5 Team peaks with the right SR QB and that's what we saw here. It's a shame you didn't get to an access bowl and get a shot at a big boy. Now your goal is to do what we did this year and get back to the top after losing a monumental player. If so, then you've officially made it all the way back from a decade ago.

WMU fans make me want to get Toledo fans Xmas presents. But then again at least Toledo fans have a culture of winning so I guess that explains it.

Crappy capstone but you have to be proud of this team, the sr class and the program for getting a ship and 11 wins. It does suck that every time we knock on the door to real prominence we get kicked in the face. Agree with a previous post though that this wasn't the team to get that opportunity.

Blood in the mouth is good. If Hare takes the Harnish soph to junior leap we will be hell to deal with next year. He needs to make that Chessick center his new address. Also, can we get student volunteers to run go routes for hours at a time? It's insane how inaccurate he is on the deep ball. Tough as nails though and can juice the ball where it needs to go...could be great if he gets the accuracy and mechanics right.

(12-24-2014 04:44 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 11:22 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  We need to get out of the MAC. Playing crap all year doesn't help when you really step up the competition in bowls. Marshall won't replace CATO.

Last time we left the MAC, our program went down.

Marshall's team was arguably their best in the past 10 years, while this NIU team despite their 11-3 record, was the least talented team over the past 5 years. Very proud of this NIU FB team and how it has improved and over achieved.

If anyone played "a crap schedule" this year it was Marshall.
Their fans will tell you that.
They left the MAC, and had 6 losing seasons in their next 8 years.
This year they peaked, but played a very weak schedule.
NIU was by far their best OCC competition . Had Marshall played Arkansas, LSU or Alabama they would have lost by several TD's.

Marshall FB program has tanked since it left the MAC. Biggest strategic mistake in recent Marshall FB history.

In 2003 while in the MAC they beat 6th ranked Kansas State(their best win!!), the same week Toledo crushed Penn State at Penn State and NIU beat a ranked Maryland team.

Since leaving the MAC, they have had problems scheduling quality OOC teams and despite the better Conference USA teams leaving, they sank close to the bottom of their league.
2005 4-7
2006 5-7
2007 3-9
2008 4-8
2009 7-6
2010 5-7
2011 7-6
2012 5-7
Record: 40-57
2013 10-3 (losing to Middle Tennessee, Virginia Tech and Rice)
2014 13-1

Next year's OOC teams are
09/05 - Purdue
09/12 - at Ohio
09/19 - Norfolk State
09/26 - at Kent State


When in the MAC Marshall from 1997-2002 played in 6 straight MCC going 5-1 (3-1 vs Toledo, 2-0 Western Michigan)

2003 8-4 losing to Tennesse #12, Toledo, Troy, #24 Miami Ohio
2004 6-6 losing to #3 Georgia, #9 Ohio State

In ten years they have appeared in only 2 Conf. USA finals , last year losing to Rice 24-41 and this year beating LA tech 26-23

Despite Marshall's lack of success in regular season games, their Bowl record is an impressive 9-2 from 1997-2014: 8 of them in the MAC where future NFL QB's like Chad Pennington and Byron Leftwich were the Bowl MVP's.
Their traditional rival is Ohio whom they beat 21-17 in Detroit in 2009 turning a 6-6 regular season into a 7-6 winning season.
2011 bt FIU,2013 bt Maryland, 2014 bt NIU.

Hopefully Marshall can continue its success under Doc Holiday who is 40-25 (earns $600 000/year).
Realistically, if Marshall would play ranked P5 teams and win, their coach would leave for greener pastures.(Sorry Kelly Green)

So Marshall fans can complain about their top FCS regular season schedule, and enjoy their minor Bowl victories.
If Marshall should chose to leave Conference USA for a P5 , they will need to increase Doc Holiday's salary to P5 level or risk going back to its 2005-2012 losing streak or worse.

Given their poor OOC schedule it is unlikely to attract the talent needed to appear in the Orange Bowl.

That being said, I hope Marshall will continue on its 10+ winning streak.
Staying in Conference USA under Doc Holiday and scheduling lower tear MAC teams, mediocre FCS teams and the bottom of the B1G should make that realistic.

Hopefully if NIU can beat Toledo,CMU,WMU and Boston College and he MAC East #5 Mac team champion, we can hope for a rematch against a weaker Marshall team and avenge our loss.

Maybe Marshall will one-day schedule NIU or Toledo instead of Ohio in their OCC and thereby improve their SOS.

Marshall struggled because they were recovering from probation coupled with a terrible coach. Since Doc took over, you've seen us return to where we were pre Mark Snyder. Don't kid yourself, leaving the MAC was a great decision. The money isn't even close.

(12-24-2014 10:44 AM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 04:44 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 11:22 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  We need to get out of the MAC. Playing crap all year doesn't help when you really step up the competition in bowls. Marshall won't replace CATO.

Last time we left the MAC, our program went down.

Marshall's team was arguably their best in the past 10 years, while this NIU team despite their 11-3 record, was the least talented team over the past 5 years. Very proud of this NIU FB team and how it has improved and over achieved.

If anyone played "a crap schedule" this year it was Marshall.
Their fans will tell you that.
They left the MAC, and had 6 losing seasons in their next 8 years.
This year they peaked, but played a very weak schedule.
NIU was by far their best OCC competition . Had Marshall played Arkansas, LSU or Alabama they would have lost by several TD's.

Marshall FB program has tanked since it left the MAC. Biggest strategic mistake in recent Marshall FB history.

In 2003 while in the MAC they beat 6th ranked Kansas State(their best win!!), the same week Toledo crushed Penn State at Penn State and NIU beat a ranked Maryland team.

Since leaving the MAC, they have had problems scheduling quality OOC teams and despite the better Conference USA teams leaving, they sank close to the bottom of their league.
2005 4-7
2006 5-7
2007 3-9
2008 4-8
2009 7-6
2010 5-7
2011 7-6
2012 5-7
Record: 40-57
2013 10-3 (losing to Middle Tennessee, Virginia Tech and Rice)
2014 13-1

Next year's OOC teams are
09/05 - Purdue
09/12 - at Ohio
09/19 - Norfolk State
09/26 - at Kent State


When in the MAC Marshall from 1997-2002 played in 6 straight MCC going 5-1 (3-1 vs Toledo, 2-0 Western Michigan)

2003 8-4 losing to Tennesse #12, Toledo, Troy, #24 Miami Ohio
2004 6-6 losing to #3 Georgia, #9 Ohio State

In ten years they have appeared in only 2 Conf. USA finals , last year losing to Rice 24-41 and this year beating LA tech 26-23

Despite Marshall's lack of success in regular season games, their Bowl record is an impressive 9-2 from 1997-2014: 8 of them in the MAC where future NFL QB's like Chad Pennington and Byron Leftwich were the Bowl MVP's.
Their traditional rival is Ohio whom they beat 21-17 in Detroit in 2009 turning a 6-6 regular season into a 7-6 winning season.
2011 bt FIU,2013 bt Maryland, 2014 bt NIU.

Hopefully Marshall can continue its success under Doc Holiday who is 40-25 (earns $600 000/year).
Realistically, if Marshall would play ranked P5 teams and win, their coach would leave for greener pastures.(Sorry Kelly Green)

So Marshall fans can complain about their top FCS regular season schedule, and enjoy their minor Bowl victories.
If Marshall should chose to leave Conference USA for a P5 , they will need to increase Doc Holiday's salary to P5 level or risk going back to its 2005-2012 losing streak or worse.

Given their poor OOC schedule it is unlikely to attract the talent needed to appear in the Orange Bowl.

That being said, I hope Marshall will continue on its 10+ winning streak.
Staying in Conference USA under Doc Holiday and scheduling lower tear MAC teams, mediocre FCS teams and the bottom of the B1G should make that realistic.

Hopefully if NIU can beat Toledo,CMU,WMU and Boston College and he MAC East #5 Mac team champion, we can hope for a rematch against a weaker Marshall team and avenge our loss.

Maybe Marshall will one-day schedule NIU or Toledo instead of Ohio in their OCC and thereby improve their SOS.

Marshall struggled because they were recovering from probation coupled with a terrible coach. Since Doc took over, you've seen us return to where we were pre Mark Snyder. Don't kid yourself, leaving the MAC was a great decision. The money isn't even close.

You're just jealous you don't get to play your November games midweek at 6 pm on ESPN 8.

(12-24-2014 10:44 AM)herdftblfan1 Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 04:44 AM)sterling1man Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 11:22 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  We need to get out of the MAC. Playing crap all year doesn't help when you really step up the competition in bowls. Marshall won't replace CATO.

Last time we left the MAC, our program went down.

Marshall's team was arguably their best in the past 10 years, while this NIU team despite their 11-3 record, was the least talented team over the past 5 years. Very proud of this NIU FB team and how it has improved and over achieved.

If anyone played "a crap schedule" this year it was Marshall.
Their fans will tell you that.
They left the MAC, and had 6 losing seasons in their next 8 years.
This year they peaked, but played a very weak schedule.
NIU was by far their best OCC competition . Had Marshall played Arkansas, LSU or Alabama they would have lost by several TD's.

Marshall FB program has tanked since it left the MAC. Biggest strategic mistake in recent Marshall FB history.

In 2003 while in the MAC they beat 6th ranked Kansas State(their best win!!), the same week Toledo crushed Penn State at Penn State and NIU beat a ranked Maryland team.

Since leaving the MAC, they have had problems scheduling quality OOC teams and despite the better Conference USA teams leaving, they sank close to the bottom of their league.
2005 4-7
2006 5-7
2007 3-9
2008 4-8
2009 7-6
2010 5-7
2011 7-6
2012 5-7
Record: 40-57
2013 10-3 (losing to Middle Tennessee, Virginia Tech and Rice)
2014 13-1

Next year's OOC teams are
09/05 - Purdue
09/12 - at Ohio
09/19 - Norfolk State
09/26 - at Kent State


When in the MAC Marshall from 1997-2002 played in 6 straight MCC going 5-1 (3-1 vs Toledo, 2-0 Western Michigan)

2003 8-4 losing to Tennesse #12, Toledo, Troy, #24 Miami Ohio
2004 6-6 losing to #3 Georgia, #9 Ohio State

In ten years they have appeared in only 2 Conf. USA finals , last year losing to Rice 24-41 and this year beating LA tech 26-23

Despite Marshall's lack of success in regular season games, their Bowl record is an impressive 9-2 from 1997-2014: 8 of them in the MAC where future NFL QB's like Chad Pennington and Byron Leftwich were the Bowl MVP's.
Their traditional rival is Ohio whom they beat 21-17 in Detroit in 2009 turning a 6-6 regular season into a 7-6 winning season.
2011 bt FIU,2013 bt Maryland, 2014 bt NIU.

Hopefully Marshall can continue its success under Doc Holiday who is 40-25 (earns $600 000/year).
Realistically, if Marshall would play ranked P5 teams and win, their coach would leave for greener pastures.(Sorry Kelly Green)

So Marshall fans can complain about their top FCS regular season schedule, and enjoy their minor Bowl victories.
If Marshall should chose to leave Conference USA for a P5 , they will need to increase Doc Holiday's salary to P5 level or risk going back to its 2005-2012 losing streak or worse.

Given their poor OOC schedule it is unlikely to attract the talent needed to appear in the Orange Bowl.

That being said, I hope Marshall will continue on its 10+ winning streak.
Staying in Conference USA under Doc Holiday and scheduling lower tear MAC teams, mediocre FCS teams and the bottom of the B1G should make that realistic.

Hopefully if NIU can beat Toledo,CMU,WMU and Boston College and he MAC East #5 Mac team champion, we can hope for a rematch against a weaker Marshall team and avenge our loss.

Maybe Marshall will one-day schedule NIU or Toledo instead of Ohio in their OCC and thereby improve their SOS.

Marshall struggled because they were recovering from probation coupled with a terrible coach. Since Doc took over, you've seen us return to where we were pre Mark Snyder. Don't kid yourself, leaving the MAC was a great decision. The money isn't even close.?

What do you mean the money isn't even close?

You complain about playing bad teams during the season in Conference USA? That was not the case in the MAC?
If Doc Holiday is as good as you believe, what makes you think a P5 school will not offer him $2-$3M?

As in the amount of money Marshall receives from the conference for television packages, bowl revenue sharing, travel expense reimbursement, etc. isn't even close. I have no problem with the MAC and I enjoyed our time there but IN MY OPINION, from top to bottom, competition is not only already better in C-USA, I believe that gap will continue to widen as the programs in our conference continue to invest in their programs. Sadly, many (not all) MAC schools aren't willing to make similar investments.

I don't want to play Tuesday at 6 but I do miss being on ESPN. Fox was MUCH improved this year, though.

We got our coach a pay bump, but it is probably still under a million by a couple hundred thou. The state treats Marshall like a bastard child. WVU's coach makes 2.6 mil, ours make like .8ish mil now probably. Sad really, but still a very livable wage in this state. We had an Ohio State coach who tried to play Ohio State ball in our lul of the 2000s. G5 teams just can't get the recruits for that smash-mouth 17-14 score ball, although Ohio State did have to kick a game-winning FG to beat us in that time. Still, Snyder had a 38% win rate (22-37). That was a tough pill to swallow after Pruett's 80% (94-23). Holiday has us back on track after the Snyder disaster and is 23-5 the last 2 years and 27-13 in the conference since he took over. He's here for at least another year, hopefully longer.

I didn't think going to CUSA was going to be a big step up when we left the MAC, but it was. Not quite as much now. Restructuring took some of our better teams with Louisville, Memphis and ECU. We have a record of 35-15 vs the teams that are in CUSA now. Make the move if you can, but just expect an adjustment period. You all are good enough to do it and we need all the decent teams we can get in here now. Also, there were years in the MAC when we would lose money going to a bowl game. That doesn't happen in CUSA. The money IS better; although, it obviously isn't SEC money or anything.

PS - Completely unrelated to anything, but in all of the talk about Marshall everyone mentions Moss, Pennington and Leftwich, but nobody ever mentions Troy Brown with 3 Super Bowl rings and all-time Patriots receptions leader. Just wanted to put his name out there for recognition.

The landscape will keep changing in college football for the next several years. They probably have to go from a power 5 conferences to power 6 conferences in the next few years and transition to an 8-team playoffs. I was hoping the Big 10 would have been left off so they could whine incessantly and speed up the process. I'm guessing the conferences will have 14 to 16 schools and in a few years Saban will complain about being in such a tough conference like the SEC and recruits will have a more open mind about schools like Boise, TCU, South Florida, or NIU so they have an easier track to the playoffs than going to the SEC. Maybe even a defection of an SEC school or two to the sixth and last power conference...