The egos at Texas and BYU are about the biggest in college FB. ND is the only other school in that league. All three think their sh-t doesn't stink.

It's going to take a lot of work to get BYU in the same conference as Texas. Maybe it's possible, I don't know.

(12-25-2014 11:26 AM)mac6115cd Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 06:21 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  N/A. If Texas closed the door, the Big 12 closed the door. It doesn't matter what Oklahoma or the other 8 think...

Texas was National Champions in 2005 and won the Big 12 in 2009 (then got whacked by Alabama in the BCS championship game). Since then, they've been non-existent. They have great history, but nothing else.

They don't matter anymore. The Big12 can get along quite well without them, but they won't leave. Why? Because they wouldn't have a chance in the SEC, Pac12 or Big10. They're getting beat regularly by TCU and Baylor, which will continue into the future. Nobody watches the "Red River Rivalry" anymore, because it means nothing. Stop living in the past - they were great 20 years ago - it's OVER! Other programs have caught up to them (and passed them) - they're not the top dog anymore.

Bowlsby and the rest of the ADs need to call Texas' bluff if they threaten to leave. Let them - who cares? They're FB program has jumped the shark and even Charlie Strong will be hard pressed to revive it.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Had it been Texas instead of TCU or Baylor, they'd have made the playoffs this year. Their name has the biggest cachet in the region and the only time they got passed up was by OU one year, who nationally is as equally as big of a name. So while they are down some, they still have the name. Baylor could make 10 straight playoff appearances and still not eclipse Texas if they made the playoffs the next year.

My question is this; ESPN is going to get paid for broadcasting Longhorn games regardless of whatever conference they join. Let's say for example the Mouse brokers a deal for them to leave for the SEC. Texas will eventually get 15 million/yr for the LHN, what's to stop ESPN from just giving Texas the full amount? Then via a look-in a the Longhorns get a reduced conference payment of 5 million/yr until the B12 GOR expires. Texas gets better homes and the LHN gets better content. While the B12 still gets the T1 and T2 Longhorn money, The conferences days are numbered.

(12-25-2014 01:23 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Here is another good link to read:

Myth of the Big 12's Grant of rights.

Where I read:

Quote: A grant of rights is a contract between each individual school and the conference pledging the school's media rights to conference for a number of year.

Except no, its not, its a contract granting the school's media rights to a conference for a number of years. This happens all the time in media licensing deals ... for instance, Marvel has long had a deal that grants the rights to Spider Man to Sony, and Marvel now has Marvel Studios, and it would like to also use Spider Man in its Avengers universe movies.

But it has not pledged to give the right to Spider Man at some future date, it has given the right over the period of time covered by the contract. A copyright is not a physical thing, its a legal status in the first place, so signing a rights contract is not about promising to do a physical thing, its about granting the other party a legal status.

So if it wants to get Spider Man, it needs to do a deal with Sony.

Quote: Like all contracts, it can be broken. School X, member of Conference A who has granted its media rights to Conference A, thinks it can make more money in Conference B. So School X leaves Conference A for Conference B placing its media rights in Conference B. Now School X's games will be distributed by both conferences.

Exclusive rights that have been granted are no longer the original rights holder's to grant. It is a very strong precedent that the prior grant of right will supersede the later one: without this, massive media deals worth much more than the value of a conference contract per year would fall apart.

Quote: Conference A would love to force School X to leave its media rights with Conference A, requesting a court require specific performance of the grant of rights.

And this reads like nonsense posing as argument ... there is no need to require "specific performance of the grant of rights". Indeed, there is no need for Conference A to sue the school at all. Conference A can directly sue whatever media company is using the intellectual property without the permission of Conference A, demonstrate in court that it has a valid exclusive rights, and the media company then requires their permission to proceed, and does not require the permission of Conference B to proceed. Just like Sony could sue anybody that attempted to show a Marvel Studios movie containing Spiderman if Marvel Studios was to include Spiderman in the movie without the permission of Sony as the incumbent rights holder.

(12-26-2014 02:26 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Exclusive rights that have been granted are no longer the original rights holder's to grant.

Sure, and that applies to the conference as well as to individual schools. The media rights of Big 12 schools that were granted to the conference in the GOR are no longer the conference's to grant, either, because the Big 12 sold them to ESPN and Fox for a period of time that is coextensive with the GOR.

The GOR protects a conference in that it guarantees the TV money won't be cut for the life of the contract, and it also protects the TV rightsholders in that they know those teams' home games won't go to rival networks during the life of the contract. ESPN/Fox continue to hold those rights for the life of the TV contract, even if a school departs.

BYU and Cincinnati will happen soon. Sorry Memphis, USF, UCF, UConn, Houston and ECU.

(12-26-2014 03:25 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 02:26 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Exclusive rights that have been granted are no longer the original rights holder's to grant.

Sure, and that applies to the conference as well as to individual schools. The media rights of Big 12 schools that were granted to the conference in the GOR are no longer the conference's to grant, either, because the Big 12 sold them to ESPN and Fox for a period of time that is coextensive with the GOR.

The GOR protects a conference in that it guarantees the TV money won't be cut for the life of the contract, and it also protects the TV rightsholders in that they know those teams' home games won't go to rival networks during the life of the contract. ESPN/Fox continue to hold those rights for the life of the TV contract, even if a school departs.

Correct. I've been saying this for months, but the misconceptions continue.

The GOTs primarily exist to protect the networks from losing content to another network. To accomplish each school's rights are granted to the conference so the conference grant them to the network(s) in exchange for guaranteed money for the length of the grant of rights.

It is a win/win for the network(s) and the conference. The GOR prevent schools from going to another network and the conference gets guaranteed money and the extra benefit of it being harder for a school to leave the conference because such school would have to go to a conference that has a similar contract with the same network.

This is why Texas cannot go to the PAC. They have their own network. The same with Oklahoma, much to Boren's chagrin. ESPN smartly gave Texas the LHN to get them to sign the Big12 GOR. They also partnered with FOX so they would not have to bid against them.

(12-25-2014 09:25 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  My question is this; ESPN is going to get paid for broadcasting Longhorn games regardless of whatever conference they join. Let's say for example the Mouse brokers a deal for them to leave for the SEC. Texas will eventually get 15 million/yr for the LHN, what's to stop ESPN from just giving Texas the full amount? Then via a look-in a the Longhorns get a reduced conference payment of 5 million/yr until the B12 GOR expires. Texas gets better homes and the LHN gets better content. While the B12 still gets the T1 and T2 Longhorn money, The conferences days are numbered.

It doesn't quite work that way. The way our AD described it is that the conference owns all of each schools rights to the media as well as their product licensing and it turn funnels those revenues back to each school depending on what each school makes. So a school leaving the Big 12 or ACC will have nothing to follow them until the GOR ends.

(12-26-2014 03:47 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 09:25 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  My question is this; ESPN is going to get paid for broadcasting Longhorn games regardless of whatever conference they join. Let's say for example the Mouse brokers a deal for them to leave for the SEC. Texas will eventually get 15 million/yr for the LHN, what's to stop ESPN from just giving Texas the full amount? Then via a look-in a the Longhorns get a reduced conference payment of 5 million/yr until the B12 GOR expires. Texas gets better homes and the LHN gets better content. While the B12 still gets the T1 and T2 Longhorn money, The conferences days are numbered.

It doesn't quite work that way. The way our AD described it is that the conference owns all of each schools rights to the media as well as their product licensing and it turn funnels those revenues back to each school depending on what each school makes. So a school leaving the Big 12 or ACC will have nothing to follow them until the GOR ends.

Respectfully, that is not correct. You must have misunderstood your AD.

(12-26-2014 03:18 PM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 03:25 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 02:26 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Exclusive rights that have been granted are no longer the original rights holder's to grant.

Sure, and that applies to the conference as well as to individual schools. The media rights of Big 12 schools that were granted to the conference in the GOR are no longer the conference's to grant, either, because the Big 12 sold them to ESPN and Fox for a period of time that is coextensive with the GOR.

The GOR protects a conference in that it guarantees the TV money won't be cut for the life of the contract, and it also protects the TV rightsholders in that they know those teams' home games won't go to rival networks during the life of the contract. ESPN/Fox continue to hold those rights for the life of the TV contract, even if a school departs.

Correct. I've been saying this for months, but the misconceptions continue.

The GOTs primarily exist to protect the networks from losing content to another network. To accomplish each school's rights are granted to the conference so the conference grant them to the network(s) in exchange for guaranteed money for the length of the grant of rights.

It is a win/win for the network(s) and the conference. The GOR prevent schools from going to another network and the conference gets guaranteed money and the extra benefit of it being harder for a school to leave the conference because such school would have to go to a conference that has a similar contract with the same network.

This is why Texas cannot go to the PAC. They have their own network. The same with Oklahoma, much to Boren's chagrin. ESPN smartly gave Texas the LHN to get them to sign the Big12 GOR. They also partnered with FOX so they would not have to bid against them.

LHN and the other Big 12 teams' 3rd-tier media rights are not covered by the Big 12 GOR. A departing team keeps those rights and the revenue that goes with them, even if they leave and regardless of where they might go.

This is somewhat different from the Pac, Big Ten, and ACC. For those leagues, the 3rd-tier TV rights of each team were granted to the conference in the GOR, though radio rights and certain other media rights were retained by the individual teams.