(12-23-2014 10:55 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 10:33 PM)SOT1977 Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 06:20 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 06:06 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  Good luck with that lawsuit and you should really shore up your definition of illegal

Don't worry, I won't beg you to sign a petition. You just have to say ethnic discrimination and you will millions of morons behind you picketing with no idea what they are yelling about.

Trust me, we know a hell of a lot more about it than you do.

So you are Indian?

1/16th Choctaw checking in

http://www.raginpagin.com/louisiana/show...for-a-Name

The Battle for a Name

(12-23-2014 07:47 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 07:28 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 07:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 06:33 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-23-2014 06:30 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  Just post it when you see/hear it and let the rest of us, as a conference, pester the hell out of them until they get it right. It matters. If you can post a link to the best place to respond when it happens it would be helpful.

I've never understood why more conference mates aren't in favor, do you want people to think you are in a conference with the Lafayette leopards? Perception is based on the company you keep.

There are several who do it just because they know it annoys you guys.

I'm very well aware of that and I think several of our fans go about it the wrong way. Using our official name or some weird variation of it is one thing... The wrong school and logo is another story, imagine if someone put arkansas pine bluffs logo next your name for the godaddy? That's a spot in the face of the players and alumni.

Post it with a link and we'll do what we can collectively. We need to stop harping on this stuff. They get it wrong because we're forcing them to talk about us. Post the link and share the humor in it and be done with it.

That's a way to bring ESPN to their knees......sick the Ga So fans on them. Maybe we should ask for another bowl while we're at it.

I would like for you guys to be Louisiana easier sell to home fans.

ARK ST
Texas ST
GA ST
NMSU
U of Idaho

working with ULM is all that is needed far as I an tell.

I remember the crap some of us Eagle fans took for bickering with Ga. State about the whole GSU moniker... And that was for a year or two, tops.

I can only imagine how sick stAte and ULM fans are of hearing this year in and year out.

I get it. Fans aren't getting their way and have a bone to pick. And it really sucks when one of your fleeting mentions on ESPN or on otherwise national outlets botches your name.

But come on. Suck it up. It took us all of one season to put the GSU issue to bed. Fans who continue to complain only make it that much easier for rivals to get under your skin.

(12-25-2014 12:18 AM)CC Eagle Wrote:  I remember the crap some of us Eagle fans took for bickering with Ga. State about the whole GSU moniker... And that was for a year or two, tops.

I can only imagine how sick stAte and ULM fans are of hearing this year in and year out.

I get it. Fans aren't getting their way and have a bone to pick. And it really sucks when one of your fleeting mentions on ESPN or on otherwise national outlets botches your name.

But come on. Suck it up. It took us all of one season to put the GSU issue to bed. Fans who continue to complain only make it that much easier for rivals to get under your skin.

Did you know our name has been legally changed to university of Louisiana twice? And then reversed twice. This isn't some cheap we are just trying to make up. Graduates of the spring of 1999 diplomas say university of louisana. Just saying, educate yourself on the subject before you tell us to suck it up.

(12-25-2014 12:18 AM)CC Eagle Wrote:  I remember the crap some of us Eagle fans took for bickering with Ga. State about the whole GSU moniker... And that was for a year or two, tops.

I can only imagine how sick stAte and ULM fans are of hearing this year in and year out.

I get it. Fans aren't getting their way and have a bone to pick. And it really sucks when one of your fleeting mentions on ESPN or on otherwise national outlets botches your name.

But come on. Suck it up. It took us all of one season to put the GSU issue to bed. Fans who continue to complain only make it that much easier for rivals to get under your skin.

The UL vs ULL issue isn't some petty argument between a couple fan bases. Its gotten as far as their state legislature, and has been a battle since the 90's, with both schools using the UL moniker at some point.

I think the annoying thing about it for us is that we've watched this battle unfold for 20 years...and we know no matter what the Cajuns do today, its probably not going to change any time soon.

(12-25-2014 12:36 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 12:18 AM)CC Eagle Wrote:  I remember the crap some of us Eagle fans took for bickering with Ga. State about the whole GSU moniker... And that was for a year or two, tops.

I can only imagine how sick stAte and ULM fans are of hearing this year in and year out.

I get it. Fans aren't getting their way and have a bone to pick. And it really sucks when one of your fleeting mentions on ESPN or on otherwise national outlets botches your name.

But come on. Suck it up. It took us all of one season to put the GSU issue to bed. Fans who continue to complain only make it that much easier for rivals to get under your skin.

The UL vs ULL issue isn't some petty argument between a couple fan bases. Its gotten as far as their state legislature, and has been a battle since the 90's, with both schools using the UL moniker at some point.

I think the annoying thing about it for us is that we've watched this battle unfold for 20 years...and we know no matter what the Cajuns do today, it's probably not going to change any time soon.

80s, more specifically, 1984.

Very true.

(12-25-2014 12:36 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I think the annoying thing about it for us is that we've watched this battle unfold for 20 years...and we know no matter what the Cajuns do today, its probably not going to change any time soon.

That's mainly what I was getting at. I'm not saying that there isn't a legitimate gripe... just that it doesn't matter.

It seems pretty obvious that nothing is changing until some Cajun alum becomes governor or grabs control of the BoT.

(12-25-2014 01:20 AM)CC Eagle Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 12:36 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I think the annoying thing about it for us is that we've watched this battle unfold for 20 years...and we know no matter what the Cajuns do today, its probably not going to change any time soon.

That's mainly what I was getting at. I'm not saying that there isn't a legitimate gripe... just that it doesn't matter.

It seems pretty obvious that nothing is changing until some Cajun alum becomes governor or grabs control of the BoT.

But it DOES matter, which is why I posed the question originally. It truly hit home with me when I watched Louisiana beat my Jags in Lafayette and saw for myself just how proud of the brand the 30,000'ish fans there displayed.

Also, like another poster pointed out, I feel their official, lawfully acquired brand, if used as requested by the Cajuns to the media would help, if only a tiny bit, with the Sun Belt's brand and perception as well. People already think of us as a conference full of commuter directional schools when that's hardly the case.

If the media would simply adhere to the reasonable requests by our Louisiana schools to respect their brands ("ULM" & "Louisiana") it could ONLY enhance the SBC brand, which in turn enhances all of our other conference mates' brands in the long run.

Just my humble opinion.

(12-25-2014 01:46 AM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 01:20 AM)CC Eagle Wrote:  

(12-25-2014 12:36 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I think the annoying thing about it for us is that we've watched this battle unfold for 20 years...and we know no matter what the Cajuns do today, its probably not going to change any time soon.

That's mainly what I was getting at. I'm not saying that there isn't a legitimate gripe... just that it doesn't matter.

It seems pretty obvious that nothing is changing until some Cajun alum becomes governor or grabs control of the BoT.

But it DOES matter, which is why I posed the question originally. It truly hit home with me when I watched Louisiana beat my Jags in Lafayette and saw for myself just how proud of the brand the 30,000'ish fans there displayed.

Also, like another poster pointed out, I feel their official, lawfully acquired brand, if used as requested by the Cajuns to the media would help, if only a tiny bit, with the Sun Belt's brand and perception as well. People already think of us as a conference full of commuter directional schools when that's hardly the case.

If the media would simply adhere to the reasonable requests by our Louisiana schools to respect their brands ("ULM" & "Louisiana") it could ONLY enhance the SBC brand, which in turn enhances all of our other conference mates' brands in the long run.

Just my humble opinion.

You sir get it, thank you. If our conference mates would honor our request it would go a long way. ULM wants their brand to be know as ULM and everyone obliges, nobody use ULmon or ULMoan or lamone or louisana @monroe but I preferred athletic brand isn't right. Our Louisiana brand us as 100% legal and legitimate as ULM. Troy decided to be Troy not Troy state, fine.. We obliged. But the perception of the whole conference gets better as each schools brand improves.

So your upset bc they refer to you as your official name and Mascot

(12-25-2014 09:32 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  So your upset bc they refer to you as your official name and Mascot

Actually , no.

If they went by the University's "official" name, which is UL Lafayette, ESPN and those arguing against our use of the moniker "Louisiana", they would have an argument.

But that's not what happens.

We get "LaLa"'d, we get "ULaLa"'d, we get "Lafayette"'d, we get leopardized.

If they want to win a debate, it would be best if they used a fact.

In the late 80's and early 90's, Georgia Southern College was working to acquire University status by adding more graduate programs and research. The battle for us is always with the Board of Regents which is dominated by North Ga power brokers and UGA alumni.

In the early 2000's, less than a decade after we earned University status, an idiot UGA alumnus named Roy Barnes became governor and decided he would improve education in Georgia by calling all 4-year colleges Universities and Vo-Tech schools and JC's would be Colleges.

By keeping Ga Southern a regional university denying us the resources to transition to a Research University with multiple graduate programs, South Georgians seeking advanced public education are forced to relocate to Atlanta or Athens.

The financial impact is considerable. Ga Southern accounts for 6-7% of enrollment in the University System, but receives only 4% of the total budget. UGA and Tech receive 11% each not counting another 5% to UGA's Cooperative Extension Services. Ga State receives it's enrollment equivalent of 7% and the Medical College of Ga (Now called Regents University) receives 11%. If our share of the budget matched our enrollment, we would be due an extra $200 Million annually.

All of the above considered, I recognize that we will never win that battle. The notion of "fairness" is a warm and fuzzy myth perpetuated by those who exploit the "unfairly" treated with promises of change (and hope).

I've seen growth in the quality of academics, facilities, alumni support, and national recognition for Ga Southern over the last 30 years. We can and will continue that growth and strive to improve - We Will NEVER be an equal to UGA or Tech so measuring ourselves against them is ridiculous.

I think I get why ULL folks want to be rebranded, but I see it as a Roy Barnes-type gimmick. ULL's graduate programs are no where near LSU's and are about the same as ULM's.

What is the argument in Lafayette that ULL should be UL instead of SE, NW, ULM, McNeese, Nicholls, Grambling, or NO?

(12-26-2014 10:29 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  In the late 80's and early 90's, Georgia Southern College was working to acquire University status by adding more graduate programs and research. The battle for us is always with the Board of Regents which is dominated by North Ga power brokers and UGA alumni.

In the early 2000's, less than a decade after we earned University status, an idiot UGA alumnus named Roy Barnes became governor and decided he would improve education in Georgia by calling all 4-year colleges Universities and Vo-Tech schools and JC's would be Colleges.

By keeping Ga Southern a regional university denying us the resources to transition to a Research University with multiple graduate programs, South Georgians seeking advanced public education are forced to relocate to Atlanta or Athens.

The financial impact is considerable. Ga Southern accounts for 6-7% of enrollment in the University System, but receives only 4% of the total budget. UGA and Tech receive 11% each not counting another 5% to UGA's Cooperative Extension Services. Ga State receives it's enrollment equivalent of 7% and the Medical College of Ga (Now called Regents University) receives 11%. If our share of the budget matched our enrollment, we would be due an extra $200 Million annually.

All of the above considered, I recognize that we will never win that battle. The notion of "fairness" is a warm and fuzzy myth perpetuated by those who exploit the "unfairly" treated with promises of change (and hope).

I've seen growth in the quality of academics, facilities, alumni support, and national recognition for Ga Southern over the last 30 years. We can and will continue that growth and strive to improve - We Will NEVER be an equal to UGA or Tech so measuring ourselves against them is ridiculous.

I think I get why ULL folks want to be rebranded, but I see it as a Roy Barnes-type gimmick. ULL's graduate programs are no where near LSU's and are about the same as ULM's.

What is the argument in Lafayette that ULL should be UL instead of SE, NW, ULM, McNeese, Nicholls, Grambling, or NO?

Because we have been UL officially before, twice, by a 17-1 vote. Then a judge in Baton Rouge who just so happened to be an lsu gras decide we could not do that. Not because he found a law that said we couldn't but because he couldn't find a law that said we could. We are the 2nd largest university in the state only behind lsu. Those are a couple reasons that would be why we would want to change our name but we aren't trying to change our official name. Stop being blinding by blabbering idiots on here. We simple want to be referred by Louisiana athletically. Just like the university of Mississippi likes to be referred to as ole miss, or Louisiana tech university wants to be referred to as LA Tech for athletics. ULM tried to be branded as Louisiana and have up and went with ULM. They had helmets and uniforms with "Louisiana" on them and we didn't say a word. Funny how some ulm fans claim what we are doing is illegal yet they did it also and failed/gave up/ went in a different direction. It's an athletic brand, we aren't trying to change our name.

A good friend and co-worker who is also a grad student at GS is a native of the Lafayette area and attended Northwestern St and ULL. He says "UL" all the time and isn't really a die-hard fan so it tells me that people in the area think of the school that way (like people in South Ga call us GSU).

Outside of the market footprint, how do people in the state refer to the school?

Do schools in the UL System other than ULM have an issue with the UL branding?

The state Louisiana is a unique situation. In almost all states the flagship state school is simply called the state name with university of attached i.e. University of Georgia, university of Florida, University of Arkansas, University of Alabama, University of Tennessee, Texas, Kentucky, Etc etc. Non flagship schools use the State nomenclature. Georgia State, Tennessee St, South Carolina St, Kentucky St, Alabama St, Arkansas St, Texas St etc.

For whatever reason, the flagship in Louisiana is called "Louisiana State". Therefore they will never allow another University in the state to use the "flagship" nomenclature. It is perfectly understandable that LSU would do that.

(12-26-2014 11:00 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  A good friend and co-worker who is also a grad student at GS is a native of the Lafayette area and attended Northwestern St and ULL. He says "UL" all the time and isn't really a die-hard fan so it tells me that people in the area think of the school that way (like people in South Ga call us GSU).

Outside of the market footprint, how do people in the state refer to the school?

Do schools in the UL System other than ULM have an issue with the UL branding?

Latech and mcneese, because they are paranoid haters. Instead worrying about advancing themselves, it's easier to hold others down. None of them have the potential we do because of the oil and gas money in our area. IMO they all have good recognizable brands, none of them want Louisiana as a brand, they are just scared what we can do with it. I'm sure some will deny it immediately after I post it and give you some crap about the spirit of the law or trying to infer flagship. We have never inferred flagship, only one other school besides LSU has ever said the word flagship publicly and it resides in Ruston.

(12-26-2014 11:16 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  The state Louisiana is a unique situation. In almost all states the flagship state school is simply called the state name with university of attached i.e. University of Georgia, university of Florida, University of Arkansas, University of Alabama, University of Tennessee, Texas, Kentucky, Etc etc. Non flagship schools use the State nomenclature. Georgia State, Tennessee St, South Carolina St, Kentucky St, Alabama St, Arkansas St, Texas St etc.

For whatever reason, the flagship in Louisiana is called "Louisiana State". Therefore they will never allow another University in the state to use the "flagship" nomenclature. It is perfectly understandable that LSU would do that.

Ohio is a flagship, doesn't bother ohio state, houston is a flagship... There are a bunch of examples that don't parallel. We are trying to claim anything, except an athletic brand.

(12-26-2014 11:20 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-26-2014 11:16 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  The state Louisiana is a unique situation. In almost all states the flagship state school is simply called the state name with university of attached i.e. University of Georgia, university of Florida, University of Arkansas, University of Alabama, University of Tennessee, Texas, Kentucky, Etc etc. Non flagship schools use the State nomenclature. Georgia State, Tennessee St, South Carolina St, Kentucky St, Alabama St, Arkansas St, Texas St etc.

For whatever reason, the flagship in Louisiana is called "Louisiana State". Therefore they will never allow another University in the state to use the "flagship" nomenclature. It is perfectly understandable that LSU would do that.

Ohio is a flagship, doesn't bother ohio state, houston is a flagship... There are a bunch of examples that don't parallel. We are trying to claim anything, except an athletic brand.

It's probably 90/10 or more where University of______ is the flagship versus _______ State.