(12-31-2014 10:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 10:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  You are still at 2 programs in the last 5 years whose backups have thrown less than ours. Talk about run rabbit run.

Back to try one time to have a logical discussion with you.

A) As has been shown with Oregon, Ohio State, Memphis (in years past), TCU, Ole Miss, ECU, Boston College, etc...backups don't get playing time in real game situations.

That is a fact.

b) I assume you don't like that, since you implied Fuente should have played the backup more. When shown that colleges (and pros) just don't do that, you turned you attention to the "number" of passes the backup took.

So, why does it matter if a backup took 7 passes in two blowout games compared to a backup who took 30 passes in six blowout games during garbage time?

Are you insisting that by getting to chuck a couple balls five times at the end of a 45-7 game the backup will be more "game ready" in the event the starter goes down?

That has to be the case, since we know that part A is the guiding principle most major coaches follow--which is to only give the backup scraps during garbage time.

When you have multiple blowouts, having your backup throw 4 passes in a season does not prepare him in the event of injury; nor does it motivate him to want to stay. Unless you can come up with more numbers, it is proven that our numbers are ridiculously low; in the bottom 1% and our backup is now transferring.

My specific points; both of which make perfect sense.

(12-31-2014 10:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 10:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 10:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  You are still at 2 programs in the last 5 years whose backups have thrown less than ours. Talk about run rabbit run.

Back to try one time to have a logical discussion with you.

A) As has been shown with Oregon, Ohio State, Memphis (in years past), TCU, Ole Miss, ECU, Boston College, etc...backups don't get playing time in real game situations.

That is a fact.

b) I assume you don't like that, since you implied Fuente should have played the backup more. When shown that colleges (and pros) just don't do that, you turned you attention to the "number" of passes the backup took.

So, why does it matter if a backup took 7 passes in two blowout games compared to a backup who took 30 passes in six blowout games during garbage time?

Are you insisting that by getting to chuck a couple balls five times at the end of a 45-7 game the backup will be more "game ready" in the event the starter goes down?

That has to be the case, since we know that part A is the guiding principle most major coaches follow--which is to only give the backup scraps during garbage time.

When you have multiple blowouts, having your backup throw 4 passes in a season does not prepare him in the event of injury; nor does it motivate him to want to stay. Unless you can come up with more numbers, it is proven that our numbers are ridiculously low; in the bottom 1% and our backup is now transferring.

My specific points; both of which make perfect sense.

Mark Sanchez took 7 pass attempts as a Frosh. Did he transfer? Cody Kessler for USC took 2 attempts last year even though the was the odds on starter this year. There was no "giving him run" to "prepare" him. As has been relayed previously, practice is where the experience is gained.

Go look at most major schools and you will see (for the billionth time) that backups don't get pt. Like I noted earlier, Eli Manning, the son of Archie, the recruit that was said to be better than Peyton, the saviour of OM football threw 33 passes in 5 games during garbage time his freshman year. He wasn't given extended play in case Miller was hurt or to ready him to take the reins the next year. That's not how it works.

The backup knows that Lynch is likely entrenched for two more years and that Brady Davis is the real deal. If he stays, he likely gets one chance his senior year to compete with Davis for the job. Or he can transfer now and have three years somewhere else.

QB's transfer at an extremely high rate. Both WVU's starting QB and Bama's backup QB are FSU transfers.

(12-31-2014 11:11 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 10:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 10:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 10:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  You are still at 2 programs in the last 5 years whose backups have thrown less than ours. Talk about run rabbit run.

Back to try one time to have a logical discussion with you.

A) As has been shown with Oregon, Ohio State, Memphis (in years past), TCU, Ole Miss, ECU, Boston College, etc...backups don't get playing time in real game situations.

That is a fact.

b) I assume you don't like that, since you implied Fuente should have played the backup more. When shown that colleges (and pros) just don't do that, you turned you attention to the "number" of passes the backup took.

So, why does it matter if a backup took 7 passes in two blowout games compared to a backup who took 30 passes in six blowout games during garbage time?

Are you insisting that by getting to chuck a couple balls five times at the end of a 45-7 game the backup will be more "game ready" in the event the starter goes down?

That has to be the case, since we know that part A is the guiding principle most major coaches follow--which is to only give the backup scraps during garbage time.

When you have multiple blowouts, having your backup throw 4 passes in a season does not prepare him in the event of injury; nor does it motivate him to want to stay. Unless you can come up with more numbers, it is proven that our numbers are ridiculously low; in the bottom 1% and our backup is now transferring.

My specific points; both of which make perfect sense.

Mark Sanchez took 7 pass attempts as a Frosh. Did he transfer? Cody Kessler for USC took 2 attempts last year even though the was the odds on starter this year. There was no "giving him run" to "prepare" him. As has been relayed previously, practice is where the experience is gained.

Go look at most major schools and you will see (for the billionth time) that backups don't get pt. Like I noted earlier, Eli Manning, the son of Archie, the recruit that was said to be better than Peyton, the saviour of OM football threw 33 passes in 5 games during garbage time his freshman year. He wasn't given extended play in case Miller was hurt or to ready him to take the reins the next year. That's not how it works.

The backup knows that Lynch is likely entrenched for two more years and that Brady Davis is the real deal. If he stays, he likely gets one chance his senior year to compete with Davis for the job. Or he can transfer now and have three years somewhere else.

QB's transfer at an extremely high rate. Both WVU's starting QB and Bama's backup QB are FSU transfers.

Not 4 passes a year, and 11 passes a year low. USC's quarterbacks threw 42 and 114 passes around the year you are talking about. Quite different from 4 and 7. You can't seem to get that into your head.

Sanchez was the #1 rated QB in HS and the #7 overall player in the class. He threw 7 passes his frosh year. Even someone that good that would be the future of the USC offense only played mop up minutes. And that was when the guy he played behind was a senior.

You don't post much about football, and I see why. If Memphis' hockey team needs analysis, I will defer to you on that. But it seems you should stay away from football analysis.

Deal?

(12-31-2014 11:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Sanchez was the #1 rated QB in HS and the #7 overall player in the class. He threw 7 passes his frosh year. Even someone that good that would be the future of the USC offense only played mop up minutes. And that was when the guy he played behind was a senior.

You don't post much about football, and I see why. If Memphis' hockey team needs analysis, I will defer to you on that. But it seems you should stay away from football analysis.

Deal?

Well for starters, I'm right, unlike your nonsense with Iverson and now Shaq.

I will make a deal with you. I won't make football posts if you don't make basketball posts. I won't do it as a concession. I will agree to it because it will make the board a better place. No more constant trashing of Pastner, no more tendonitis garbage, no more defending Doug Gottlieb and slamming Geron Johnson.

Deal?

(12-31-2014 11:58 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 11:53 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Sanchez was the #1 rated QB in HS and the #7 overall player in the class. He threw 7 passes his frosh year. Even someone that good that would be the future of the USC offense only played mop up minutes. And that was when the guy he played behind was a senior.

You don't post much about football, and I see why. If Memphis' hockey team needs analysis, I will defer to you on that. But it seems you should stay away from football analysis.

Deal?

Well for starters, I'm right, unlike your nonsense with Iverson and now Shaq.

I will make a deal with you. I won't make football posts if you don't make basketball posts. I won't do it as a concession. I will agree to it because it will make the board a better place. No more constant trashing of Pastner, no more tendonitis garbage, no more defending Doug Gottlieb and slamming Geron Johnson.

Deal?

Happy Canadian New Year.

(12-31-2014 10:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 10:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 10:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  You are still at 2 programs in the last 5 years whose backups have thrown less than ours. Talk about run rabbit run.

Back to try one time to have a logical discussion with you.

A) As has been shown with Oregon, Ohio State, Memphis (in years past), TCU, Ole Miss, ECU, Boston College, etc...backups don't get playing time in real game situations.

That is a fact.

b) I assume you don't like that, since you implied Fuente should have played the backup more. When shown that colleges (and pros) just don't do that, you turned you attention to the "number" of passes the backup took.

So, why does it matter if a backup took 7 passes in two blowout games compared to a backup who took 30 passes in six blowout games during garbage time?

Are you insisting that by getting to chuck a couple balls five times at the end of a 45-7 game the backup will be more "game ready" in the event the starter goes down?

That has to be the case, since we know that part A is the guiding principle most major coaches follow--which is to only give the backup scraps during garbage time.

When you have multiple blowouts, having your backup throw 4 passes in a season does not prepare him in the event of injury; nor does it motivate him to want to stay. Unless you can come up with more numbers, it is proven that our numbers are ridiculously low; in the bottom 1% and our backup is now transferring.

My specific points; both of which make perfect sense.

The sad thing you don't understand about football, especially for a QB is that practice and film study is 10 times more important than game time. If the backup is getting 0 reps in practice then yes you have a point...But I am sure that is not happening

The above reason is why your argument of the # of pass attempts in a game is a meaningful statistic. In your warped mind Fuente should put his backup in and let him throw the ball when up 30...Is that really sportsmanlike. Like most coaches when the backup gets in the game in a blowout he hands the ball off...Get me the stats for the # of SNAPS.

And your argument that letting a backup pass the ball in garbage time is going to motivate him to stay is laughable.

I finally figured it out.... back to the OP and point of the thread, the reason for our success this season IS the fact the backup didn't get many snaps.[/align]

(12-31-2014 01:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 10:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 10:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 10:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  You are still at 2 programs in the last 5 years whose backups have thrown less than ours. Talk about run rabbit run.

Back to try one time to have a logical discussion with you.

A) As has been shown with Oregon, Ohio State, Memphis (in years past), TCU, Ole Miss, ECU, Boston College, etc...backups don't get playing time in real game situations.

That is a fact.

b) I assume you don't like that, since you implied Fuente should have played the backup more. When shown that colleges (and pros) just don't do that, you turned you attention to the "number" of passes the backup took.

So, why does it matter if a backup took 7 passes in two blowout games compared to a backup who took 30 passes in six blowout games during garbage time?

Are you insisting that by getting to chuck a couple balls five times at the end of a 45-7 game the backup will be more "game ready" in the event the starter goes down?

That has to be the case, since we know that part A is the guiding principle most major coaches follow--which is to only give the backup scraps during garbage time.

When you have multiple blowouts, having your backup throw 4 passes in a season does not prepare him in the event of injury; nor does it motivate him to want to stay. Unless you can come up with more numbers, it is proven that our numbers are ridiculously low; in the bottom 1% and our backup is now transferring.

My specific points; both of which make perfect sense.

The sad thing you don't understand about football, especially for a QB is that practice and film study is 10 times more important than game time. If the backup is getting 0 reps in practice then yes you have a point...But I am sure that is not happening

The above reason is why your argument of the # of pass attempts in a game is a meaningful statistic. In your warped mind Fuente should put his backup in and let him throw the ball when up 30...Is that really sportsmanlike. Like most coaches when the backup gets in the game in a blowout he hands the ball off...Get me the stats for the # of SNAPS.

And your argument that letting a backup pass the ball in garbage time is going to motivate him to stay is laughable.

Because 11 passes in 2 years will motivate them. That is laughable.

(12-31-2014 10:50 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  I finally figured it out.... back to the OP and point of the thread, the reason for our success this season IS the fact the backup didn't get many snaps.[/align]

Wrong. As I pointed out earlier, the key to the Tigers' success is that Fuente doesn't pay any attention to the bozos on this board.

(12-31-2014 11:02 PM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 10:50 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  I finally figured it out.... back to the OP and point of the thread, the reason for our success this season IS the fact the backup didn't get many snaps.[/align]

Wrong. As I pointed out earlier, the key to the Tigers' success is that Fuente doesn't pay any attention to the bozos on this board.

But.at least he looped the ends!!

(12-31-2014 10:59 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 01:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 10:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 10:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 10:36 AM)Stammers Wrote:  You are still at 2 programs in the last 5 years whose backups have thrown less than ours. Talk about run rabbit run.

Back to try one time to have a logical discussion with you.

A) As has been shown with Oregon, Ohio State, Memphis (in years past), TCU, Ole Miss, ECU, Boston College, etc...backups don't get playing time in real game situations.

That is a fact.

b) I assume you don't like that, since you implied Fuente should have played the backup more. When shown that colleges (and pros) just don't do that, you turned you attention to the "number" of passes the backup took.

So, why does it matter if a backup took 7 passes in two blowout games compared to a backup who took 30 passes in six blowout games during garbage time?

Are you insisting that by getting to chuck a couple balls five times at the end of a 45-7 game the backup will be more "game ready" in the event the starter goes down?

That has to be the case, since we know that part A is the guiding principle most major coaches follow--which is to only give the backup scraps during garbage time.

When you have multiple blowouts, having your backup throw 4 passes in a season does not prepare him in the event of injury; nor does it motivate him to want to stay. Unless you can come up with more numbers, it is proven that our numbers are ridiculously low; in the bottom 1% and our backup is now transferring.

My specific points; both of which make perfect sense.

The sad thing you don't understand about football, especially for a QB is that practice and film study is 10 times more important than game time. If the backup is getting 0 reps in practice then yes you have a point...But I am sure that is not happening

The above reason is why your argument of the # of pass attempts in a game is a meaningful statistic. In your warped mind Fuente should put his backup in and let him throw the ball when up 30...Is that really sportsmanlike. Like most coaches when the backup gets in the game in a blowout he hands the ball off...Get me the stats for the # of SNAPS.

And your argument that letting a backup pass the ball in garbage time is going to motivate him to stay is laughable.

Because 11 passes in 2 years will motivate them. That is laughable.

Oregon up 59 - 20 2nd string QB has been in the game essentially the entire 4th Quarter and did not throw 1 pass...I guess Stammering Stammers is smarter than most coaches in the US. Because according to Stammers the backup QB should throw passes to keep him motivated and happy.

The thing with Stammers is he probably has never participated in a football practice, watched film with a coaching staff or done anything else related to understanding this conversation...Everything is an assumption with him, making it up in his mind as he goes

How long will this thread last?