(12-31-2014 03:43 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  The problem is that we have become used to world-beater QBs like Harnish and Lynch, and people are expecting the same from a sophomore QB who is learning. This expectation is not fair to Hare. Will he be as good as his predecessors? Who knows? But he will get better. Give the kid a chance.

I'm sorry but I think the sophomore label is just an excuse. Nearly half of the QB (21 of 54) with better qb ratings are freshmen or sophomores including QbS from WMU. Cmu. Toledo. (Their second string qb).

But let's get back to the point of the thread. Whether or not you think hare is the qb for the future or not , losing a three star red shirt freshman is a loss and can't be glazed over with a shrug

(12-31-2014 04:39 PM)houstonhuskie Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 03:43 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  The problem is that we have become used to world-beater QBs like Harnish and Lynch, and people are expecting the same from a sophomore QB who is learning. This expectation is not fair to Hare. Will he be as good as his predecessors? Who knows? But he will get better. Give the kid a chance.

I'm sorry but I think the sophomore label is just an excuse. Nearly half of the QB (21 of 54) with better qb ratings are freshmen or sophomores including QbS from WMU. Cmu. Toledo. (Their second string qb).

But let's get back to the point of the thread. Whether or not you think hare is the qb for the future or not , losing a three star red shirt freshman is a loss and can't be glazed over with a shrug

EMU has a 4 star QB. He got beat out of his position by a high 2-star recruit. Please stop acting like stars matter.

Some players can step in and be world beaters as a frosh or soph. Terrell was pretty awful last year and had a better year this year, but Hare still beat him. Chandler struggled his soph. Year and Kill gave Grady every opportunity to beat him out. Point is grass is always greener on the other side. Our lawn looks pretty good and it's still a work in progress.

(12-31-2014 04:48 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 04:39 PM)houstonhuskie Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 03:43 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  The problem is that we have become used to world-beater QBs like Harnish and Lynch, and people are expecting the same from a sophomore QB who is learning. This expectation is not fair to Hare. Will he be as good as his predecessors? Who knows? But he will get better. Give the kid a chance.

I'm sorry but I think the sophomore label is just an excuse. Nearly half of the QB (21 of 54) with better qb ratings are freshmen or sophomores including QbS from WMU. Cmu. Toledo. (Their second string qb).

But let's get back to the point of the thread. Whether or not you think hare is the qb for the future or not , losing a three star red shirt freshman is a loss and can't be glazed over with a shrug

EMU has a 4 star QB. He got beat out of his position by a high 2-star recruit. Please stop acting like stars matter.

Please. I am annoyed with this argument. Stars DO matter. No they are no guarantees. They are a subjective evaluation at a given moment. But this board would wet themselves if we landed a few 4 star recruits. To say stars don't matter is akin to saying big boobs don't matter. (Only those without ever make that argument)

Stars and size do not matter if you don't have it. They do matter if you have it...

Somebody name me a 3 star recruit or better that has panned out.

NIUs best college players and NFL players are all 2-star are worse.

Please see Turner, Wolfe, English, Spann, Free, Harnish, Hurd, Moore, etc. these are just recent players. You know players in the pre success area weren't big time recruits.

(12-31-2014 05:24 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Somebody name me a 3 star recruit or better that has panned out.

Duecee Turner, Perez Ford, and Tyler Wedel are just a few...

(12-31-2014 05:39 PM)timxlydon Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 05:24 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Somebody name me a 3 star recruit or better that has panned out.

Duecee Turner, Perez Ford, and Tyler Wedel are just a few...

Since '09 per rivals:

Chris Smith
Jamaal Bass
Da'ron Brown
Dechane Durante
Jasmin Hopkins
Cameron Stingily (albeit at a different position)
Jason Meehan
Andrew Ness
Ken Bishop

And the aforementioned Ducee and Ford. Wedel was only a 2* FWIW.

Looking at 247 sports evaluations for the same period, in addition to the ones listed above, they have the following as 3*:
Perez Ashford
Jordan Lynch
Jared Volk
Joel Bouagnon
Jordan Huff

(12-31-2014 04:39 PM)houstonhuskie Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 03:43 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  The problem is that we have become used to world-beater QBs like Harnish and Lynch, and people are expecting the same from a sophomore QB who is learning. This expectation is not fair to Hare. Will he be as good as his predecessors? Who knows? But he will get better. Give the kid a chance.

I'm sorry but I think the sophomore label is just an excuse. Nearly half of the QB (21 of 54) with better qb ratings are freshmen or sophomores including QbS from WMU. Cmu. Toledo. (Their second string qb).

But let's get back to the point of the thread. Whether or not you think hare is the qb for the future or not , losing a three star red shirt freshman is a loss and can't be glazed over with a shrug

With the exception of the Toledo QB, both Terrell and Rush started in 2013 for their teams and had full off-seasons as the #1 to improve.

(12-31-2014 05:39 PM)timxlydon Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 05:24 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Somebody name me a 3 star recruit or better that has panned out.

Duecee Turner, Perez Ford, and Tyler Wedel are just a few...

I'll give you Turner and Ford. Both have been GOOD players and very productive but not great.

Wedel was solid but only punted for two years. His first year was so so, this year was awesome.

But none of these guys are world beaters in my opinion. And actually both guys besides Weddl are playing out of their HS positions.

(12-31-2014 05:43 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 05:39 PM)timxlydon Wrote:  

(12-31-2014 05:24 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  Somebody name me a 3 star recruit or better that has panned out.

Duecee Turner, Perez Ford, and Tyler Wedel are just a few...

Since '09 per rivals:

Chris Smith
Jamaal Bass
Da'ron Brown
Dechane Durante
Jasmin Hopkins
Cameron Stingily (albeit at a different position)
Jason Meehan
Andrew Ness
Ken Bishop

And the aforementioned Ducee and Ford. Wedel was only a 2* FWIW.

Looking at 247 sports evaluations for the same period, in addition to the ones listed above, they have the following as 3*:
Perez Ashford
Jordan Lynch
Jared Volk
Joel Bouagnon
Jordan Huff

These are more than I thought. I thought Bishop and Hopkins were, most of the others I thought were 2 stars.

I guess my point was, NIU has had way more 2 stars or worse be 1st team all conference than 3 stars. Fit has been NIUs best recruiter not the star.

Evaluating HS talent is not an exact science. There are the measurables; size, speed, strength and quickness. There is performance (statistics) but this can vary based on competition, quality of team (teammates) and coaching scheme. There is also character, which on a 17 year old is difficult to access, and subject to change. The "experts" tend to use film as the primary means of evaluation. Root had a 24/7 score of 83, Ingold has a 79, Santacaterina has a 78, not a huge differential. I believe 80 qualifies a player as a 3 star.
I've watched the Hudl highlight films of each, plus Hare and Maddie. All are very impressive. Depending on what your looking for, any one can be rated higher than the others. So what's the conclusion? Look for a player with the skill sets that compliment the system; has some upside left; shows some level of responsibility, leadership and dedication; and use the various rating services as a viable resource, perhaps not a bible, to recruit the best players. NIU has shown some real effectiveness in the area of recruiting in recent years.

Root is walking on to Kansas State to play safety.

Pretty amazing that Aaron Rodgers 2.0 couldn't find a scholarship or a chance to play QB anywhere else.

In all seriousness, as I expected he likely wanted to be closer to home. Wish him nothing but the best.

Maybe Root found himself behind Ryan Graham and felt it was no sure thing he would get on the field at QB here. We can hope.

(01-21-2015 02:25 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Maybe Root found himself behind Ryan Graham and felt it was no sure thing he would get on the field at QB here. We can hope.

Maybe Ryan Graham is better than we think and we might not need to worry as much.

I'm holding on to hope for Ryan Graham. You never know until you know.

I can't imagine it had anything to with performance or how he percieved his performance. He went through one fall practice and there was a 3 way QB battle going on. I'm sure Hare/McIntosh/Maddie got damn near every single rep in team and 7 on 7's. Unless he was just horrific and knew he couldn't play (doubtful), he most likely was just home sick.

(01-21-2015 02:34 PM)timxlydon Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 02:25 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Maybe Root found himself behind Ryan Graham and felt it was no sure thing he would get on the field at QB here. We can hope.

Maybe Ryan Graham is better than we think and we might not need to worry as much.

He was the work team member of the year on offense...don't know if that means anything or not.