The last thing this board needs is another Pastner thrashing thread. So, I am reluctantly starting this thread.

A Few points:
- I am not giving up on the season of this yr nor am I even giving up on josh.
But, I am MOST DISAPPOINTED IN some of our game performances.
- The large # of newcomers making success difficult has at least some degree of validity.
-Pookie and Markel have had one redshirt year with the team. Iverson played sparingly last yr. He has a small amount of div 1 experience.




Maybe, my biggest disappoinment is the inconsistent and sometimes poor play of the above 3 players. Now, all three have shown us some flashes of good play. Pookie may be developing into a good, tough to defend PG right before our eyes. Markel was showing some good play before the injury. Iverson has made some SENSATIONAL plays on the court. But also Iverson has displayed some horrible body language at times.


Discussion ?s:

-Why have the red shirt years of the 2 guards not translated into better play (overall).? Havent they had a lot of practice time to learn our system?

_ Iverson, is he really a head case or am I misinterpreting?

I would love some good discussion and analysis of these points.
Pastner bashers- please bring something more insightful than, " Pastner sucks. He is overpaid. yada yada"

Due to NCAA rules Pookie was not allowed to practice last year.

Pookie is finally NOT getting yanked after one bad pass or missed shot. Iverson still gets benched too much imo. Yesterday early in the second half Nick got caught watching the ball and gave up a layup. Josh immediately got Shaq up to go in for him. Nick then scored on the other end. Josh then told Shaq to go in for Iverson instead. He didn't play again until late in the game. The other thing that drives me nuts is Burrell didn't start the second half because he had 3 fouls. That's fine but he never got back in until the 9 minute mark. It'd like he goes from one extreme with the other with his substitution patterns. That's my biggest problem with him from day one. He's just too much of a micro manager.

Markel has been dealing with various injuries, some serious for the past 2 years

I don't get the complaints about Pookie, he never played a minute of D1 ball up until this year and within 10 games, he looks like he's adjusting finely to the game and is going to be a stud. Probably is going to be one of our best pg in a long line of outstanding PGs in Tiger history

Markel's only fault was the coach playing him out of position. I think someone with knowledge said that he had "never played point guard in his life", yet he was starting there a few games for us.

(12-21-2014 10:35 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  The last thing this board needs is another Pastner thrashing thread. So, I am reluctantly starting this thread.

A Few points:
- I am not giving up on the season of this yr nor am I even giving up on josh.
But, I am MOST DISAPPOINTED IN some of our game performances.
- The large # of newcomers making success difficult has at least some degree of validity.
-Pookie and Markel have had one redshirt year with the team. Iverson played sparingly last yr. He has a small amount of div 1 experience.




Maybe, my biggest disappoinment is the inconsistent and sometimes poor play of the above 3 players. Now, all three have shown us some flashes of good play. Pookie may be developing into a good, tough to defend PG right before our eyes. Markel was showing some good play before the injury. Iverson has made some SENSATIONAL plays on the court. But also Iverson has displayed some horrible body language at times.


Discussion ?s:

-Why have the red shirt years of the 2 guards not translated into better play (overall).? Havent they had a lot of practice time to learn our system?

_ Iverson, is he really a head case or am I misinterpreting?

I would love some good discussion and analysis of these points.
Pastner bashers- please bring something more insightful than, " Pastner sucks. He is overpaid. yada yada"

(12-21-2014 10:54 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Markel has been dealing with various injuries, some serious for the past 2 years

I don't get the complaints about Pookie, he never played a minute of D1 ball up until this year and within 10 games, he looks like he's adjusting finely to the game and is going to be a stud. Probably is going to be one of our best pg in a long line of outstanding PGs in Tiger history

14/7/6/2/2 in 32 minutes of his tenth game of Div I. That is outstanding.

His turnovers need to get reduced, as do most point guards early in their Div 1 career. Anyone remember Andre Turner's nickname in his first year?

Iverson has Handles/Vision/ Toughness/ Best athlete on the team, a matchup nightmare, and just needs to play in order to find his rythem, same as Pookie....Same goes with Burrell....Josh has a poor feel for the game, and lineups....Iverson shows you the talent, but is in Josh's Doghouse so therefore does get many minutes...See Iverson knows his game is made for the 2/3 spot with some 4 mixed in....He has better handles on the wing vs Nick/ Markel/ and Hawkins....University of Memphis, Delta's Team....The World Is Ours Memphis...

Pookie only had 3 turns yesterday. All were in the 1st half. 2 of them were within the 1st 2 or 3 minutes of the game and 1 of those was when he tipped a ball away from ORU and just didn't have enough room on the sideline to complete the steal. He's had 20 asst/ 10 turns since becoming the starter and coincidentally we're 3-0 and avg 80 pts a game albeit vs some lackluster competition.

He's gonna be a good one.

(12-21-2014 10:54 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Pookie is finally NOT getting yanked after one bad pass or missed shot. Iverson still gets benched too much imo. Yesterday early in the second half Nick got caught watching the ball and gave up a layup. Josh immediately got Shaq up to go in for him. Nick then scored on the other end. Josh then told Shaq to go in for Iverson instead. He didn't play again until late in the game. The other thing that drives me nuts is Burrell didn't start the second half because he had 3 fouls. That's fine but he never got back in until the 9 minute mark. It'd like he goes from one extreme with the other with his substitution patterns. That's my biggest problem with him from day one. He's just too much of a micro manager.

And when Burrell got his second, he should have been taken out so as not to get his 3rd in the first half. When he picked up the 3rd, it was on Josh. Ridiculous.

(12-21-2014 11:36 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-21-2014 10:54 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Pookie is finally NOT getting yanked after one bad pass or missed shot. Iverson still gets benched too much imo. Yesterday early in the second half Nick got caught watching the ball and gave up a layup. Josh immediately got Shaq up to go in for him. Nick then scored on the other end. Josh then told Shaq to go in for Iverson instead. He didn't play again until late in the game. The other thing that drives me nuts is Burrell didn't start the second half because he had 3 fouls. That's fine but he never got back in until the 9 minute mark. It'd like he goes from one extreme with the other with his substitution patterns. That's my biggest problem with him from day one. He's just too much of a micro manager.

And when Burrell got his second, he should have been taken out so as not to get his 3rd in the first half. When he picked up the 3rd, it was on Josh. Ridiculous.

It's just a reactive pattern with no real plan for what he's doing. When he sees the substitution he makes isn't doing what he thought he's quick to make another, and another, and so on.

There's a deeper underlying problem in there somewhere either on the coach or players, or both.

(12-21-2014 11:39 AM)Malachi Wrote:  

(12-21-2014 11:36 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-21-2014 10:54 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Pookie is finally NOT getting yanked after one bad pass or missed shot. Iverson still gets benched too much imo. Yesterday early in the second half Nick got caught watching the ball and gave up a layup. Josh immediately got Shaq up to go in for him. Nick then scored on the other end. Josh then told Shaq to go in for Iverson instead. He didn't play again until late in the game. The other thing that drives me nuts is Burrell didn't start the second half because he had 3 fouls. That's fine but he never got back in until the 9 minute mark. It'd like he goes from one extreme with the other with his substitution patterns. That's my biggest problem with him from day one. He's just too much of a micro manager.

And when Burrell got his second, he should have been taken out so as not to get his 3rd in the first half. When he picked up the 3rd, it was on Josh. Ridiculous.

It's just a reactive pattern with no real plan for what he's doing. When he sees the substitution he makes isn't doing what he thought he's quick to make another, and another, and so on.

There's a deeper underlying problem in there somewhere either on the coach or players, or both.

It's not on the players at all. Not in the least.

(12-21-2014 11:31 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  Pookie only had 3 turns yesterday. All were in the 1st half. 2 of them were within the 1st 2 or 3 minutes of the game and 1 of those was when he tipped a ball away from ORU and just didn't have enough room on the sideline to complete the steal. He's had 20 asst/ 10 turns since becoming the starter and coincidentally we're 3-0 and avg 80 pts a game albeit vs some lackluster competition.

He's gonna be a good one.

^THIS

This team still has some issues folks but some need to quit "looking" for some issues that isn't there.

(12-21-2014 10:54 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Pookie is finally NOT getting yanked after one bad pass or missed shot. Iverson still gets benched too much imo. Yesterday early in the second half Nick got caught watching the ball and gave up a layup. Josh immediately got Shaq up to go in for him. Nick then scored on the other end. Josh then told Shaq to go in for Iverson instead. He didn't play again until late in the game. The other thing that drives me nuts is Burrell didn't start the second half because he had 3 fouls. That's fine but he never got back in until the 9 minute mark. It'd like he goes from one extreme with the other with his substitution patterns. That's my biggest problem with him from day one. He's just too much of a micro manager.

+BIGXII !!! Good stuff BB...Those inconsistencies are insanely chaotic as no one can be on the same page.....you find out what players can do in practice and substitution patterns are predicated on what's needed at a particular point or aspect that you want to capitalize on or take advantage of.....But these schizophrenic(can't believe I spelled that right) sub patterns are insane at best....and can cause our team to lose any momentum that it has as players start to see that it is chaotic....POOKIE; Burrell; Ivo; King; Austin and even Hawkins with DC...these guys could be stars if they were allowed to build and grow confidence from a competent coach ......

(12-21-2014 11:45 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  And some folks already found what they want it to be, so they make everything that happens fit the conclusion.

I ain't got no conclusions to things that haven't happened yet. It's more fun that way.

That really goes both ways, right. M

Hence discussion on a message board.

(12-21-2014 11:42 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(12-21-2014 11:31 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  Pookie only had 3 turns yesterday. All were in the 1st half. 2 of them were within the 1st 2 or 3 minutes of the game and 1 of those was when he tipped a ball away from ORU and just didn't have enough room on the sideline to complete the steal. He's had 20 asst/ 10 turns since becoming the starter and coincidentally we're 3-0 and avg 80 pts a game albeit vs some lackluster competition.

He's gonna be a good one.

^THIS

This team still has some issues folks but some need to quit "looking" for some issues that isn't there.

And some folks already found what they want it to be, so they make everything that happens fit the conclusion.

I ain't got no conclusions to things that haven't happened yet. It's more fun that way.

(12-21-2014 11:48 AM)Malachi Wrote:  

(12-21-2014 11:45 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  And some folks already found what they want it to be, so they make everything that happens fit the conclusion.

I ain't got no conclusions to things that haven't happened yet. It's more fun that way.

That really goes both ways, right. M

Hence discussion on a message board.

Not just both. There's all sorts of ways it goes.

(12-21-2014 11:36 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-21-2014 10:54 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Pookie is finally NOT getting yanked after one bad pass or missed shot. Iverson still gets benched too much imo. Yesterday early in the second half Nick got caught watching the ball and gave up a layup. Josh immediately got Shaq up to go in for him. Nick then scored on the other end. Josh then told Shaq to go in for Iverson instead. He didn't play again until late in the game. The other thing that drives me nuts is Burrell didn't start the second half because he had 3 fouls. That's fine but he never got back in until the 9 minute mark. It'd like he goes from one extreme with the other with his substitution patterns. That's my biggest problem with him from day one. He's just too much of a micro manager.

And when Burrell got his second, he should have been taken out so as not to get his 3rd in the first half. When he picked up the 3rd, it was on Josh. Ridiculous.

Agree... that was a head scratcher.

(12-21-2014 10:58 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Markel's only fault was the coach playing him out of position. I think someone with knowledge said that he had "never played point guard in his life", yet he was starting there a few games for us.

Quotes, articles, comments, etc, etc from pre season:

MARKEL CRAWFORD
Markel has a complete game, great defender, passer and more a scorer than a shooter.
Has always been a great teammate.


While most of Memphis’ guards are new to coach Josh Pastner’s system, Crawford spent much of last year running the scout team in practices. Pastner believes the 6-4, 198-pound Crawford will play both guard positions this season, but Crawford’s experience might give him a leg up on earning the starting point guard spot.

“The thing that he has as a comfort level is he knows the terminology. He’s been through it every day in practice,” Pastner said. “What he doesn’t have is he hasn’t played in games for two years pretty much. I think — knock on wood — if he stays healthy, he can a big-time player for us. He can be a lockdown defender and he can play either guard spot.

“Markel looks as athletic, if not more so, than he’s been. He’s got a high IQ of the game. He’s very cerebral. He plays hard. He’s a lot like (former Tigers guard) Chris Crawford in his IQ of the game.”

Going against the Tigers’ veteran guards in practice last season convinced Crawford that he could handle point guard. But the job won’t be handed to him with fellow redshirt freshman guard Pookie Powell also hoping to earn the starting spot. Crawford said he welcomes the competition.

“Between the lines, it’s business,” Crawford said. “Nobody has a superstar role. Everybody is just playing to get better and win, so there’s no egos.

“As far as playing against great guys like (former Tigers) Joe (Jackson), Chris and Geron (Johnson), it made me a better player as far as the system and seeing how everything should work. I think it helped a lot. I think my role will be getting everybody involved and being a leader on the floor.”

Only took nine OP before constructive and even critical commentary turned into the same old reactionary bashing...those doing the bashing soon to be whining about me making the comment about it.

Remember, everything Paster has done is ridiculous, the players are faultless, and another coach would be undefeated now...evidenced by...er...really very little.

What a miserable bunch.

(12-21-2014 10:54 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Pookie is finally NOT getting yanked after one bad pass or missed shot. Iverson still gets benched too much imo. Yesterday early in the second half Nick got caught watching the ball and gave up a layup. Josh immediately got Shaq up to go in for him. Nick then scored on the other end. Josh then told Shaq to go in for Iverson instead. He didn't play again until late in the game. The other thing that drives me nuts is Burrell didn't start the second half because he had 3 fouls. That's fine but he never got back in until the 9 minute mark. It'd like he goes from one extreme with the other with his substitution patterns. That's my biggest problem with him from day one. He's just too much of a micro manager.

Pookie was never being yanked for a bad pass or missed shot. He was being yanked for not playing with in the system. Playing out of control. It was not the bad pass, but the stupid pass that got him yanked.

Be prepared this year to see Cunningham on the floor as the PG and Pookie as the off guard and go to scorer. When both learn the system Cunningham has more quickness needed at the point and can get to the basket better.