http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2...ck_be.html

Wow. WMU has now changed the game. Our Matt Campbell is only making 500,000 a year. Fleck is making nearly a million, that's the type of money that will keep MAC coaches in the MAC, right?


We need to watch out, Western Michigan is on the rise....

The dude is only 9-15 in two seasons for crying out loud!

Although, "the seven-win turnaround this season is the best single-season improvement in MAC history and was tied with Air Force for the best in the country."


Toledo needs to step up their game.

I don't think he merits it.

Obviously this compensation comes with a lot of high expectations.

End of comment.

(12-18-2014 09:28 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  Toledo needs to step up their game.

If you mean offer Campbell a comparable raise, I would rather see UT fire him and pay his buyout first.

(12-18-2014 09:51 PM)owen Wrote:  I don't think he merits it.

Obviously this compensation comes with a lot of high expectations.

End of comment.

The initial hiring of Fleck was also a big gamble with high expectations. He was never more than a position coach before being hired at WMU.

Sure. Dropping the biggest game of the year for a share of the conf championship after being up by 3 scores deserves a big raise. Banghead

(12-18-2014 09:24 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  that's the type of money that will keep MAC coaches in the MAC, right?

We need to watch out, Western Michigan is on the rise....

It is a lot of money (to most us at least, but probably not that much to star athletes, college coaches, actors,recording stars, CEOs or investment bankers. It may keep them from jumping at the first "intermediate" job offered to them (like Urban Myer to Utah, for example), but when the really BIG boys come knocking with the really BIG $$$$ they will continue to be gone in the bat of eye. I saw UM is supposedly trying to tempt Harbaugh with an offer of $48 million over 8 eight years. Multimillionaire per year salaries are on a rapid rise in the power conferences and while I don't think this trend can continue indefinitely, I am relatively certain that without the BIG TV $$$$$ and merchandising $$$$ the big boys get, the non-power conferences will never be able to compete and will be doomed if they even try to keep up.

I agree WMU is on the rise----they won the MAC BB last year and next year they should be the favorites to win the MACC in FB and probably will if the can just learn to quit making so many mistakes. WMU is a very good school and if they can keep up their athletics and keep building a nice resume , they could be the kind of school that the AAC might look at some day.

They know a guy in the recruiting rankings or something.... A guy who played half of his junior year on jv became a 3 star after WMU picked him up. His recruiting classes are good, but not that good. I expect to still be at the top next year and with WMU at home we could be 6-0 against them this decade.

We need salary increases like these just to keep up with The Sun Belt. Forget the P5.

(12-18-2014 09:53 PM)owen Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 09:28 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  Toledo needs to step up their game.

If you mean offer Campbell a comparable raise, I would rather see UT fire him and pay his buyout first.

I agree 100%. If we are to pay 800k a year to the coach, I'd expect a top 10 ranking, prestigious bowl victory, conference title for at least 2 years in a row before I'm willing to fork over that kind of cash...

Since UT has large debt, a shrinking student base and is in a state losing population, I can't see any big raises. Jacobs may have been willing to throw around a lot of cash he didn't have, be he's gone. Legislators in Columbus are talking about merging portions of schools to save money.

Fleck has no connections to Western. One or two more good years and he'll make three times that much at a low level Big 10 type school (see Beckman).

According to the article, this extra money comes from donors - his base salary is $225,000. If UT wants to do that, without bigger student fees, then OK. UT could raise $300,000 from donors, but what's the end game?

Btw, UT originally chartered 2 student buses to the Bowl game it is now 6.
You can see the improvement in student turnout for the FB games. Its important to University for enrollment and future growth. Those ties that bind mean alot in terms of alums. The ones that grew up in the Ealey days are some of the University's most ardent supporters.

(12-19-2014 08:42 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Btw, UT originally chartered 2 student buses to the Bowl game it is now 6.
You can see the improvement in student turnout for the FB games. Its important to University for enrollment and future growth. Those ties that bind mean alot in terms of alums. The ones that grew up in the Ealey days are some of the University's most ardent supporters.

Great point Boca!

It's great to see the students turning out, but I'm guessing this has to do with filling our ticket allotment. We probably have 5K-10K tickets to sell. Alumni charter was only 100 seats, and not sure how many are filled. We'll probably do another 1,500 in straight up ticket sales for people finding their own way there. Not sure if we've ever filled our ticket quota (even in Detroit), so why not fill up a bunch of busses with students, charge them $25 so they show up and then basically give them a ticket. Fan plan philosophy. Might as well have butts in the seats vs. eating the tickets.

(12-19-2014 12:18 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  They know a guy in the recruiting rankings or something.... A guy who played half of his junior year on jv became a 3 star after WMU picked him up. His recruiting classes are good, but not that good. I expect to still be at the top next year and with WMU at home we could be 6-0 against them this decade.

NIU could potentially say the same thing about them next year as well.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if WMU is listed as the preseason favorite in the MAC next year, but it also wouldn't surprise me if they lose to both Toledo and NIU because they gotta go on the road against both us.

(12-19-2014 08:42 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Btw, UT originally chartered 2 student buses to the Bowl game it is now 6.
You can see the improvement in student turnout for the FB games. Its important to University for enrollment and future growth. Those ties that bind mean alot in terms of alums. The ones that grew up in the Ealey days are some of the University's most ardent supporters.

I visited with AState's AD last night and he was fired up because 800+ students bought/took tickets. Considering typical seating on motor coaches y'all have around 250 students heading to the game, that's a good number even for a game that is closer.

Too many athletic departments won't go the extra mile for the students, but that's because the average AD is at a school for six years. Getting the students engaged is an investment that really takes about 20 years to pay off.

Those kids riding the bus are going to be far more likely to be season ticket holders and donors in the coming years. They will be the ones with UT gear in their office.

Great investment and great response by the student body.

(12-19-2014 10:05 AM)emanoh Wrote:  It's great to see the students turning out, but I'm guessing this has to do with filling our ticket allotment. We probably have 5K-10K tickets to sell. Alumni charter was only 100 seats, and not sure how many are filled. We'll probably do another 1,500 in straight up ticket sales for people finding their own way there. Not sure if we've ever filled our ticket quota (even in Detroit), so why not fill up a bunch of busses with students, charge them $25 so they show up and then basically give them a ticket. Fan plan philosophy. Might as well have butts in the seats vs. eating the tickets.

They're not sending those busses just to put butts in the seat vs. eating the tickets. The buses cost $7,500+. 6 buses x $7,500 = $45,000 minimum for the buses.

Eating those tickets would cost 6 buses [300 students] x $45 = $13,500. [or cheap tickets: 300 students x $15 = $4,500].

So why would UT spend $30,000+, or possibly even $40,000+, just to put butts in the seat vs. eating the tickets?

(12-19-2014 03:02 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Since UT has large debt, a shrinking student base and is in a state losing population, I can't see any big raises. Jacobs may have been willing to throw around a lot of cash he didn't have, be he's gone. Legislators in Columbus are talking about merging portions of schools to save money.

Fleck has no connections to Western. One or two more good years and he'll make three times that much at a low level Big 10 type school (see Beckman).

According to the article, this extra money comes from donors - his base salary is $225,000. If UT wants to do that, without bigger student fees, then OK. UT could raise $300,000 from donors, but what's the end game?

Detroit, not sure where you got your information on UT debt but UT is in fantastic shape financially with one of the smallest debt loads of any university in the state. It has all been part of Dr. Jacobs plan to renovate instead of brand new buildings. Also my understanding is that Campbell, Cullop, and TK are all under a deferred compensation plan with the UT foundation where they receive a good deal of additional money above and beyond their contracts that is supported by donors.

(12-19-2014 12:39 PM)Stpetebeachrocketfan Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 03:02 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Since UT has large debt, a shrinking student base and is in a state losing population, I can't see any big raises. Jacobs may have been willing to throw around a lot of cash he didn't have, be he's gone. Legislators in Columbus are talking about merging portions of schools to save money.

Fleck has no connections to Western. One or two more good years and he'll make three times that much at a low level Big 10 type school (see Beckman).

According to the article, this extra money comes from donors - his base salary is $225,000. If UT wants to do that, without bigger student fees, then OK. UT could raise $300,000 from donors, but what's the end game?

Detroit, not sure where you got your information on UT debt but UT is in fantastic shape financially with one of the smallest debt loads of any university in the state. It has all been part of Dr. Jacobs plan to renovate instead of brand new buildings. Also my understanding is that Campbell, Cullop, and TK are all under a deferred compensation plan with the UT foundation where they receive a good deal of additional money above and beyond their contracts that is supported by donors.

The UT budget shortfall was $30 million just a couple of years ago. There have been cutbacks in staff and faculty and other areas in an attempt to get it under control.

(12-19-2014 12:39 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 10:05 AM)emanoh Wrote:  It's great to see the students turning out, but I'm guessing this has to do with filling our ticket allotment. We probably have 5K-10K tickets to sell. Alumni charter was only 100 seats, and not sure how many are filled. We'll probably do another 1,500 in straight up ticket sales for people finding their own way there. Not sure if we've ever filled our ticket quota (even in Detroit), so why not fill up a bunch of busses with students, charge them $25 so they show up and then basically give them a ticket. Fan plan philosophy. Might as well have butts in the seats vs. eating the tickets.

They're not sending those busses just to put butts in the seat vs. eating the tickets. The buses cost $7,500+. 6 buses x $7,500 = $45,000 minimum for the buses.

Eating those tickets would cost 6 buses [300 students] x $45 = $13,500. [or cheap tickets: 300 students x $15 = $4,500].

So why would UT spend $30,000+, or possibly even $40,000+, just to put butts in the seat vs. eating the tickets?

The University of Toledo Alumni Association is behind the trips. They are footing any bills, not the athletic department. Our Alumni Association is one of the best anywhere!