It's my contention that you can't look at a potential G5 playoff like it is the FCS playoff. I don't believe it would be covered that way or compensated that way.

Think of the real differences. Last year the FCS playoffs averaged 8,012 fans per game. If you look at the teams in G5 that would make the playoffs most years, and the support they have, you are looking at games that would have 35,000, or higher, type crowds. The G5 schools are generally much larger than FCS schools and located in better tv markets, which would mean far better tv ratings.

I believe you could get a very lucrative tv contract for the playoff, one that would be substantially more than the small piece that is currently peeled off by the P5 and thrown to us to split 63 ways.

(12-21-2014 12:54 AM)banker Wrote:  It's my contention that you can't look at a potential G5 playoff like it is the FCS playoff. I don't believe it would be covered that way or compensated that way.

Think of the real differences. Last year the FCS playoffs averaged 8,012 fans per game. If you look at the teams in G5 that would make the playoffs most years, and the support they have, you are looking at games that would have 35,000, or higher, type crowds. The G5 schools are generally much larger than FCS schools and located in better tv markets, which would mean far better tv ratings.

I believe you could get a very lucrative tv contract for the playoff, one that would be substantially more than the small piece that is currently peeled off by the P5 and thrown to us to split 63 ways.

Not a chance. Large TV agreements are wrapped up in bowl games, and other sports agreements. Lower division product will get lower division money.

Even with the D1 distinction, we (all g5 conferences combined) tv packages pay what? Maybe a million per school on average? A lower division would garner much less, even with playoffs. We would never see $300,000 per school from the playoffs. Nor would the regulsr tv deals pay a million per school. It would be far less. And we lose bowl revenue as well.

It would not make financial sense.

We would not have gotten the ESPN plug tonight where they talked about Marshall vs NIU and highlighted our season during the BGSU vs USA game. No one would ever hear of or see Marshall on TV again. Maybe ESPN 3 or ESPNU for our G5 national title game?

Its a losing proposition.

Now who is just speculating? Look at all the bowls espn sponsors. Most of the ones featuring G5 schools have them playing other G5 schools already. There are 10 G5 versus G5 bowls, a 16 team playoff is only 15 games, so you could easily replace one with the other. As far as the price espn would pay for that, I think it could be fairly lucrative because you have a ton of sponsorship opportunities to sell, nationally, regionally and locally.

Espn paid $600,000,000 a year for the college playoff. Just 10% of that would be about $1MM per team.

(12-21-2014 01:24 PM)banker Wrote:  Now who is just speculating? Look at all the bowls espn sponsors. Most of the ones featuring G5 schools have them playing other G5 schools already. There are 10 G5 versus G5 bowls, a 16 team playoff is only 15 games, so you could easily replace one with the other. As far as the price espn would pay for that, I think it could be fairly lucrative because you have a ton of sponsorship opportunities to sell, nationally, regionally and locally.

Espn paid $600,000,000 a year for the college playoff. Just 10% of that would be about $1MM per team.

Speculating? We both are. But i think you are valuing the G5 at a muh higher level than we are valued by TV execs and the general public now.

You said 10%. Our current TV deals, which are the only hing we can reslly compare to get an idea, are much less than that. For instance, big 12 schools receive i think over 25 million each per season in tv revenue. We get 1.15 million. Thats about 4.6% of the p5 value. And that gap is 2 or 2.5% in the mac and sunbelt. Maybe 6% of that value in AAC and mwc.

Tell you what banker, add up all the TV revenue from all p5 conferences and average per school, then do the G5 and averae per school. Then we have our difference in real market value of g5 vs p5 and can intelligently estimate what we would get.

600 million for a playoff, and the G5 gets 300k per school. Thats our value in real world. Representative of the 2%-6% value of p5 vs g5.

Never did really address the false dilemma and my C) option.

And about 10% of that is what you would get if you were the greatest negotiator in the world and the g5 brand value doubled overnight. 1 million a year per team. Half of what we get right now and we are on ESPN 8 "the ocho".

That attendance figure was utter horseshit. There weren't 29k toes in that stadium.

(12-24-2014 10:33 AM)Redbird Ray Wrote:  That attendance figure was utter horseshit. There weren't 29k toes in that stadium.

Lucky if there was half that. About 15K in the stands.

And Banker - you should know better than debate the greatest sports analyst and football strategist of all living times. What are you thinking?

(12-24-2014 10:41 AM)HD76 Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 10:33 AM)Redbird Ray Wrote:  That attendance figure was utter horseshit. There weren't 29k toes in that stadium.

Lucky if there was half that. About 15K in the stands.

And Banker - you should know better than debate the greatest sports analyst and football strategist of all living times. What are you thinking?

Heh.

(12-24-2014 10:41 AM)HD76 Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 10:33 AM)Redbird Ray Wrote:  That attendance figure was utter horseshit. There weren't 29k toes in that stadium.

Lucky if there was half that. About 15K in the stands.

And Banker - you should know better than debate the greatest sports analyst and football strategist of all living times. What are you thinking?

What may have happened is fans bought tickets and then couldnt get reasonably priced airfares close to christmas and then decided not to go or bought tickets to support the school or for collectors keepsakes(they were not expensive).

Also I know some FAU season ticket holders bought tickets with no intention of attending the game. There were 29k tickets sold...so im wondering who bought all the tickets.

(12-20-2014 11:02 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Been very impressed with attendance in the bowls so far. Except the rain soaked Potato Bowl

+1

Newly minted bowls have not disappointed.

(12-24-2014 10:41 AM)HD76 Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 10:33 AM)Redbird Ray Wrote:  That attendance figure was utter horseshit. There weren't 29k toes in that stadium.

Lucky if there was half that. About 15K in the stands.

And Banker - you should know better than debate the greatest sports analyst and football strategist of all living times. What are you thinking?

Point out where I dont have a good point smartass.

The attendance at this bowl further proves the point. This would have been a final 4 g5 matchup and they gave tickets away and coulnt even fill half the stadium.

(12-24-2014 11:15 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 10:41 AM)HD76 Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 10:33 AM)Redbird Ray Wrote:  That attendance figure was utter horseshit. There weren't 29k toes in that stadium.

Lucky if there was half that. About 15K in the stands.

And Banker - you should know better than debate the greatest sports analyst and football strategist of all living times. What are you thinking?

Point out where I dont have a good point smartass.

The attendance at this bowl further proves the point. This would have been a final 4 g5 matchup and they gave tickets away and coulnt even fill half the stadium.

"Never ague with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." George Carlin

(12-24-2014 11:14 AM)SApuro Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 11:02 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Been very impressed with attendance in the bowls so far. Except the rain soaked Potato Bowl

+1

Newly minted bowls have not disappointed.

The Sunbelts Camelia Bowl even looked very good on tv.

(12-24-2014 12:14 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 11:14 AM)SApuro Wrote:  

(12-20-2014 11:02 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Been very impressed with attendance in the bowls so far. Except the rain soaked Potato Bowl

+1

Newly minted bowls have not disappointed.

The Sunbelts Camelia Bowl even looked very good on tv.

South Alabama is 2 hours away from the bowl. It was a home game in a 24k seat stadium.

(12-24-2014 11:55 AM)HD76 Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 11:15 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 10:41 AM)HD76 Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 10:33 AM)Redbird Ray Wrote:  That attendance figure was utter horseshit. There weren't 29k toes in that stadium.

Lucky if there was half that. About 15K in the stands.

And Banker - you should know better than debate the greatest sports analyst and football strategist of all living times. What are you thinking?

Point out where I dont have a good point smartass.

The attendance at this bowl further proves the point. This would have been a final 4 g5 matchup and they gave tickets away and coulnt even fill half the stadium.

"Never ague with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." George Carlin

Thanks for reminding me not to ever discuss anything with some on here. You can spell it out and even offer a fallacy to bankers point of only A or B only (false dilemma) and present a good counterpoint, and there are people that can't comprehend. Of course, one would have to have some kind of education to even know what that means so probably the issue.

(12-19-2014 11:58 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 10:30 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  I was planning on buying tickets at the gate, hope I didn't screw up. Who would of thought this would sellout, I was thinking 22k-25k would be good.

Marshall has a ton of alumni/alums from NC down to Florida. In 2011 when we played in the B'o'B bowl we were 6-6 and very unstable, no one knew how we were going to play. Couple that with playing FIU to Marshall fans that just didn't look like an attractive way to spend money right before Christmas. I still to this day think we out numbered FIU at the game.

This is a different situation. Marshall has a solid team in just about every position and now expects to win every game. Those who have been around the program, it feels like the entire 90s. Marshall is 12-1 playing a team that we know in NIU who is 11-2. This game should be a very good game. I would enjoy a good blowout again, but I just don't see that.

(12-24-2014 09:24 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 11:58 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(12-19-2014 10:30 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  I was planning on buying tickets at the gate, hope I didn't screw up. Who would of thought this would sellout, I was thinking 22k-25k would be good.

Marshall has a ton of alumni/alums from NC down to Florida. In 2011 when we played in the B'o'B bowl we were 6-6 and very unstable, no one knew how we were going to play. Couple that with playing FIU to Marshall fans that just didn't look like an attractive way to spend money right before Christmas. I still to this day think we out numbered FIU at the game.

This is a different situation. Marshall has a solid team in just about every position and now expects to win every game. Those who have been around the program, it feels like the entire 90s. Marshall is 12-1 playing a team that we know in NIU who is 11-2. This game should be a very good game. I would enjoy a good blowout again, but I just don't see that.

All trash talk aside, I don't think any rational person believes there were 29k+ in the seats for the game, clearly there were a lot of corporate tickets sold that wen unused.

(12-24-2014 11:11 AM)voss749 Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 10:41 AM)HD76 Wrote:  

(12-24-2014 10:33 AM)Redbird Ray Wrote:  That attendance figure was utter horseshit. There weren't 29k toes in that stadium.

Lucky if there was half that. About 15K in the stands.

And Banker - you should know better than debate the greatest sports analyst and football strategist of all living times. What are you thinking?

What may have happened is fans bought tickets and then couldnt get reasonably priced airfares close to christmas and then decided not to go or bought tickets to support the school or for collectors keepsakes(they were not expensive).

Also I know some FAU season ticket holders bought tickets with no intention of attending the game. There were 29k tickets sold...so im wondering who bought all the tickets.

The Deck was open to everyone and it was packed. I was in sec 105 row M at the 50 yd line. The only places the crowd really seem light was in the upper end zones. There were some Corporate sales as donations. Personally the pregame activities and tailgating were great. Thought it was great experience for both fans and teams. I will buy more tickets next year. Those pictures had to be later in the game when Marshall went up by more than 3 scores and fans left early. It certainly wasn't at peak attendance time. I was in my seats from 5:15 pm until the ESPN backdrop was taken to midfield and the trophies were given out.

The attendance looked terrible on television... not the image the CUSA and MAC needed.