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RE: Legitimate Question About Attendance
(12-18-2014 11:56 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 11:51 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  Why is attendance for football bring shouts of loyalty, university pride, civic duty, through thick and thin, true fans, etc., while basketball attendance is poked fun at and ridiculed? We have 20,000 or so die hard football fans that are there for every game. If we only have a crowd of 20,000 show up, then we hear a lot of talk about the fans that didn't show up not being real fans or whatever. We apparently have 7,000 or so die hard basketball fans that are there for every game. If only those 7,000 show up, then we see little laughing face emoticons and hear about how bad the team and coaches are.

Why are the two treated or viewed differently?

Well a few years back we were laughing at the "loyal 4100"

Actually that's the 4100 Club.
Rained most of the day then cleared off just before kickoff. The MSOS played very well that night.
12-19-2014 12:05 AM
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RE: Legitimate Question About Attendance
(12-18-2014 05:20 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 05:13 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 04:43 PM)mairving Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 12:36 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  I also don't think the OP is being fair, in that there were a lot of discussions about FB attendance being disappointing at the end of the year, even though the announced attendance numbers were in excess of 30K.

Like I noted in another thread, it is about perspective for each sport. This year's season ticket base is about 2,500 fewer than last year and about 4,000 off from just a couple years ago (which is over a 20% drop).

This last game's announced attendance was the lowest in about nine seasons and the actual attendance rivals bleak turnouts that I haven't seen since the ice storm game vs. Providence from Dec 2004.

Steady increase in football attendance of around 20% the last 3 years:
2010 - 20078
2011 - 24271 (21%)
2012 - 28537 (18%)
2013 - 33851 (19%)*

If that holds steady and we have a 20% increase next year then we will average a little over 40K. We play Cincy and Navy next year at home. I would imagine that those would be pretty well attended plus I assume that we play Ole Miss at home so we could average between 42-45K next year. Not so shabby.

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A spike in attendance always happens the year after. It will be much easier to sell tickets during the off season and for the first couple of games, coming off of a (hopefully) 10 win season, than it is for a 3 win season.

Even if we go 6-6, our attendance should be equal or a bit better next year. If we have another very good season, we will get the 20% increase.

Disagree.

So much of Tiger football depends upon walk up sales. As the team goes, attendance goes.

Because of the size of the LB, there is no worry that one has to buy season tix to guarantee a good seat, so the average fan will just attend ad hoc.

So...selling tickets after a 10 win season is no easier than it is to sell tickets after a 3 win season. We will supposedly sell the exact same number of season tickets and we will have the exact same number of walk ups the first two games of the season.

Makes perfect sense. Not really, but go with whatever makes you happy.
12-19-2014 01:18 AM
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RE: Legitimate Question About Attendance
(12-18-2014 04:43 PM)mairving Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 12:36 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  I also don't think the OP is being fair, in that there were a lot of discussions about FB attendance being disappointing at the end of the year, even though the announced attendance numbers were in excess of 30K.

Like I noted in another thread, it is about perspective for each sport. This year's season ticket base is about 2,500 fewer than last year and about 4,000 off from just a couple years ago (which is over a 20% drop).

This last game's announced attendance was the lowest in about nine seasons and the actual attendance rivals bleak turnouts that I haven't seen since the ice storm game vs. Providence from Dec 2004.

Steady increase in football attendance of around 20% the last 3 years:
2010 - 20078
2011 - 24271 (21%)
2012 - 28537 (18%)
2013 - 33851 (19%)*

If that holds steady and we have a 20% increase next year then we will average a little over 40K. We play Cincy and Navy next year at home. I would imagine that those would be pretty well attended plus I assume that we play Ole Miss at home so we could average between 42-45K next year. Not so shabby.

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I'd imagine we'll have about 45k for the opener against Missouri State (or is it SEMO?). The Mississippi game should be 55k+ after the seasons we've both had. Cincy and Navy should be over 40k. And if we have a year similar to this year the other 2 conference games should be around 40k. The next year, our first in the Big 12, we should average 45k-50k 03-wink
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RE: Legitimate Question About Attendance
(12-19-2014 04:15 AM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 04:43 PM)mairving Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 12:36 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  I also don't think the OP is being fair, in that there were a lot of discussions about FB attendance being disappointing at the end of the year, even though the announced attendance numbers were in excess of 30K.

Like I noted in another thread, it is about perspective for each sport. This year's season ticket base is about 2,500 fewer than last year and about 4,000 off from just a couple years ago (which is over a 20% drop).

This last game's announced attendance was the lowest in about nine seasons and the actual attendance rivals bleak turnouts that I haven't seen since the ice storm game vs. Providence from Dec 2004.

Steady increase in football attendance of around 20% the last 3 years:
2010 - 20078
2011 - 24271 (21%)
2012 - 28537 (18%)
2013 - 33851 (19%)*

If that holds steady and we have a 20% increase next year then we will average a little over 40K. We play Cincy and Navy next year at home. I would imagine that those would be pretty well attended plus I assume that we play Ole Miss at home so we could average between 42-45K next year. Not so shabby.

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I'd imagine we'll have about 45k for the opener against Missouri State (or is it SEMO?). The Mississippi game should be 55k+ after the seasons we've both had. Cincy and Navy should be over 40k. And if we have a year similar to this year the other 2 conference games should be around 40k. The next year, our first in the Big 12, we should average 45k-50k 03-wink
Best ole miss and attendance will easily average over 40k
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RE: Legitimate Question About Attendance
(12-19-2014 01:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 05:20 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 05:13 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 04:43 PM)mairving Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 12:36 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  I also don't think the OP is being fair, in that there were a lot of discussions about FB attendance being disappointing at the end of the year, even though the announced attendance numbers were in excess of 30K.

Like I noted in another thread, it is about perspective for each sport. This year's season ticket base is about 2,500 fewer than last year and about 4,000 off from just a couple years ago (which is over a 20% drop).

This last game's announced attendance was the lowest in about nine seasons and the actual attendance rivals bleak turnouts that I haven't seen since the ice storm game vs. Providence from Dec 2004.

Steady increase in football attendance of around 20% the last 3 years:
2010 - 20078
2011 - 24271 (21%)
2012 - 28537 (18%)
2013 - 33851 (19%)*

If that holds steady and we have a 20% increase next year then we will average a little over 40K. We play Cincy and Navy next year at home. I would imagine that those would be pretty well attended plus I assume that we play Ole Miss at home so we could average between 42-45K next year. Not so shabby.

* Unofficial

A spike in attendance always happens the year after. It will be much easier to sell tickets during the off season and for the first couple of games, coming off of a (hopefully) 10 win season, than it is for a 3 win season.

Even if we go 6-6, our attendance should be equal or a bit better next year. If we have another very good season, we will get the 20% increase.

Disagree.

So much of Tiger football depends upon walk up sales. As the team goes, attendance goes.

Because of the size of the LB, there is no worry that one has to buy season tix to guarantee a good seat, so the average fan will just attend ad hoc.

So...selling tickets after a 10 win season is no easier than it is to sell tickets after a 3 win season. We will supposedly sell the exact same number of season tickets and we will have the exact same number of walk ups the first two games of the season.

Makes perfect sense. Not really, but go with whatever makes you happy.

Sometimes you argue when you really do not agree with the essence of the information in a post. Sometimes you argue just to argue.

Unfortunately, when you do the later, your responses are more scattered and even less well thought out than they normally are.

So, I will recap the IMPORTANT points--the one's relevant to this thread--to make sure we all stay on point.

The premise is (and I agree) that Memphis should see an increase in season ticket sales. Just assuming that 18K were sold this past year, I could see 23K being sold for the 2015 season.

But...the season ticket only comprise a portion of "well attended" games ($30k+)--meaning the true measure of butts in seats at the LB is incumbent upon walk up sales.

Your contention that attendance will rise after a good season isn't true in that while season tix sales may (and likely will) increase, that number isn't what drives overall attendance.

That is the only real point. Unfortunately, for Memphis football, getting the casual fan to come to the LB relies on some factors the school can control (wins/losses, quality of team on the field) but also relies on factors the school has no control over (weather, time of game, other events going on simultaneously).

In your scenario, a 6-6 Memphis team would probably lose some of the "bandwagon" fans who want to see a winner. I remember 15K at the Tulane game in 2008 whena 5-6 Memphis team needed a win to become bowl eligible.

Again, I agree that season tix will spike up, but to assume a 6-6 team will see an overall increase in attendance is misplaced for several reasons.
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RE: Legitimate Question About Attendance
(12-19-2014 09:22 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-19-2014 01:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 05:20 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 05:13 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 04:43 PM)mairving Wrote:  Steady increase in football attendance of around 20% the last 3 years:
2010 - 20078
2011 - 24271 (21%)
2012 - 28537 (18%)
2013 - 33851 (19%)*

If that holds steady and we have a 20% increase next year then we will average a little over 40K. We play Cincy and Navy next year at home. I would imagine that those would be pretty well attended plus I assume that we play Ole Miss at home so we could average between 42-45K next year. Not so shabby.

* Unofficial

A spike in attendance always happens the year after. It will be much easier to sell tickets during the off season and for the first couple of games, coming off of a (hopefully) 10 win season, than it is for a 3 win season.

Even if we go 6-6, our attendance should be equal or a bit better next year. If we have another very good season, we will get the 20% increase.

Disagree.

So much of Tiger football depends upon walk up sales. As the team goes, attendance goes.

Because of the size of the LB, there is no worry that one has to buy season tix to guarantee a good seat, so the average fan will just attend ad hoc.

So...selling tickets after a 10 win season is no easier than it is to sell tickets after a 3 win season. We will supposedly sell the exact same number of season tickets and we will have the exact same number of walk ups the first two games of the season.

Makes perfect sense. Not really, but go with whatever makes you happy.

Sometimes you argue when you really do not agree with the essence of the information in a post. Sometimes you argue just to argue.

Unfortunately, when you do the later, your responses are more scattered and even less well thought out than they normally are.

So, I will recap the IMPORTANT points--the one's relevant to this thread--to make sure we all stay on point.

The premise is (and I agree) that Memphis should see an increase in season ticket sales. Just assuming that 18K were sold this past year, I could see 23K being sold for the 2015 season.

But...the season ticket only comprise a portion of "well attended" games ($30k+)--meaning the true measure of butts in seats at the LB is incumbent upon walk up sales.

Your contention that attendance will rise after a good season isn't true in that while season tix sales may (and likely will) increase, that number isn't what drives overall attendance.

That is the only real point. Unfortunately, for Memphis football, getting the casual fan to come to the LB relies on some factors the school can control (wins/losses, quality of team on the field) but also relies on factors the school has no control over (weather, time of game, other events going on simultaneously).

In your scenario, a 6-6 Memphis team would probably lose some of the "bandwagon" fans who want to see a winner. I remember 15K at the Tulane game in 2008 whena 5-6 Memphis team needed a win to become bowl eligible.

Again, I agree that season tix will spike up, but to assume a 6-6 team will see an overall increase in attendance is misplaced for several reasons.

I skimmed over your drivel. You just said that we wouldn't sell more tickets coming off of a 10 win season, than we would coming off of a 3 win season.
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RE: Legitimate Question About Attendance
(12-19-2014 09:34 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-19-2014 09:22 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-19-2014 01:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 05:20 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 05:13 PM)Stammers Wrote:  A spike in attendance always happens the year after. It will be much easier to sell tickets during the off season and for the first couple of games, coming off of a (hopefully) 10 win season, than it is for a 3 win season.

Even if we go 6-6, our attendance should be equal or a bit better next year. If we have another very good season, we will get the 20% increase.

Disagree.

So much of Tiger football depends upon walk up sales. As the team goes, attendance goes.

Because of the size of the LB, there is no worry that one has to buy season tix to guarantee a good seat, so the average fan will just attend ad hoc.

So...selling tickets after a 10 win season is no easier than it is to sell tickets after a 3 win season. We will supposedly sell the exact same number of season tickets and we will have the exact same number of walk ups the first two games of the season.

Makes perfect sense. Not really, but go with whatever makes you happy.

Sometimes you argue when you really do not agree with the essence of the information in a post. Sometimes you argue just to argue.

Unfortunately, when you do the later, your responses are more scattered and even less well thought out than they normally are.

So, I will recap the IMPORTANT points--the one's relevant to this thread--to make sure we all stay on point.

The premise is (and I agree) that Memphis should see an increase in season ticket sales. Just assuming that 18K were sold this past year, I could see 23K being sold for the 2015 season.

But...the season ticket only comprise a portion of "well attended" games ($30k+)--meaning the true measure of butts in seats at the LB is incumbent upon walk up sales.

Your contention that attendance will rise after a good season isn't true in that while season tix sales may (and likely will) increase, that number isn't what drives overall attendance.

That is the only real point. Unfortunately, for Memphis football, getting the casual fan to come to the LB relies on some factors the school can control (wins/losses, quality of team on the field) but also relies on factors the school has no control over (weather, time of game, other events going on simultaneously).

In your scenario, a 6-6 Memphis team would probably lose some of the "bandwagon" fans who want to see a winner. I remember 15K at the Tulane game in 2008 whena 5-6 Memphis team needed a win to become bowl eligible.

Again, I agree that season tix will spike up, but to assume a 6-6 team will see an overall increase in attendance is misplaced for several reasons.

I skimmed over your drivel because reading english is hard for me. You just said that we wouldn't sell more tickets coming off of a 10 win season, than we would coming off of a 3 win season.

Not the case at all. I bolded the important part, since I wasn't kind enough to put it in your native tongue.
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RE: Legitimate Question About Attendance
(12-19-2014 09:34 AM)Stammers Wrote:  I skimmed over your drivel. You just said that we wouldn't sell more tickets coming off of a 10 win season, than we would coming off of a 3 win season.

You're not smart enough to know if I'm upset. Not smart enough to know our basketball coach isn't getting the job done. Not smart enough to move from Canuckland.

But smart enough to call avid fans who support the team, not the coach, a loser.

I was a fan of the team long before you and he came here and with the good Lord willing I'll be a fan long after he's gone.

Have a nice day.
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RE: Legitimate Question About Attendance
(12-18-2014 04:03 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 02:23 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 12:28 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 11:51 AM)Trapper John Wrote:  Why is attendance for football bring shouts of loyalty, university pride, civic duty, through thick and thin, true fans, etc., while basketball attendance is poked fun at and ridiculed? We have 20,000 or so die hard football fans that are there for every game. If we only have a crowd of 20,000 show up, then we hear a lot of talk about the fans that didn't show up not being real fans or whatever. We apparently have 7,000 or so die hard basketball fans that are there for every game. If only those 7,000 show up, then we see little laughing face emoticons and hear about how bad the team and coaches are.

Why are the two treated or viewed differently?

Difference is that Tiger BB has about 16K+ season ticket holders & averages about 16K in attendance (using previous years averages) or 13K+ announced this yr so far or 7-8K butts in the seats. Tiger BB is playing a cupcake or no-name home OOC schedule, the team is not very good & the Grizz are playing lights out. Tiger FB probably has 22K season ticket holders, yet averaged 33K+ in attendance this yr. So the BB program has less attendance than the season tickets sold while the FB program has attendance approximately 80% more than season tickets sold. Also FB program success, wins & attendance, will determine Tiger conference affiliation. Draw your own conclusions....

FB has not had 22,000 season tickets any year in the last 20 years.

RC sold around 10,000 season tickets most years.04-jawdrop

This is more true than you know.

The 18,000-20,000 season tickets that were announced prior to the 2004 and 2005 seasons and maybe a few other years, included thousands of student tickets and comps for university employees and donors/sponsors. The actual season tickets sold number was much, much lower than anything every announced.

To my point, all the more remarkable that our FB attendance average is more than 100% of season ticket sales while BB attendance seems substantially less than season ticket sales.
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