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Bob Diaco on CFL yesterday
Diaco stood up when probed during the first half about us not being power5. Later during a segment they spoke about UAB shutting down; the moderator (forget his name) spoke saying he wanted football to stay how it is with as many programs so there are. Ed Cunningham on the other, said that he thinks more programs should shut down and that Diaco had to come to terms with the fact that they're not power5.

I've never liked Cunningham, I've aways thought he's an arrogant elitist. So this begs the question, what makes some power5? What's the criteria? Is it attendance? Is it big wins? Is it operational budgets? Is it facilities? Other than perception, what is it?

I find it incredibly insulting that he rails against us when there are teams that are essentially gifted P5 status that haven't earned it.
12-18-2014 11:44 AM
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RE: Bob Diaco on CFL yesterday
Conference affiliation. Bowl contracts.
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RE: Bob Diaco on CFL yesterday
(12-18-2014 11:44 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Diaco stood up when probed during the first half about us not being power5. Later during a segment they spoke about UAB shutting down; the moderator (forget his name) spoke saying he wanted football to stay how it is with as many programs so there are. Ed Cunningham on the other, said that he thinks more programs should shut down and that Diaco had to come to terms with the fact that they're not power5.

I've never liked Cunningham, I've aways thought he's an arrogant elitist. So this begs the question, what makes some power5? What's the criteria? Is it attendance? Is it big wins? Is it operational budgets? Is it facilities? Other than perception, what is it?

I find it incredibly insulting that he rails against us when there are teams that are essentially gifted P5 status that haven't earned it.

I watched it when I got home last night. I don't think Cunningham was directing his comment to anyone in the AAC, but more like the Idaho St. and New Mexico St. of the world. I agree there are some schools that don't belong at the D-1 Level.
12-18-2014 11:51 AM
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RE: Bob Diaco on CFL yesterday
You may be right but at point he spoke very clearly to Diaco saying he wasn't P5.
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RE: Bob Diaco on CFL yesterday
(12-18-2014 11:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  You may be right but at point he spoke very clearly to Diaco saying he wasn't P5.

And that would be correct STATEMENT, no one in the AAC is. I do think we have schools that are worthy, and will eventially beome P-5. But at the momoment none of us are.
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RE: Bob Diaco on CFL yesterday
(12-18-2014 11:44 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  what makes some power5? What's the criteria? Is it attendance? Is it big wins? Is it operational budgets? Is it facilities? Other than perception, what is it?

I think the answer is a self fulfilled prophecy. Ultimately the connotation of P5 is that it's a level above on field. What makes you a level above? Coaches and Players.

Coaches is mostly about money, you can find the best coaches in the world, but before they really hit their potential they'll go somewhere that pays more. Head coaches are one thing, but its the stability of the good assistants and position coaches that really separates programs. When upper level P5s can pay position coaches, what G5s pay assistants, its hard to compete.

Players are all about perception and marketing. The lifeblood of college football ultimately hinges on the decisions of High School boys. Its not by chance that the ones projected to be the best end up at the same handful of schools. However here, is where the self fulfilling prophecy comes into play. The P5 are the P5, because they are classified as the P5. They get the players because of that classification and will defend that classification because they have the players.

This was starting to deteriorate under the BCS old system. A lot of the G5s had great exposure contracts with ESPN. These allowed them to get ranked and to break into the BCS. The playoff attempts to "fix" this, by removing the power to decide who is relevant from computers and journalist. Leaving it in the hands of a committee that just so happens to be made mostly of representatives of the P5 conferences.
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RE: Bob Diaco on CFL yesterday
I'd be inclined to agree with you, but the anomaly is no one is P5 until they are. Boise state could go to as many bcs or big bowls and beat P5 teams all day but they're not P5. It was the same with TCU but now they're in, they had one year of drop off but they were almost in the playoff. Utah had some drop off but this year they're ranked. Simply by attributing status teams that once weren't worthy are now worthy, that's my point.
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RE: Bob Diaco on CFL yesterday
(12-18-2014 11:48 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  Conference affiliation. Bowl contracts.

Left out tv contracts.


I'd asterisk Conference Affiliation on the lines of, some members of those conferences HAVE DONE IT, and have done it successfully for a long time so some in the conference have merit, but others are hangers on.
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Re: RE: Bob Diaco on CFL yesterday
(12-18-2014 11:44 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Diaco stood up when probed during the first half about us not being power5. Later during a segment they spoke about UAB shutting down; the moderator (forget his name) spoke saying he wanted football to stay how it is with as many programs so there are. Ed Cunningham on the other, said that he thinks more programs should shut down and that Diaco had to come to terms with the fact that they're not power5.

I've never liked Cunningham, I've aways thought he's an arrogant elitist. So this begs the question, what makes some power5? What's the criteria? Is it attendance? Is it big wins? Is it operational budgets? Is it facilities? Other than perception, what is it?

I find it incredibly insulting that he rails against us when there are teams that are essentially gifted P5 status that haven't earned it.

He

Stood up when he was probed. ..

Huh huh huh huh

I bet he did
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RE: Bob Diaco on CFL yesterday
Last I checked the NCAA guidelines, there is.........

Division I FBS and Division I FCS and then all the rest of the divisions.

Didn't see anything called Power 5 / Group of 5 or / Mid-major / Red-headed step child / Haves / Have nots / etc. etc. etc.

Contract conference CC / Non contract conference NCC are legitimate terms to use until such time as the CARTEL take their ball and run home with it. Every thing else is media malarkey. We may not have the level of resources, but all our teams play on the same fields as Alafrigginbama, Texas and the rest.
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RE: Bob Diaco on CFL yesterday
(12-18-2014 11:44 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  So this begs the question, what makes some power5? What's the criteria? Is it attendance? Is it big wins? Is it operational budgets? Is it facilities? Other than perception, what is it?

It's whatever the current P5 says it is. It's to some extent whatever ESPN says it is.

If either or both of them want someone to be P5, then that school will be P5.
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RE: Bob Diaco on CFL yesterday
(12-18-2014 04:10 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 11:44 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  So this begs the question, what makes some power5? What's the criteria? Is it attendance? Is it big wins? Is it operational budgets? Is it facilities? Other than perception, what is it?

It's whatever the current P5 says it is. It's to some extent whatever ESPN says it is.

If either or both of them want someone to be P5, then that school will be P5.

I think you hit the nail on the head, there's a fundamental problem with this. It's letting the inmates run the asylum. I don't want to get too political but this goes against everything that's American and free markets, does it not?
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RE: Bob Diaco on CFL yesterday
It's the perception of the bigger names and being lucky enough to have them as associates.

That's what separates us from the top. We are generally a good group, but those closest to us aren't willing to accept us as peers. Do our P5 neighbors consider us rivals or "little brother"?

How do you guys view the AAC compared to the P5, as far as the relations amongst the member institutions? All of these conferences have a certain pride in its associations with the members from athletics all the way down to academics. We are just a group of institutions in purgatory. We have nothing to do with each other outside of the playing field (except those who happen to be close to one another).

At some point we need to collectively do something to mark ourselves as peer institutions.
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RE: Bob Diaco on CFL yesterday
(12-18-2014 12:12 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 11:48 AM)ECBrad Wrote:  Conference affiliation. Bowl contracts.

Left out tv contracts.


I'd asterisk Conference Affiliation on the lines of, some members of those conferences HAVE DONE IT, and have done it successfully for a long time so some in the conference have merit, but others are hangers on.

It's all TV contracts. That is the line of demarcation. If the AAC was getting 15-20 MM per team it would be the Power 6. Same with the MWC
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