(12-18-2014 08:54 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 08:38 AM)ThinkBigPine Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 08:31 AM)Banter Wrote:  How long has the current coach been there?

This is her 5th year.

Looks like the AD needs to find a replacement. Looking over their past results it looks like they are not making any progress. They need to find someone who can actually build them into a winning team.

in my opinion, the women's bb coach is a lot like former bb coach Tony yates. A good person that just isn't much of a motivator or an X and O's person. She apparently was a good player but those few years that she served under coach Gino at UCONN didn't rub off on her in terms of motivating and strategies.
I thought she'd have been a great recruiter also. That hasn't panned out too well for her either. Her huge salary could be used elsewhere for a while if they hire a new young coach that can motivate and coach and recruit.

(12-18-2014 10:03 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 09:48 AM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 09:45 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 09:41 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 09:30 AM)indycat Wrote:  UC must find a way to turn women's basketball around. Even if they're not any immediate threat to a legendary UConn program, they certainly should at least be no worse than middle of the pack in the AAC with trips to the post season at times.

Part of Louisville's appeal in conference realignment was their breadth of success. They've done a fine job with women's basketball, baseball and other Olympic sports.

We are really far behind in all sports not named Football and Men's Basketball. Strides were made by getting scholarships back, and getting a new baseball coach. The Athletic department needs to focus on getting our non revenue sports going in the right direction.

It's amazing to think how far we've fallen in some sports too. I mean, what was it, 5 years ago that we had a tournament team in Men's Soccer and a baseball team challenging for a spot in the Regionals and a Big East championship and we had a National Champion Swimmer in Josh Schneider? Crazy how getting complacent with coaches does that...I'm glad they moved on an up and comer for baseball, but Coach Dayes needs to get a fire lit under him, or a pink slip, here real soon.

Don't forget volleyball as well. Used to be a top notch program with games that were fun to attend (at least when I was still at UC). Now... not so much.

Well...that was the coach's fault if we're honest. If he could've kept it in his pants, we'd still be battling for conference titles, but I still see your point. Odd as it is to say, Cincinnati is the second best volleyball recruiting area per capita in the US. If we had a men's volleyball team, we'd be competing for national titles in 10 years, with Moeller, Elder, and St. X in our backyard, all of whom have teams annually ranked in the Top 15 HS Me's teams nationally, and recruited at even a marginal pace, we'd be excellent in no time.

Just out of curiosity, what's the best area for volleyball per capita?

FWIW I took a look at our women's roster this morning. 12 players are listed, including eight freshman and sophomores. There are only two seniors on the roster.
Glancing at bios, the credentials of the underclassmen looked to be much more impressive than the older players (ie. they were all-state performers, one was a McDonald's All-American Candidate vs. the upper classmen whose bios were not that stellar). The seniors on this roster would have been part of Elliott's first true recruiting class. My guess is she got off to a rocky start getting the "right kind of girls" here the first couple years.

I Wonder if all the freshmen and sophomores are getting a bulk of the minutes which may account for the poor results.

(12-18-2014 11:18 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 10:03 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 09:48 AM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 09:45 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 09:41 AM)Banter Wrote:  We are really far behind in all sports not named Football and Men's Basketball. Strides were made by getting scholarships back, and getting a new baseball coach. The Athletic department needs to focus on getting our non revenue sports going in the right direction.

It's amazing to think how far we've fallen in some sports too. I mean, what was it, 5 years ago that we had a tournament team in Men's Soccer and a baseball team challenging for a spot in the Regionals and a Big East championship and we had a National Champion Swimmer in Josh Schneider? Crazy how getting complacent with coaches does that...I'm glad they moved on an up and comer for baseball, but Coach Dayes needs to get a fire lit under him, or a pink slip, here real soon.

Don't forget volleyball as well. Used to be a top notch program with games that were fun to attend (at least when I was still at UC). Now... not so much.

Well...that was the coach's fault if we're honest. If he could've kept it in his pants, we'd still be battling for conference titles, but I still see your point. Odd as it is to say, Cincinnati is the second best volleyball recruiting area per capita in the US. If we had a men's volleyball team, we'd be competing for national titles in 10 years, with Moeller, Elder, and St. X in our backyard, all of whom have teams annually ranked in the Top 15 HS Me's teams nationally, and recruited at even a marginal pace, we'd be excellent in no time.

Just out of curiosity, what's the best area for volleyball per capita?

Typically it is Southern California. They churn out an obscene amount of top talent. ..enough to supply basically every Pac-12 school with quality players. Not sure if this came across on the original post, but I was referring to Men's Volleyball. We are however a very fertile Women's Recruiting Area as well.

(12-18-2014 11:19 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  FWIW I took a look at our women's roster this morning. 12 players are listed, including eight freshman and sophomores. There are only two seniors on the roster.
Glancing at bios, the credentials of the underclassmen looked to be much more impressive than the older players (ie. they were all-state performers, one was a McDonald's All-American Candidate vs. the upper classmen whose bios were not that stellar). The seniors on this roster would have been part of Elliott's first true recruiting class. My guess is she got off to a rocky start getting the "right kind of girls" here the first couple years.

I Wonder if all the freshmen and sophomores are getting a bulk of the minutes which may account for the poor results.

The teams under Elliott have also had one injury problem after another, including this year. It also must be hard to recruit to a place where you average about 200 people per game. I'm not sure the coach is entirely the problem, but also a lack of support. How many people here complaining about WBB and calling for people to lose their jobs actually go to these games? If you're not part of the solution. you're part of the problem. (Full disclosure: I haven't been to an olympic sport game this year myself).

I'm not calling for anyone's head. My position when Pirtle was let go was that more than likely, WBB would never be a money maker for UC. It exists solely to address the requirements of Title IX. Assuming that I am correct, it made no sense to get rid of her or any other coach no matter their record.

In protest, I haven't been to a women's basketball game since Pirtle was canned.

All the talk of other sports is nice and all...

But if football and TV drive the bus...and men's basketball isn't helping UC or UConn to this point yet...how in the world are we to believe success in women's basketball or field hockey or tennis mean much.

(12-18-2014 01:58 PM)50Cent Wrote:  All the talk of other sports is nice and all...

But if football and TV drive the bus...and men's basketball isn't helping UC or UConn to this point yet...how in the world are we to believe success in women's basketball or field hockey or tennis mean much.

I assume the other sports are part of a complete package, and probably become important factors when a conference is comparing one candidate school among equals.

Like UC for instance.

Remember also, that political correctness rules every aspect of a university, right up to the President level.

(12-18-2014 01:58 PM)50Cent Wrote:  All the talk of other sports is nice and all...

But if football and TV drive the bus...and men's basketball isn't helping UC or UConn to this point yet...how in the world are we to believe success in women's basketball or field hockey or tennis mean much.

If you have crappy or nonexistent olympic sports all other things being equal, chances of invite to a P5 could be reduced. Need to present a total package. If you don't believe me look how much college baseball, softball, volleyball, lacrosse, WBB, etc.. is now televised. The more content you are able to provide, the more attractive your overall program is to a conference.

(12-18-2014 01:58 PM)50Cent Wrote:  All the talk of other sports is nice and all...

But if football and TV drive the bus...and men's basketball isn't helping UC or UConn to this point yet...how in the world are we to believe success in women's basketball or field hockey or tennis mean much.

Football and TV drive the bus, but they don't have every seat. If they did, UC would have been chosen to be in the ACC over Louisville. We're a much bigger school in a much bigger market, with more than double the number of alumni than Louisville. Our football team had unquestionably been better than Louisville's in the 10 years prior to the ACC's decision (remember, they made the addition before Louisville beat Rutgers in Piscataway to earn the Sugar Bowl birth. If UL had lost, Rutgers would have won the conference outright and UL would have finished 4th).

On top of that, we're closer to the East Coast culturally and geographically. And our academics are so much better than Louisville's that the ACC could have publicly maintained their justification of the decision *not* to invite WVU the previous year.

But Louisville's basketball is better than ours, and their secondary sports are better than ours. That was enough to overcome our huge institutional and market advantages, as well as our (at the time) advantage on the football field.

(12-18-2014 02:27 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:58 PM)50Cent Wrote:  All the talk of other sports is nice and all...

But if football and TV drive the bus...and men's basketball isn't helping UC or UConn to this point yet...how in the world are we to believe success in women's basketball or field hockey or tennis mean much.

If you have crappy or nonexistent olympic sports all other things being equal, chances of invite to a P5 could be reduced. Need to present a total package. If you don't believe me look how much college baseball, softball, volleyball, lacrosse, WBB, etc.. is now televised. The more content you are able to provide, the more attractive your overall program is to a conference.

Agreed. And sense we have all been begging to get in the B12, it should be noted that the conference takes its women's basketball and softball seriously. Per the NCAA, the B12 had the largest attendance in women's basketball last season (see attached). Iowa States averages nearly 10,000 people a game.

http://www.google.com/url?url=http://fs....PJN9kLbQVw

With regards to softball, I have been saying for the last couple years we need to field a team. Women's softball is on TV all throughout the summer on the ESPN and Fox Sports stations. They actually have been getting decent ratings and some of the games are on in prime time. That is opportunity for the university to showcase its brand that is being missed out on.

(12-18-2014 10:55 AM)bearcat54 Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 08:54 AM)Banter Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 08:38 AM)ThinkBigPine Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 08:31 AM)Banter Wrote:  How long has the current coach been there?

This is her 5th year.

Looks like the AD needs to find a replacement. Looking over their past results it looks like they are not making any progress. They need to find someone who can actually build them into a winning team.

I feel it's time for UC to part w ays with Janelle. She just doesn't seem to recruit or manage a game like her former coach does for UCONN. I KNOW we can't probably ever compare UC to UConn but has UC ever appeared to improve under her coaching? Laurie Pirtle had made some rather poor decisions at times but she appeared to have been a much better coach than Janelle. Janelle doesn't appear to even recruit locally that much. Losing to NKU again should catch the attention of the ADMINISTRATION. If they don't really care to stay down in lower levels of the conference, then they should just keep her around. I bet a lot better young coaching minds are out there somewhere that would gladly accept the job and at a lot less money than what she's making at this time.

Lots of opinions from a guy who doesn't even know the coach's name.

Just looking at the roster and 7 of the 12 players are from a 200 mile radius of UC. One more is from Cleveland, and another is from Michigan. The remaining three are from NJ, GA, and Chicago. While none are from the greater Cincinnati area, I would consider within 200 miles as recruiting locally.

(12-18-2014 04:34 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 02:27 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:58 PM)50Cent Wrote:  All the talk of other sports is nice and all...

But if football and TV drive the bus...and men's basketball isn't helping UC or UConn to this point yet...how in the world are we to believe success in women's basketball or field hockey or tennis mean much.

If you have crappy or nonexistent olympic sports all other things being equal, chances of invite to a P5 could be reduced. Need to present a total package. If you don't believe me look how much college baseball, softball, volleyball, lacrosse, WBB, etc.. is now televised. The more content you are able to provide, the more attractive your overall program is to a conference.

Agreed. And sense we have all been begging to get in the B12, it should be noted that the conference takes its women's basketball and softball seriously. Per the NCAA, the B12 had the largest attendance in women's basketball last season (see attached). Iowa States averages nearly 10,000 people a game.

http://www.google.com/url?url=http://fs....PJN9kLbQVw

With regards to softball, I have been saying for the last couple years we need to field a team. Women's softball is on TV all throughout the summer on the ESPN and Fox Sports stations. They actually have been getting decent ratings and some of the games are on in prime time. That is opportunity for the university to showcase its brand that is being missed out on.

I wish we fielded a softball team. I actually enjoy it quite a bit and my wife played college ball.

(12-18-2014 10:03 PM)Ash_UC_Tix Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 04:34 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 02:27 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 01:58 PM)50Cent Wrote:  All the talk of other sports is nice and all...

But if football and TV drive the bus...and men's basketball isn't helping UC or UConn to this point yet...how in the world are we to believe success in women's basketball or field hockey or tennis mean much.

If you have crappy or nonexistent olympic sports all other things being equal, chances of invite to a P5 could be reduced. Need to present a total package. If you don't believe me look how much college baseball, softball, volleyball, lacrosse, WBB, etc.. is now televised. The more content you are able to provide, the more attractive your overall program is to a conference.

Agreed. And sense we have all been begging to get in the B12, it should be noted that the conference takes its women's basketball and softball seriously. Per the NCAA, the B12 had the largest attendance in women's basketball last season (see attached). Iowa States averages nearly 10,000 people a game.

http://www.google.com/url?url=http://fs....PJN9kLbQVw

With regards to softball, I have been saying for the last couple years we need to field a team. Women's softball is on TV all throughout the summer on the ESPN and Fox Sports stations. They actually have been getting decent ratings and some of the games are on in prime time. That is opportunity for the university to showcase its brand that is being missed out on.

I wish we fielded a softball team. I actually enjoy it quite a bit and my wife played college ball.

I hope our baseball team will start to be competitive. Cincinnati is such a baseball town, it is a shame that UC has been lagging behind in baseball for years.

Now runs Half-Court Hoops a training program in CowOnBus, OH

Laurie was the University of Cincinnati's all-time winningest coach with over 400 career wins. During her tenure, the Bearcats won 310 games and advanced to postseason play more times than under any other head coach. In her final 11 years, she guided UC to 10 winning seasons, five 20-plus win campaigns and eight postseason appearance, including seven consecutive from 1997-2004. She was named the Metro Conference Coach of the Year in 1988 after transforming a 6-22 program into an 18-11 team in just two years. Her squad advanced to the NCAA Tournament on four occasions, reaching the second round in 2001-02. She was also inducted into the Greater Cincinnati Basketball Hall of Fame in 2002.



During her career at the University of Cincinnati, Laurie was also appointed as the Senior Woman Administrator, served on the NCAA Certification Committee, and the Gender Equity Committee.



Laurie is also responsible for building the foundation of the Capital University Basketball Program. In just four years as the head coach, she took her team to the Division III Final Four, won two conference championships, received many Coach of the Year Honors, had a 31-game winning streak, and overall record 83-16.

Simple reason why we don't have softball is that lacrosse is cheaper. Same number of scholarships with a quarter of the games and travel.

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(12-19-2014 09:29 AM)dossbig Wrote:  Now runs Half-Court Hoops a training program in CowOnBus, OH

Laurie was the University of Cincinnati's all-time winningest coach with over 400 career wins. During her tenure, the Bearcats won 310 games and advanced to postseason play more times than under any other head coach. In her final 11 years, she guided UC to 10 winning seasons, five 20-plus win campaigns and eight postseason appearance, including seven consecutive from 1997-2004. She was named the Metro Conference Coach of the Year in 1988 after transforming a 6-22 program into an 18-11 team in just two years. Her squad advanced to the NCAA Tournament on four occasions, reaching the second round in 2001-02. She was also inducted into the Greater Cincinnati Basketball Hall of Fame in 2002.



During her career at the University of Cincinnati, Laurie was also appointed as the Senior Woman Administrator, served on the NCAA Certification Committee, and the Gender Equity Committee.



Laurie is also responsible for building the foundation of the Capital University Basketball Program. In just four years as the head coach, she took her team to the Division III Final Four, won two conference championships, received many Coach of the Year Honors, had a 31-game winning streak, and overall record 83-16.

Thanks for posting this. As someone who is somewhat new to UC not knowing a lot about the history in some of these other sports this post is interesting. I would love to see the break down by season. Seems like she was successful.