1999 Marshall seems to be the consensus. Hell, you could probably make an argument for any of the Marshall teams from 1997-02. '03 Miami, '08 Ball State, and '09 CMU would probably be up there as well.

A more interesting question to pose would probably be which was the best of the last 5 NIU teams. Based on point differential alone, the order would be:

2012 +262
2010 +255
2013 +204
2011 +112
2014 +111

That's kind of the order I would go.

Have to go with Boca regarding UT during the Chuck Ealey era. Shameful he isn't eligible for the College Football Hall of Fame. One of those teams should be in the MAC Top 5. And don't forget Miami 1974.

(12-18-2014 09:34 AM)beachboy Wrote:  Have to go with Boca regarding UT during the Chuck Ealey era. Shameful he isn't eligible for the College Football Hall of Fame. One of those teams should be in the MAC Top 5. And don't forget Miami 1974.

Why is he not eligible?

They almost certainly belong on that list. It's just that so few of us saw them play.

(12-18-2014 09:38 AM)cawoo22 Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 09:34 AM)beachboy Wrote:  Have to go with Boca regarding UT during the Chuck Ealey era. Shameful he isn't eligible for the College Football Hall of Fame. One of those teams should be in the MAC Top 5. And don't forget Miami 1974.

Why is he not eligible?

They almost certainly belong on that list. It's just that so few of us saw them play.

Supposedly you are eligible only if you are a first-team All-American, which Ealey wasn't. Then as now, it would've been extremely difficult for a MAC quarterback to be a first-teamer. Lynch, as you recall, was first-team "Allo-Purpose" player, not a first-team QB.

(12-18-2014 08:17 AM)7 Wrote:  

Quote:3) 2012 Kent State Golden Flashes. Change one or two random plays in that MACC, and it would have been Kent State playing in that Orange Bowl instead of the Huskies. I actually thought this team was better than NIU that season. They were a little more balanced and had an all around stronger team, albeit very slightly.

Quote:LOLOLOLOLOLOL the team NIU outgained by like 300 yards in the MAC Championship game?

Kent State would have lost by like 50 to Florida State in the Orange Bowl. Get out of here with this nonsense.

In hindsight, I should have Kent behind the 2012 Huskies - I forgot they lost their bowl that year after the MACC loss. That said, I don't think they warrant six LOL's. Dri Archer was dynamite and they had an impressive road win against #18 Rutgers. That team played good defense when they weren't matched up against #6. MAC teams have a tough time getting ranked (ask the NIU kids this season about that) and Kent spent a handful of weeks on the chart that season. 2012 was an amazing season for the MAC. Two ranked teams battling it out in the conference title game with the winner going to a BCS bowl. It was a shining moment for the conference and I wish you wouldn't tarnish that by disparaging Kent State.

(12-18-2014 11:29 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 08:17 AM)7 Wrote:  

Quote:3) 2012 Kent State Golden Flashes. Change one or two random plays in that MACC, and it would have been Kent State playing in that Orange Bowl instead of the Huskies. I actually thought this team was better than NIU that season. They were a little more balanced and had an all around stronger team, albeit very slightly.

Quote:LOLOLOLOLOLOL the team NIU outgained by like 300 yards in the MAC Championship game?

Kent State would have lost by like 50 to Florida State in the Orange Bowl. Get out of here with this nonsense.

In hindsight, I should have Kent behind the 2012 Huskies - I forgot they lost their bowl that year after the MACC loss. That said, I don't think they warrant six LOL's. Dri Archer was dynamite and they had an impressive road win against #18 Rutgers. That team played good defense when they weren't matched up against #6. MAC teams have a tough time getting ranked (ask the NIU kids this season about that) and Kent spent a handful of weeks on the chart that season. 2012 was an amazing season for the MAC. Two ranked teams battling it out in the conference title game with the winner going to a BCS bowl. It was a shining moment for the conference and I wish you wouldn't tarnish that by disparaging Kent State.

Rutgers pulled a WMU and turned the ball over 7 times in that game...

(12-18-2014 11:29 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 08:17 AM)7 Wrote:  

Quote:3) 2012 Kent State Golden Flashes. Change one or two random plays in that MACC, and it would have been Kent State playing in that Orange Bowl instead of the Huskies. I actually thought this team was better than NIU that season. They were a little more balanced and had an all around stronger team, albeit very slightly.

Quote:LOLOLOLOLOLOL the team NIU outgained by like 300 yards in the MAC Championship game?

Kent State would have lost by like 50 to Florida State in the Orange Bowl. Get out of here with this nonsense.

In hindsight, I should have Kent behind the 2012 Huskies - I forgot they lost their bowl that year after the MACC loss. That said, I don't think they warrant six LOL's. Dri Archer was dynamite and they had an impressive road win against #18 Rutgers. That team played good defense when they weren't matched up against #6. MAC teams have a tough time getting ranked (ask the NIU kids this season about that) and Kent spent a handful of weeks on the chart that season. 2012 was an amazing season for the MAC. Two ranked teams battling it out in the conference title game with the winner going to a BCS bowl. It was a shining moment for the conference and I wish you wouldn't tarnish that by disparaging Kent State.

I don't think he was disparaging Kent State as much as he was disparaging you for having them so high on the list. Yeah, they're defense was alright and they got a bunch of turnovers, but other than Archer and Durham, was there anyone on that offense that was dangerous?

2012 Kent. St. was 74th in Offense in YPG and 90th in Defense YPG, please stop pretending they were a good team.

(12-18-2014 11:40 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  2012 Kent. St. was 74th in Offense in YPG and 90th in Defense YPG, please stop pretending they were a good team.

Exactly the only reason that MACC went to OT was we **** down our leg at the end of it, including a fumble that was returned for a TD. We were up 27-13 in the 4th quarter

(12-18-2014 11:40 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  2012 Kent. St. was 74th in Offense in YPG and 90th in Defense YPG, please stop pretending they were a good team.

I wouldn't go so far as to say they weren't a good team. The fact that they went 11-3 says a lot. But, in the case of the MACC, it was easy to see who the better team was.

(12-18-2014 11:38 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 11:29 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 08:17 AM)7 Wrote:  

Quote:3) 2012 Kent State Golden Flashes. Change one or two random plays in that MACC, and it would have been Kent State playing in that Orange Bowl instead of the Huskies. I actually thought this team was better than NIU that season. They were a little more balanced and had an all around stronger team, albeit very slightly.

Quote:LOLOLOLOLOLOL the team NIU outgained by like 300 yards in the MAC Championship game?

Kent State would have lost by like 50 to Florida State in the Orange Bowl. Get out of here with this nonsense.

In hindsight, I should have Kent behind the 2012 Huskies - I forgot they lost their bowl that year after the MACC loss. That said, I don't think they warrant six LOL's. Dri Archer was dynamite and they had an impressive road win against #18 Rutgers. That team played good defense when they weren't matched up against #6. MAC teams have a tough time getting ranked (ask the NIU kids this season about that) and Kent spent a handful of weeks on the chart that season. 2012 was an amazing season for the MAC. Two ranked teams battling it out in the conference title game with the winner going to a BCS bowl. It was a shining moment for the conference and I wish you wouldn't tarnish that by disparaging Kent State.

I don't think he was disparaging Kent State as much as he was disparaging you for having them so high on the list. Yeah, they're defense was alright and they got a bunch of turnovers, but other than Archer and Durham, was there anyone on that offense that was dangerous?

I simply find the tenor of Seven's post interesting. There seems to be a pervasive attitude among some NIU fans that by knocking down other MAC teams, it somehow elevates the Huskies. I root for the other MAC teams when they don't play NIU because their successes add value to the NIU accomplishments.

I know that no one cares about college football musings from Seven and me, but if we as a grass roots fan base can't embrace the teams from our own conference and build them up instead of tear them down, we defeat ourselves. Social media can play a part in national perception.

(12-18-2014 12:14 PM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 11:38 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 11:29 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 08:17 AM)7 Wrote:  

Quote:3) 2012 Kent State Golden Flashes. Change one or two random plays in that MACC, and it would have been Kent State playing in that Orange Bowl instead of the Huskies. I actually thought this team was better than NIU that season. They were a little more balanced and had an all around stronger team, albeit very slightly.

Quote:LOLOLOLOLOLOL the team NIU outgained by like 300 yards in the MAC Championship game?

Kent State would have lost by like 50 to Florida State in the Orange Bowl. Get out of here with this nonsense.

In hindsight, I should have Kent behind the 2012 Huskies - I forgot they lost their bowl that year after the MACC loss. That said, I don't think they warrant six LOL's. Dri Archer was dynamite and they had an impressive road win against #18 Rutgers. That team played good defense when they weren't matched up against #6. MAC teams have a tough time getting ranked (ask the NIU kids this season about that) and Kent spent a handful of weeks on the chart that season. 2012 was an amazing season for the MAC. Two ranked teams battling it out in the conference title game with the winner going to a BCS bowl. It was a shining moment for the conference and I wish you wouldn't tarnish that by disparaging Kent State.

I don't think he was disparaging Kent State as much as he was disparaging you for having them so high on the list. Yeah, they're defense was alright and they got a bunch of turnovers, but other than Archer and Durham, was there anyone on that offense that was dangerous?

I simply find the tenor of Seven's post interesting. There seems to be a pervasive attitude among some NIU fans that by knocking down other MAC teams, it somehow elevates the Huskies. I root for the other MAC teams when they don't play NIU because their successes add value to the NIU accomplishments.

I know that no one cares about college football musings from Seven and me, but if we as a grass roots fan base can't embrace the teams from our own conference and build them up instead of tear them down, we defeat ourselves. Social media can play a part in national perception.

I myself have no problems with recognizing other good MAC teams.

2012 Kent was not a good team.

Beating Rutgers is not exactly a tough accomplishment.

(12-18-2014 12:15 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 12:14 PM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 11:38 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 11:29 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 08:17 AM)7 Wrote:  Kent State would have lost by like 50 to Florida State in the Orange Bowl. Get out of here with this nonsense.

In hindsight, I should have Kent behind the 2012 Huskies - I forgot they lost their bowl that year after the MACC loss. That said, I don't think they warrant six LOL's. Dri Archer was dynamite and they had an impressive road win against #18 Rutgers. That team played good defense when they weren't matched up against #6. MAC teams have a tough time getting ranked (ask the NIU kids this season about that) and Kent spent a handful of weeks on the chart that season. 2012 was an amazing season for the MAC. Two ranked teams battling it out in the conference title game with the winner going to a BCS bowl. It was a shining moment for the conference and I wish you wouldn't tarnish that by disparaging Kent State.

I don't think he was disparaging Kent State as much as he was disparaging you for having them so high on the list. Yeah, they're defense was alright and they got a bunch of turnovers, but other than Archer and Durham, was there anyone on that offense that was dangerous?

I simply find the tenor of Seven's post interesting. There seems to be a pervasive attitude among some NIU fans that by knocking down other MAC teams, it somehow elevates the Huskies. I root for the other MAC teams when they don't play NIU because their successes add value to the NIU accomplishments.

I know that no one cares about college football musings from Seven and me, but if we as a grass roots fan base can't embrace the teams from our own conference and build them up instead of tear them down, we defeat ourselves. Social media can play a part in national perception.

I myself have no problems with recognizing other good MAC teams.

2012 Kent was not a good team.

(12-18-2014 12:19 PM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  Beating Rutgers is not exactly a tough accomplishment.

(12-18-2014 12:15 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 12:14 PM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 11:38 AM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 11:29 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  In hindsight, I should have Kent behind the 2012 Huskies - I forgot they lost their bowl that year after the MACC loss. That said, I don't think they warrant six LOL's. Dri Archer was dynamite and they had an impressive road win against #18 Rutgers. That team played good defense when they weren't matched up against #6. MAC teams have a tough time getting ranked (ask the NIU kids this season about that) and Kent spent a handful of weeks on the chart that season. 2012 was an amazing season for the MAC. Two ranked teams battling it out in the conference title game with the winner going to a BCS bowl. It was a shining moment for the conference and I wish you wouldn't tarnish that by disparaging Kent State.

I don't think he was disparaging Kent State as much as he was disparaging you for having them so high on the list. Yeah, they're defense was alright and they got a bunch of turnovers, but other than Archer and Durham, was there anyone on that offense that was dangerous?

I simply find the tenor of Seven's post interesting. There seems to be a pervasive attitude among some NIU fans that by knocking down other MAC teams, it somehow elevates the Huskies. I root for the other MAC teams when they don't play NIU because their successes add value to the NIU accomplishments.

I know that no one cares about college football musings from Seven and me, but if we as a grass roots fan base can't embrace the teams from our own conference and build them up instead of tear them down, we defeat ourselves. Social media can play a part in national perception.

I myself have no problems with recognizing other good MAC teams.

2012 Kent was not a good team.

Agreed. I would argue that the best win for Kent that year was against Ball State, not Rutgers.

(12-18-2014 11:29 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 08:17 AM)7 Wrote:  

Quote:3) 2012 Kent State Golden Flashes. Change one or two random plays in that MACC, and it would have been Kent State playing in that Orange Bowl instead of the Huskies. I actually thought this team was better than NIU that season. They were a little more balanced and had an all around stronger team, albeit very slightly.

Quote:LOLOLOLOLOLOL the team NIU outgained by like 300 yards in the MAC Championship game?

Kent State would have lost by like 50 to Florida State in the Orange Bowl. Get out of here with this nonsense.

In hindsight, I should have Kent behind the 2012 Huskies - I forgot they lost their bowl that year after the MACC loss. That said, I don't think they warrant six LOL's. Dri Archer was dynamite and they had an impressive road win against #18 Rutgers. That team played good defense when they weren't matched up against #6. MAC teams have a tough time getting ranked (ask the NIU kids this season about that) and Kent spent a handful of weeks on the chart that season. 2012 was an amazing season for the MAC. Two ranked teams battling it out in the conference title game with the winner going to a BCS bowl. It was a shining moment for the conference and I wish you wouldn't tarnish that by disparaging Kent State.

You had them above every one of the last 5 NIU teams, which is absurd. The 2010, 2012 (clearly), and 2013 teams were all way better than that Kent team, and that's just NIU teams. If you want to argue that Kent team was better than 2014 and 2011, sure, but even that's up for debate.

They were a solid team that took advantage of a lot of breaks during the regular season? The 3rd best MAC team you've seen? You must not watch a lot of MAC games.

(12-18-2014 12:22 PM)BarsemaBone2 Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 12:19 PM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  Beating Rutgers is not exactly a tough accomplishment.

(12-18-2014 12:15 PM)niusfactuary Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 12:14 PM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  [quote='BarsemaBone2' pid='11558752' dateline='1418920719']

I don't think he was disparaging Kent State as much as he was disparaging you for having them so high on the list. Yeah, they're defense was alright and they got a bunch of turnovers, but other than Archer and Durham, was there anyone on that offense that was dangerous?

I simply find the tenor of Seven's post interesting. There seems to be a pervasive attitude among some NIU fans that by knocking down other MAC teams, it somehow elevates the Huskies. I root for the other MAC teams when they don't play NIU because their successes add value to the NIU accomplishments.

I know that no one cares about college football musings from Seven and me, but if we as a grass roots fan base can't embrace the teams from our own conference and build them up instead of tear them down, we defeat ourselves. Social media can play a part in national perception.

Quote:I myself have no problems with recognizing other good MAC teams.

2012 Kent was not a good team.

Okay, so how did NIU fans feel when Herbie and the network talking heads blasted the Huskies for making a BCS bowl? The prevailing thought was NIU was a joke because of the schedule they played.

Huskie fans were up in arms defending NIU, right? I guess that's changed now. If we are saying that Kent State was not a good team, in spite of going undefeated in conference play, in spite of beating an eighteenth ranked team on the road, in spite of going to double overtime in the MACC, in spite of being voted in the top twenty five by the national media - we are then saying that Herbie is correct.

NIU really did not deserve to be in that BCS game if the best team the MAC had to offer was as bad as we now seemingly portray Kent State to be.

I have read comments that the Rutgers game really wasn't that impressive of a win - Rutgers wasn't all that good anyway. Or that Rutgers turned the ball over seven times or Kent State would not have won. That Kent State only had two good players on offense. That the only impressive win they had was Ball State. That their defense wasn't that good if they didn't generate turnovers.

All the same kind of stuff that people wrote and said about the Huskies that we didn't agree with or appreciate.

Was the 2012 Golden Flashes team as good as the 2012 Huskies team? Perhaps not, but NIU fans are being very hypocritical to blast Kent State in the same manner the national media pissed on the Huskies.

Plus, they had a guy who looked like Thor on their team - the guy who fumbled on that ridiculous play. That in itself should be enough to boost them up in everyone's rankings.

Kent State was a good team. But I don't think they were better than most of the recent NIU teams, and I wouldn't put them on a list of best MAC teams I've seen.

You're crazy if you think that Kent team was one of the best teams ever. One of the best in 2012, yes, but no where near as talented as the 2012 NIU team.

(12-18-2014 03:10 PM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  Okay, so how did NIU fans feel when Herbie and the network talking heads blasted the Huskies for making a BCS bowl? The prevailing thought was NIU was a joke because of the schedule they played.

Huskie fans were up in arms defending NIU, right? I guess that's changed now. If we are saying that Kent State was not a good team, in spite of going undefeated in conference play, in spite of beating an eighteenth ranked team on the road, in spite of going to double overtime in the MACC, in spite of being voted in the top twenty five by the national media - we are then saying that Herbie is correct.

NIU really did not deserve to be in that BCS game if the best team the MAC had to offer was as bad as we now seemingly portray Kent State to be.

I have read comments that the Rutgers game really wasn't that impressive of a win - Rutgers wasn't all that good anyway. Or that Rutgers turned the ball over seven times or Kent State would not have won. That Kent State only had two good players on offense. That the only impressive win they had was Ball State. That their defense wasn't that good if they didn't generate turnovers.

All the same kind of stuff that people wrote and said about the Huskies that we didn't agree with or appreciate.

Was the 2012 Golden Flashes team as good as the 2012 Huskies team? Perhaps not, but NIU fans are being very hypocritical to blast Kent State in the same manner the national media pissed on the Huskies.

Plus, they had a guy who looked like Thor on their team - the guy who fumbled on that ridiculous play. That in itself should be enough to boost them up in everyone's rankings.

Give it up. You put 2012 Kent State at #3 on your list of all-time great MAC teams. That is absolutely hilarious. Instead of trying to push the fault on everyone else you should probably just admit that they don't belong on the list. No one said that they were a god awful team but they sure as hell weren't even close to one of the best. There is plenty of data to support that...for example they were 46th in the country at the end of the year if you averaged the rankings available. You're making it worse by suggesting that the people who are calling you out on your garbage rankings are the problem.

Im in agreement with most of the fans it seems. I think the Kent State squad was good but was a bit of an anomaly. Not to take anything away from them, as they did what they needed to do to get to the MACC but I've taken that year of Kent State of random since they haven't done anything before or since.

and that Kent State team also lost to a 2-10 Kentucky team.

(12-18-2014 03:35 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 03:10 PM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  Okay, so how did NIU fans feel when Herbie and the network talking heads blasted the Huskies for making a BCS bowl? The prevailing thought was NIU was a joke because of the schedule they played.

Huskie fans were up in arms defending NIU, right? I guess that's changed now. If we are saying that Kent State was not a good team, in spite of going undefeated in conference play, in spite of beating an eighteenth ranked team on the road, in spite of going to double overtime in the MACC, in spite of being voted in the top twenty five by the national media - we are then saying that Herbie is correct.

NIU really did not deserve to be in that BCS game if the best team the MAC had to offer was as bad as we now seemingly portray Kent State to be.

I have read comments that the Rutgers game really wasn't that impressive of a win - Rutgers wasn't all that good anyway. Or that Rutgers turned the ball over seven times or Kent State would not have won. That Kent State only had two good players on offense. That the only impressive win they had was Ball State. That their defense wasn't that good if they didn't generate turnovers.

All the same kind of stuff that people wrote and said about the Huskies that we didn't agree with or appreciate.

Was the 2012 Golden Flashes team as good as the 2012 Huskies team? Perhaps not, but NIU fans are being very hypocritical to blast Kent State in the same manner the national media pissed on the Huskies.

Plus, they had a guy who looked like Thor on their team - the guy who fumbled on that ridiculous play. That in itself should be enough to boost them up in everyone's rankings.

Give it up. You put 2012 Kent State at #3 on your list of all-time great MAC teams. That is absolutely hilarious. Instead of trying to push the fault on everyone else you should probably just admit that they don't belong on the list. No one said that they were a god awful team but they sure as hell weren't even close to one of the best. There is plenty of data to support that...for example they were 46th in the country at the end of the year if you averaged the rankings available. You're making it worse by suggesting that the people who are calling you out on your garbage rankings are the problem.