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RE: It's too bad many of the fans of this conference...
What some of you don't understand is that we're all in this bed together, you have no choice. I don't want you rooting for my team, and I'm not going to root for yours. But trying your best to make our team look bad, just makes yours look bad too. Cause playing us will only be bad for you, win or lose.
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Do Memphis and Cincy not have message boards devoted solely to your teams? Or are you like evangelical fans here to spread the good word of Cincinnati/Memphis athletics and to convert us nonbelievers.

Reminds me of State fans who hope all day for an opportunity to tell an ECU fan how little they care about ECU.

I care so little about the AAC and the other teams in it that I'm here posting on the AAC board.
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RE: It's too bad many of the fans of this conference...
(12-18-2014 11:40 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 10:26 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 12:09 AM)TheEastisPurple Wrote:  
(12-17-2014 11:29 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(12-17-2014 05:14 PM)dezagcoog Wrote:  Lobsters, when put in a bucket, constantly pull each other down to try and get out, instead of propping each other up and helping each other.

Any lobster that makes it out of the bucket ain't coming back to that bucket to save shat --- it's every lobster for himself.

That is true but even if you look at it from a purely selfish point of view (which I don't necessarily think there is anything wrong with) it is still better to hype the conference up. Memphis just won the conference in football, so which strategy makes you guys look better. Saying the conference is crappy (and therefore Memphis won a crappy conference) or its a good conference?

Not saying Memphis fans are saying that, I haven't really seen any of that. But from ECU's point, if our fans are calling this a crappy conference then we can't even win a crappy conference.

No one is going to be fooled by a conference of lobsters. And everyone knows what happens to the lobsters that don't make it out. Of course the smaller lobsters are going to advocate working together --- what are their options? Bands off and hold an all-lobster gladiatorial display and watch you smaller lobsters run away like Frenchman? Worthless. Look, I'd rather my school go it alone. And if we make it out we'll be sure to wave back while you wave your legs and claws around on the frying pan.

Lobsters are essentially giant, underwater cockroaches. A creature with a hard carapace eating dead matter off the floor. Get me out of here!

You seem to miss the whole point of the analogy, as you get close to the top, you also get pulled down by everyone else. You don't really get out of here. There is only two team that has truly moved up in how many years? TCU and louisville. And some have fallen back in the bucket. The rest who thought they'd been pulled up are down here with the rest of us still.
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(12-17-2014 05:14 PM)dezagcoog Wrote:  
(12-17-2014 05:13 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Whatchu talkin about Willis?

Lobsters, when put in a bucket, constantly pull each other down to try and get out, instead of propping each other up and helping each other.

Good Analogy.
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(12-18-2014 02:01 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 01:44 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  I care only about Memphis and the ambitions of our school to put itself in a better position. Whatever to other schools.
I do care about the AAC teams to a certain extent. The problem is UC has no rivalries in the AAC. A casual fan can not really drive to any of the away games in conference.
Plus, the money is crap.

The old Big East was perfect for UC. Great BB, good FB and good academics. Natural rivalries with WVU, Pitt, and a longstanding rivalry with UofL. Each within an easy drive.

Do ballplayers in AAA really root for each other. Yeah, to a certain extent...BUT they all have their eye on the show. Pretty much same thing for the AAC and some of the MWC folks.

I don't disagree with anything you posted. And in anything other than FBS football I think you would be spot on. The difference with FBS football is that SOS matters big time and this conference is 75% of ECU's SOS (or in your case Cincinnati's). Our conference champion doesn't automatically go to a playoff for a national championship so the only thing I can hope is that the rest of the conference is strong enough so if ECU wins out they can be in the conversation.

Like in the NFL I'm a Giants fan. There is no way in hell I'm rooting for anyone else in that division. It doesn't matter if the Giants have 2 wins against an 0-16 Washington or 13-3 Washington, if the Giants win the division they move on to the playoffs. In FBS football its a unique situation. You hope that the teams you beat do well enough to get your team to where you want it to go.

For AAA baseball players no matter how good you do in AAA you're not going to the Wolrd Series. In FBS football it's feasible (though admittedly not very likely) that you can do good enough (by virtue of the teams you beat doing good enough) to get there.

The idea isn't "Like ECU because I'm insecure and I want your approval" just like it's not "I like Cincinnati because I think they're super neat and give me warm fuzzy feelings". It's "I hope Cincinnati looks good to the committee so that when we beat Cincinnati THAT looks good to the committee" (or vice versa).
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(12-18-2014 01:44 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  I care only about Memphis and the ambitions of our school to put itself in a better position. Whatever to other schools.

So you won't be mad when the conference reciprocates that attitude towards Memphis, right?
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(12-18-2014 03:13 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 01:44 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  I care only about Memphis and the ambitions of our school to put itself in a better position. Whatever to other schools.

So you won't be mad when the conference reciprocates that attitude towards Memphis, right?

I don't have a problem with it, you guys already do it and I've survived thus far not giving a rat's ass about the lot of you
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Dumb thread is dumb
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A couple of score ago our forefathers bought about a new conference. We are the inheritors of that conference and its proud traditions. We must stand together for apart we will surely perish. So I ask for calmer heads to prevail and for us not to speak from a place of rhetoric and hate but instead join hands and...

...hold on I'm getting a call. Hello...Big XII?...I see...how much a year!?!? Wow..sure...I can be there like in a couple hours...ok...and thanks...


...so where was I...so yeah you're on your own playa.

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(12-18-2014 04:33 PM)panama Wrote:  [Image: aa_lincoln_subj_e.jpg]

A couple of score ago our forefathers bought about a new conference. We are the inheritors of that conference and its proud traditions. We must stand together for apart we will surely perish. So I ask for calmer heads to prevail and for us not to speak from a place of rhetoric and hate but instead join hands and...

...hold on I'm getting a call. Hello...Big XII?...I see...how much a year!?!? Wow..sure...I can be there like in a couple hours...ok...and thanks...


...so where was I...so yeah you're on your own playa.

[Image: packing.gif]

And who here has advocated that anyone who gets a call up should not leave? Guess what, you know what one of the most important details to getting a call up? Doing well on the field. It still comes back to trying to make your competition look as good as possible so that you look as good as possible beating them, so that finally, you can get that invite. I just don't see how that's not clear.
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LOL funny that it's mostly Memphis people defending the short sighted attitude. Notice I didn't say selfish, I consider myself just as selfish, just a lot more prudent.
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(12-18-2014 04:53 PM)dezagcoog Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 04:33 PM)panama Wrote:  [Image: aa_lincoln_subj_e.jpg]

A couple of score ago our forefathers bought about a new conference. We are the inheritors of that conference and its proud traditions. We must stand together for apart we will surely perish. So I ask for calmer heads to prevail and for us not to speak from a place of rhetoric and hate but instead join hands and...

...hold on I'm getting a call. Hello...Big XII?...I see...how much a year!?!? Wow..sure...I can be there like in a couple hours...ok...and thanks...


...so where was I...so yeah you're on your own playa.

[Image: packing.gif]

And who here has advocated that anyone who gets a call up should not leave? Guess what, you know what one of the most important details to getting a call up? Doing well on the field. It still comes back to trying to make your competition look as good as possible so that you look as good as possible beating them, so that finally, you can get that invite. I just don't see how that's not clear.
Its a joke...

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(12-18-2014 04:56 PM)panama Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 04:53 PM)dezagcoog Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 04:33 PM)panama Wrote:  [Image: aa_lincoln_subj_e.jpg]

A couple of score ago our forefathers bought about a new conference. We are the inheritors of that conference and its proud traditions. We must stand together for apart we will surely perish. So I ask for calmer heads to prevail and for us not to speak from a place of rhetoric and hate but instead join hands and...

...hold on I'm getting a call. Hello...Big XII?...I see...how much a year!?!? Wow..sure...I can be there like in a couple hours...ok...and thanks...


...so where was I...so yeah you're on your own playa.

[Image: packing.gif]

And who here has advocated that anyone who gets a call up should not leave? Guess what, you know what one of the most important details to getting a call up? Doing well on the field. It still comes back to trying to make your competition look as good as possible so that you look as good as possible beating them, so that finally, you can get that invite. I just don't see how that's not clear.
Its a joke...

[Image: lighten-up-francis-o.gif]

I get that you weren't being rude about it. I just want to be clear that I'm not advocating anyone needs to pretend they want to stay in the AAC or that I or anyone would decline an invite to a P5. On the contrary, I want ot kick everyone's butt on the field so that we get that invite. People just can't seem to acknowledge the fact that belittling your competition, belittles your achievement against them.
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(12-18-2014 05:02 PM)dezagcoog Wrote:  I get that you weren't being rude about it. I just want to be clear that I'm not advocating anyone needs to pretend they want to stay in the AAC or that I or anyone would decline an invite to a P5. On the contrary, I want ot kick everyone's butt on the field so that we get that invite. People just can't seem to acknowledge the fact that belittling your competition, belittles your achievement against them.

Unfortunately my experience on message boards is that more often than not that is the interaction as if 1) belittling them actually makes them lesser or 2) message board readers are decision makers in conference realignment.
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(12-18-2014 05:05 PM)panama Wrote:  Unfortunately my experience on message boards is that more often than not that is the interaction as if 1) belittling them actually makes them lesser or 2) message board readers are decision makers in conference realignment.

Well obviously not, but perception is reality isn't it? And if we help create a perception of ineptitude and futility people seeing from the outside will believe it. I mean, the P5 is simply the P5 cause they claim they are. There's no real quantitative or qualitative reason we should be separated, but we are. I'm especially talking about the lower teams.

Look I know we don't have much control over the situation, but why do we do our damnedest to make it worse? Why not try our best to make it better? Because it's more satisfying in the "now" to mock and make fun of each other? Screw the future, it takes too much patience and care to do what is best for our school, I'd rather put the other team down and contribute to the social view that they're crap. Why do you think the biggest winners in sports always show respect to their opponents?
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When I say whatever to other schools, I mean I am not impacted what goes on either way. Memphis has to take care of their own business.
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(12-18-2014 05:13 PM)dezagcoog Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 05:05 PM)panama Wrote:  Unfortunately my experience on message boards is that more often than not that is the interaction as if 1) belittling them actually makes them lesser or 2) message board readers are decision makers in conference realignment.

Well obviously not, but perception is reality isn't it? And if we help create a perception of ineptitude and futility people seeing from the outside will believe it. I mean, the P5 is simply the P5 cause they claim they are. There's no real quantitative or qualitative reason we should be separated, but we are. I'm especially talking about the lower teams.

Look I know we don't have much control over the situation, but why do we do our damnedest to make it worse? Why not try our best to make it better? Because it's more satisfying in the "now" to mock and make fun of each other? Screw the future, it takes too much patience and care to do what is best for our school, I'd rather put the other team down and contribute to the social view that they're crap. Why do you think the biggest winners in sports always show respect to their opponents?

I think most of that is message board bravado. I have found by and large that fan bases bare little resemblance to their message board posters.If GT fans acted like StingTalk posters Georgia tech would have conquered most of Europe and half of the Middle East.So I dont think the belittling is widespread outside the interwebz. Most G5 fans just want their program to be on the same level as State U but could care less one way or another about conference mates.
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I root for Memphis and no one else, always have, always will. What the rest of you or your schools do when your team isn't playing Memphis isn't any of concern. I don't give a **** about the schools in the American any more than I did those in C-USA or the Metro and if we get called up to the B12, I won't give a **** about any of those schools either. Lameass fantasyland utopia be damned. If you play Memphis I root against you, if you aren't playing Memphis, I do not even think about you. Simple, end of story, I don't care how good or bad you may be, that's not my concern.
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(12-18-2014 06:34 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  I root for Memphis and no one else, always have, always will. What the rest of you or your schools do when your team isn't playing Memphis isn't any of concern. I don't give a **** about the schools in the American any more than I did those in C-USA or the Metro and if we get called up to the B12, I won't give a **** about any of those schools either. Lameass fantasyland utopia be damned. If you play Memphis I root against you, if you aren't playing Memphis, I do not even think about you. Simple, end of story, I don't care how good or bad you may be, that's not my concern.

Good point. I don't know why I should care about other schools performance. That's not our problem. The coaches and administration is in charge of that.
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(12-18-2014 06:42 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote:  
(12-18-2014 06:34 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  I root for Memphis and no one else, always have, always will. What the rest of you or your schools do when your team isn't playing Memphis isn't any of concern. I don't give a **** about the schools in the American any more than I did those in C-USA or the Metro and if we get called up to the B12, I won't give a **** about any of those schools either. Lameass fantasyland utopia be damned. If you play Memphis I root against you, if you aren't playing Memphis, I do not even think about you. Simple, end of story, I don't care how good or bad you may be, that's not my concern.

Good point. I don't know why I should care about other schools performance. That's not our problem. The coaches and administration is in charge of that.

So why do either of you post on this board? Particularly during non conference time in basketball season when you aren't currently playing any of us? Not only do you care about other schools outside of Memphis (even if its pure hatred) but you apparently also care about the fans of schools other than Memphis, or else you wouldn't be here.
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