(12-17-2014 01:32 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 01:28 PM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  I profile against "Youth"

Those riff raff are never up to good!

Them.............and gypsies!!

Darn hooligans!

(12-17-2014 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think profiling is just lazy police work. If you don't have the work ethic to properly investigate then you have no business wearing a badge.

Kinda shows just how far from reality your views on this are.

Profiling is not just your left wing talking points BS. Its a big part of police work and criminal investigations.

(12-17-2014 11:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  What I consider profiling is assuming that a gathering of people is doing something illegal because they are all black or assuming a kid is going to be stupid because they don't know English.

That's just being lazy. Too lazy to get to know people, too lazy to find out what they are really about.

Interesting knowing that you yourself have many times mocked large groups of mostly white gatherings as likely racists whenever it suits your political whims. I've never met a committed leftist who doesn't every chance they get.

Very few Americans truly believe anyone is inherently stupid due to skin color. There are a few out there, but there are a few out there of everything.

I think the left wing practice of always calling all political opposition racists is a much better example of intellectual laziness.

(12-17-2014 04:37 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  What I consider profiling is assuming that a gathering of people is doing something illegal because they are all black or assuming a kid is going to be stupid because they don't know English.

That's just being lazy. Too lazy to get to know people, too lazy to find out what they are really about.

Interesting knowing that you yourself have many times mocked large groups pf mostly white gatherings as likely racists whenever it suits your political whims. I've never met a committed leftist who does't every chance they get.

Very few Americans truly believe anyone is inherently stupid due to skin color. There are a few out there, but there are a few out the of everything.

I think the left wing practice of always calling all political opposition racists is a better example of intellectual laziness.

Very well spoken.

(12-17-2014 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think profiling is just lazy police work. If you don't have the work ethic to properly investigate then you have no business wearing a badge.

Can I ask what you do for a living?

Not that I really want to know, but everyone, in every task where they have a goal that involves other people 'profiles'.

You profiled when you dated. You profiled when you selected a line at the grocery store or which girl scout to buy cookies from.


When police 'profile', they aren't doing what you describe by assuming that all black people are criminals or whatever... they are making logical inferences based on consistent profiles to which there are exceptions (so you don't dismiss evidence that conflicts with the profile) but that allows you to be far more efficient in reaching your goal.

Essentially you are profiling the police (without having statistics on your side) by assuming that when they profile, they are doing what you describe. Do some of them? Absolutely. But those people don't fit the profile of the police.

(12-17-2014 11:34 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think profiling is just lazy police work. If you don't have the work ethic to properly investigate then you have no business wearing a badge.

Easy to say if one isn't a police officer. I have no idea what those folks go through each day. Whatever helps them survive each day the better.

In my own work in the past, we profiled all the time. We knew that a certain boat, moving at a certain speed, and from a certain direction could be carrying lots of drugs. Was it always the case? No. Did we hit big loads when we pursued these? Yes, more often than not.

(12-17-2014 06:47 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think profiling is just lazy police work. If you don't have the work ethic to properly investigate then you have no business wearing a badge.

Can I ask what you do for a living?

He's a teacher.

Good luck banning profiling. That's a natural reaction, not something easy to control. What, are you gonna ban staring or glancing at an attractive woman walking down the street, especially with nice curves?

(12-17-2014 07:02 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:34 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think profiling is just lazy police work. If you don't have the work ethic to properly investigate then you have no business wearing a badge.

Easy to say if one isn't a police officer. I have no idea what those folks go through each day. Whatever helps them survive each day the better.

In my own work in the past, we profiled all the time. We knew that a certain boat, moving at a certain speed, and from a certain direction could be carrying lots of drugs. Was it always the case? No. Did we hit big loads when we pursued these? Yes, more often than not.

Yep, profiling in a sensible and responsible manner is something everyone does. Don't politicians do it when they campaign for votes? When I used to live in NJ we all knew, as white guys, that the police would stop us if we went into the non white neighborhoods of Newark, Jersey City, etc. They figured we were looking to buy drugs or wanted some other kind of trouble. And if a white guy was in those neighborhoods that was usually the case and the cops would be right.

(12-17-2014 08:27 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Good luck banning profiling. That's a natural reaction, not something easy to control. What, are you gonna ban staring or glancing at an attractive woman walking down the street, especially with nice curves?

Aren't you profiling if you look to see if she's wearing a wedding ring?

(12-17-2014 12:11 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  What I consider profiling is assuming that a gathering of people is doing something illegal because they are all black or assuming a kid is going to be stupid because they don't know English.

That's just being lazy. Too lazy to get to know people, too lazy to find out what they are really about.

Lots of cops get assaulted or killed trying to find out what people are about.

That's what they signed up for. "Protect and serve"

(12-17-2014 08:28 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 08:27 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Good luck banning profiling. That's a natural reaction, not something easy to control. What, are you gonna ban staring or glancing at an attractive woman walking down the street, especially with nice curves?

Aren't you profiling if you look to see if she's wearing a wedding ring?

Who cares about that? Let her bring that up.

It's impossible not to profile. Lets say outside of a local bar at exactly 10PM for three days straight a group of white kids bust out windows of customers at the bar. On the 4th night cops are waiting in an alley outside the bar. Suddenly a group of white kids emerge, should the police stop those kids or wait for them to bust out a window of a car? Now we don't know if this set of white kids is the same set of kids..... This is an example of how/why profiling works.

(12-17-2014 07:02 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:34 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think profiling is just lazy police work. If you don't have the work ethic to properly investigate then you have no business wearing a badge.

Easy to say if one isn't a police officer. I have no idea what those folks go through each day. Whatever helps them survive each day the better.

In my own work in the past, we profiled all the time. We knew that a certain boat, moving at a certain speed, and from a certain direction could be carrying lots of drugs. Was it always the case? No. Did we hit big loads when we pursued these? Yes, more often than not.

Whenever profiling is brought up I think of Israel's "El Al" airline. I mean, can you think of any other airline that terrorist want to attack more? El Al actively profiles. I mean, they'll walk up to a passenger in line if something looks suspicious or out of place. Only one El Al airplane has ever been hijacked, and that was in 1968. Profiling works.

(12-18-2014 10:23 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 07:02 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:34 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think profiling is just lazy police work. If you don't have the work ethic to properly investigate then you have no business wearing a badge.

Easy to say if one isn't a police officer. I have no idea what those folks go through each day. Whatever helps them survive each day the better.

In my own work in the past, we profiled all the time. We knew that a certain boat, moving at a certain speed, and from a certain direction could be carrying lots of drugs. Was it always the case? No. Did we hit big loads when we pursued these? Yes, more often than not.

Whenever profiling is brought up I think of Israel's "El Al" airline. I mean, can you think of any other airline that terrorist want to attack more? El Al actively profiles. I mean, they'll walk up to a passenger in line if something looks suspicious or out of place. Only one El Al airplane has ever been hijacked, and that was in 1968. Profiling works.

But checking someone that looks suspicious isn't profiling. That's good police work. Profiling is when you check everyone who has a beard because they look like terrorists. That is bad police work.

If you are going to focus on beards ( profiling) you are going to miss the grandma with the bomb.

(12-18-2014 10:30 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 10:23 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 07:02 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:34 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think profiling is just lazy police work. If you don't have the work ethic to properly investigate then you have no business wearing a badge.

Easy to say if one isn't a police officer. I have no idea what those folks go through each day. Whatever helps them survive each day the better.

In my own work in the past, we profiled all the time. We knew that a certain boat, moving at a certain speed, and from a certain direction could be carrying lots of drugs. Was it always the case? No. Did we hit big loads when we pursued these? Yes, more often than not.

Whenever profiling is brought up I think of Israel's "El Al" airline. I mean, can you think of any other airline that terrorist want to attack more? El Al actively profiles. I mean, they'll walk up to a passenger in line if something looks suspicious or out of place. Only one El Al airplane has ever been hijacked, and that was in 1968. Profiling works.

But checking someone that looks suspicious isn't profiling. That's good police work. Profiling is when you check everyone who has a beard because they look like terrorists. That is bad police work.

If you are going to focus on beards ( profiling) you are going to miss the grandma with the bomb.

Fit, on a typical, normal, every day basis, the cops have to play the odds and go by feel and experience. Would you say the odds of the next bomb blast will be caused by a grandma or a guy with a beard?

(12-18-2014 10:30 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 10:23 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 07:02 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:34 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:21 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I think profiling is just lazy police work. If you don't have the work ethic to properly investigate then you have no business wearing a badge.

Easy to say if one isn't a police officer. I have no idea what those folks go through each day. Whatever helps them survive each day the better.

In my own work in the past, we profiled all the time. We knew that a certain boat, moving at a certain speed, and from a certain direction could be carrying lots of drugs. Was it always the case? No. Did we hit big loads when we pursued these? Yes, more often than not.

Whenever profiling is brought up I think of Israel's "El Al" airline. I mean, can you think of any other airline that terrorist want to attack more? El Al actively profiles. I mean, they'll walk up to a passenger in line if something looks suspicious or out of place. Only one El Al airplane has ever been hijacked, and that was in 1968. Profiling works.

But checking someone that looks suspicious isn't profiling. That's good police work. Profiling is when you check everyone who has a beard because they look like terrorists. That is bad police work.

If you are going to focus on beards ( profiling) you are going to miss the grandma with the bomb.

lol. what do you think EL AL is doing?

I'm not commenting on what El Al is doing. I'm still trying to explain the difference between profiling and good police work.

Checking out suspicious behavior is common sense and good police work.


Checking out bearded fellows is profiling.

(12-18-2014 11:25 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm not commenting on what El Al is doing. I'm still trying to explain the difference between profiling and good police work.

Checking out suspicious behavior is common sense and good police work.


Checking out bearded fellows is profiling.

Fit, look at the below images and tell me:

Where would I likely be in the most danger?
Where would I likely be able to see crime?
Where would I likely be able to see someone with an educations?
Where would I likely be able to see someone with a job?

(12-18-2014 11:57 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-18-2014 11:25 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm not commenting on what El Al is doing. I'm still trying to explain the difference between profiling and good police work.

Checking out suspicious behavior is common sense and good police work.


Checking out bearded fellows is profiling.

Fit, look at the below images and tell me:

Where would I likely be in the most danger?
Where would I likely be able to see crime?
Where would I likely be able to see someone with an educations?
Where would I likely be able to see someone with a job?

All of the questions you asked are common sense questions that any good cop would ask themselves before patrolling an area. That isn't profiling.

Profiling is stopping a group of black kids simply because they are black.