(02-12-2015 08:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Since it is highly improbable that the ESPN controlled SEC would be given permission to take ACC schools then it pretty much depends upon the Big 10 to get the ball rolling. Should that happen I would strongly suspect it would be in conjunction with a new Big 10 contract for T1 rights with ESPN. That would give the network the opportunity it needs to enhance the SECN with schools from North Carolina and Virginia and then give ESPN precisely the kinds of property they would need to convert the LHN into a network for Big 12 and ACC properties. This approach could work quite well if the resulting conferences moved to between 16 to 18 schools each. In such a move your Bearcats could easily be picked up along with UConn.

The so called "Dude of Minnesota" seems to believe on twitter that the B1G favors eastern markets and similiarilly interested schools Virginia Tech and UConn. I would add Georgia Tech in that camp too, but that's me. He seems to also think that UVA/UNC/Duke have no interest in the B1G.

The Dude of WV had a funny tweet today about Jeff Long's comments. He's mentioned earlier this year that a P5 school had contacted the B12. He didn't say who, but after Long's remarks he made an interesting tweet say it was roughly "Nebraska and Arkansas....The big secret is out" or something along those lines. As a hog fan, man, that B12 North division would suck. Imagine this:
B12 North: WVU, ISU, Nebraska, KSU, KU, Arkansas
B12 South: Texas, TT, Baylor, TCU, OU, OSU

(02-13-2015 01:38 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(02-12-2015 08:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Since it is highly improbable that the ESPN controlled SEC would be given permission to take ACC schools then it pretty much depends upon the Big 10 to get the ball rolling. Should that happen I would strongly suspect it would be in conjunction with a new Big 10 contract for T1 rights with ESPN. That would give the network the opportunity it needs to enhance the SECN with schools from North Carolina and Virginia and then give ESPN precisely the kinds of property they would need to convert the LHN into a network for Big 12 and ACC properties. This approach could work quite well if the resulting conferences moved to between 16 to 18 schools each. In such a move your Bearcats could easily be picked up along with UConn.

The so called "Dude of Minnesota" seems to believe on twitter that the B1G favors eastern markets and similiarilly interested schools Virginia Tech and UConn. I would add Georgia Tech in that camp too, but that's me. He seems to also think that UVA/UNC/Duke have no interest in the B1G.

I don't know how that could be done with the GoR agreements but that would present an interesting scenario: let's say the B12 takes Cincinnati and then UConn and VT go B1G. What does the ACC do? Do they ask ND to join? That wouldn't seem to happen. So they'll have to find someone elsewhere. FSU would insist on a football add but among the choices would be UCF, which would add a third school in Florida, not something the Noles would want. Tulane is small and private. Houston would add a major market but distance would be an issue. If no B12 or SEC schools join then replacement candidates would be mediocre at best.

That's why losing VT would be a big blow (and partly why the ACC made sure to lock up the current membership).

(02-13-2015 06:37 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 01:38 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(02-12-2015 08:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Since it is highly improbable that the ESPN controlled SEC would be given permission to take ACC schools then it pretty much depends upon the Big 10 to get the ball rolling. Should that happen I would strongly suspect it would be in conjunction with a new Big 10 contract for T1 rights with ESPN. That would give the network the opportunity it needs to enhance the SECN with schools from North Carolina and Virginia and then give ESPN precisely the kinds of property they would need to convert the LHN into a network for Big 12 and ACC properties. This approach could work quite well if the resulting conferences moved to between 16 to 18 schools each. In such a move your Bearcats could easily be picked up along with UConn.

The so called "Dude of Minnesota" seems to believe on twitter that the B1G favors eastern markets and similiarilly interested schools Virginia Tech and UConn. I would add Georgia Tech in that camp too, but that's me. He seems to also think that UVA/UNC/Duke have no interest in the B1G.

I don't know how that could be done with the GoR agreements but that would present an interesting scenario: let's say the B12 takes Cincinnati and then UConn and VT go B1G. What does the ACC do? Do they ask ND to join? That wouldn't seem to happen. So they'll have to find someone elsewhere. FSU would insist on a football add but among the choices would be UCF, which would add a third school in Florida, not something the Noles would want. Tulane is small and private. Houston would add a major market but distance would be an issue. If no B12 or SEC schools join then replacement candidates would be mediocre at best.

That's why losing VT would be a big blow (and partly why the ACC made sure to lock up the current membership).

Rumors about Nebraska and Arkansas returning to the Big 12 have been floated on boards for a while. I have found no institutionally based talk about any thing of its kind taking place. Murrdcu mentioned P5's dropping out in another thread. I think that could happen, but not in the Big 10 or SEC unless privates are permitted labor unions. But let's just assume the GOR of the ACC could be broken. Virginia, North Carolina and Duke would seek to stay together and North Carolina has already tested the water with its alums about moving North and it was overwhelmingly rebuffed as an option. Since the moves would be about sports and the fans sentiments have to be considered I don't the Big 10 would be their preference. However Va Tech fans seem to be more open to it and Delany would love a large state school in VA. I agree such a move would cripple the ACC. But, it opens the door for a broader movement of schools to final destinations. The Big 12 gets into Florida, but with the Noles and Canes along with Clemson and Georgia Tech. Louisville and Pitt come in from the North possibly along with N.C. State. Notre Dame then has a choice to make between the Big 10 and Big 12. Syracuse likely goes with the Irish either way. B.C. may have to negotiate a home. Wake drops down. The SEC takes the core (all hoops first so they can still be kings in the SEC in their sport and add Kentucky to the mix). The SEC finds a fourth between Big 12 duplicates and ACC leftovers and there's your movement.

(02-13-2015 01:45 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  The Dude of WV had a funny tweet today about Jeff Long's comments. He's mentioned earlier this year that a P5 school had contacted the B12. He didn't say who, but after Long's remarks he made an interesting tweet say it was roughly "Nebraska and Arkansas....The big secret is out" or something along those lines. As a hog fan, man, that B12 North division would suck. Imagine this:
B12 North: WVU, ISU, Nebraska, KSU, KU, Arkansas
B12 South: Texas, TT, Baylor, TCU, OU, OSU

That is never going to happen. But I will never dismiss the notion of Arkansas join those of the Big12 south and forming a new conference with those programs. Especially if A&M and LSU could be lured also. Jerry Jones has been pushing this issue for awhile, and didn't he just donate something like 250 acres of prime real-estate to the University. Wasn't it valued at 10 million.

(02-15-2015 12:09 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 01:45 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  The Dude of WV had a funny tweet today about Jeff Long's comments. He's mentioned earlier this year that a P5 school had contacted the B12. He didn't say who, but after Long's remarks he made an interesting tweet say it was roughly "Nebraska and Arkansas....The big secret is out" or something along those lines. As a hog fan, man, that B12 North division would suck. Imagine this:
B12 North: WVU, ISU, Nebraska, KSU, KU, Arkansas
B12 South: Texas, TT, Baylor, TCU, OU, OSU

That is never going to happen. But I will never dismiss the notion of Arkansas join those of the Big12 south and forming a new conference with those programs. Especially if A&M and LSU could be lured also. Jerry Jones has been pushing this issue for awhile, and didn't he just donate something like 250 acres of prime real-estate to the University. Wasn't it valued at 10 million.

I am an outsider compared to you in regards to Arkansas but from the outside it seems like Arkansas has moved on from it's Texas centric culture and has fully embraced the SEC. The idea of the likes of Arkansas, LSU, Missouri and Texas A&M all joining and rejoining The Big 12 is very interesting but money and viewership don't really seem to support any such theory of any of those schools going to the big 12.

The gravitational pull these days is pulling away from the big 12, not into it

(02-15-2015 12:09 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 01:45 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  The Dude of WV had a funny tweet today about Jeff Long's comments. He's mentioned earlier this year that a P5 school had contacted the B12. He didn't say who, but after Long's remarks he made an interesting tweet say it was roughly "Nebraska and Arkansas....The big secret is out" or something along those lines. As a hog fan, man, that B12 North division would suck. Imagine this:
B12 North: WVU, ISU, Nebraska, KSU, KU, Arkansas
B12 South: Texas, TT, Baylor, TCU, OU, OSU

That is never going to happen. But I will never dismiss the notion of Arkansas join those of the Big12 south and forming a new conference with those programs. Especially if A&M and LSU could be lured also. Jerry Jones has been pushing this issue for awhile, and didn't he just donate something like 250 acres of prime real-estate to the University. Wasn't it valued at 10 million.

Arkansas will be making north of $40 million in the SEC within 2 years. I doubt seriously that your administration will be walking away from that money for Jerry Jones or anyone else at a time when everyone's state budgets are being cut. Nothing, and I mean nothing is going to bring back a version of the SWC or for that matter rebuild the Big 12 in its old image as long as the disparity between the earnings of the Big 10/SEC are what they are with the ACC and Big 12 and I might add PAC going forward. The best you can hope for is that Oklahoma and Texas and maybe 1 or 2 more former Big 12 members wind up in the SEC West and we can essentially operate our divisions like conferences.

(02-15-2015 12:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 12:09 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 01:45 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  The Dude of WV had a funny tweet today about Jeff Long's comments. He's mentioned earlier this year that a P5 school had contacted the B12. He didn't say who, but after Long's remarks he made an interesting tweet say it was roughly "Nebraska and Arkansas....The big secret is out" or something along those lines. As a hog fan, man, that B12 North division would suck. Imagine this:
B12 North: WVU, ISU, Nebraska, KSU, KU, Arkansas
B12 South: Texas, TT, Baylor, TCU, OU, OSU

That is never going to happen. But I will never dismiss the notion of Arkansas join those of the Big12 south and forming a new conference with those programs. Especially if A&M and LSU could be lured also. Jerry Jones has been pushing this issue for awhile, and didn't he just donate something like 250 acres of prime real-estate to the University. Wasn't it valued at 10 million.

Arkansas will be making north of $40 million in the SEC within 2 years. I doubt seriously that your administration will be walking away from that money for Jerry Jones or anyone else at a time when everyone's state budgets are being cut. Nothing, and I mean nothing is going to bring back a version of the SWC or for that matter rebuild the Big 12 in its old image as long as the disparity between the earnings of the Big 10/SEC are what they are with the ACC and Big 12 and I might add PAC going forward. The best you can hope for is that Oklahoma and Texas and maybe 1 or 2 more former Big 12 members wind up in the SEC West and we can essentially operate our divisions like conferences.

I would never say never. 10 years ago people would have laughed at you, if you even suggested that Maryland would be in the Big10 and Missouri would be in the SEC. Just because currently the Big10 and SEC are currently feasting on network monies doesn't mean others wont catch up or get similar deals.

(02-15-2015 12:30 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 12:09 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 01:45 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  The Dude of WV had a funny tweet today about Jeff Long's comments. He's mentioned earlier this year that a P5 school had contacted the B12. He didn't say who, but after Long's remarks he made an interesting tweet say it was roughly "Nebraska and Arkansas....The big secret is out" or something along those lines. As a hog fan, man, that B12 North division would suck. Imagine this:
B12 North: WVU, ISU, Nebraska, KSU, KU, Arkansas
B12 South: Texas, TT, Baylor, TCU, OU, OSU

That is never going to happen. But I will never dismiss the notion of Arkansas join those of the Big12 south and forming a new conference with those programs. Especially if A&M and LSU could be lured also. Jerry Jones has been pushing this issue for awhile, and didn't he just donate something like 250 acres of prime real-estate to the University. Wasn't it valued at 10 million.

I am an outsider compared to you in regards to Arkansas but from the outside it seems like Arkansas has moved on from it's Texas centric culture and has fully embraced the SEC. The idea of the likes of Arkansas, LSU, Missouri and Texas A&M all joining and rejoining The Big 12 is very interesting but money and viewership don't really seem to support any such theory of any of those schools going to the big 12.

The gravitational pull these days is pulling away from the big 12, not into it

But that's the thing. It hasn't. 46% of the students that attend the UofA come from the states of Oklahoma and Texas. People from those states get to pay instate tuition. Take a moment and think about that.

(02-15-2015 03:00 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 12:30 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(02-15-2015 12:09 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(02-13-2015 01:45 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  The Dude of WV had a funny tweet today about Jeff Long's comments. He's mentioned earlier this year that a P5 school had contacted the B12. He didn't say who, but after Long's remarks he made an interesting tweet say it was roughly "Nebraska and Arkansas....The big secret is out" or something along those lines. As a hog fan, man, that B12 North division would suck. Imagine this:
B12 North: WVU, ISU, Nebraska, KSU, KU, Arkansas
B12 South: Texas, TT, Baylor, TCU, OU, OSU

That is never going to happen. But I will never dismiss the notion of Arkansas join those of the Big12 south and forming a new conference with those programs. Especially if A&M and LSU could be lured also. Jerry Jones has been pushing this issue for awhile, and didn't he just donate something like 250 acres of prime real-estate to the University. Wasn't it valued at 10 million.

I am an outsider compared to you in regards to Arkansas but from the outside it seems like Arkansas has moved on from it's Texas centric culture and has fully embraced the SEC. The idea of the likes of Arkansas, LSU, Missouri and Texas A&M all joining and rejoining The Big 12 is very interesting but money and viewership don't really seem to support any such theory of any of those schools going to the big 12.

The gravitational pull these days is pulling away from the big 12, not into it

But that's the thing. It hasn't. 46% of the students that attend the UofA come from the states of Oklahoma and Texas. People from those states get to pay instate tuition. Take a moment and think about that.

Did not know that. I will respond though by saying that the scenario that I wholeheartedly believe comes to pass will include a school from Oklahoma joining the SEC which means both Texas and Oklahoma will be represented. That should be good enough for those visiting students.

Past experience has taught me not to believe anything that starts with "The Dude of WV".

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(02-16-2015 08:22 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Past experience has taught me not to believe anything that starts with "The Dude of WV".

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There was a point in time, I **** you not, that he actually had good information. Unfortunately the guy doesn't know how to let go when it is time to let go. Instead he has become, at best, a puppet.

There was about a year when WVU was in between The Big East and the big 12. At that point in time they were the perfect go between for the big 12 and anyone that they wanted to talk to. If WVU officials talked to them, then there was no way anyone could tie it to any conference and WVU alone isn't committing anything that could be claimed to be tortious interference.

At that point in time, WVU was understandably a hub of information. Why do I know this? Because it would be so easy to use them in such a manner that it would be stupid not to.

That was back when there was all the talk about schools going to the big 12. That is because the big 12 was actively trying to bring in particular schools in order save the big 12. When that failed, it became known in the big 12 that their conference's lifetime was limited.

(02-13-2015 08:25 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The SEC takes the core (all hoops first so they can still be kings in the SEC in their sport and add Kentucky to the mix). The SEC finds a fourth between Big 12 duplicates and ACC leftovers and there's your movement.

I agree with your statement. SEC would wait for the core of ACC schools to become available (Duke, UNC, UVA). Since UNC would probably be politically force to ensure a safe home for NC State, I'm sure the networks would work out a deal to send NC State to the B12 while sending someone to the SEC. Slive would want OU, but we'd probably end up with WVU. Only way ACC gets shredded is if B1G poaches first, TV money instability becomes a problem and Big 12 offers the best 4 or 6 of the southern football schools.

(02-15-2015 03:00 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  But that's the thing. It hasn't. 46% of the students that attend the UofA come from the states of Oklahoma and Texas. People from those states get to pay instate tuition. Take a moment and think about that.

Didn't know that either. The largest percentage of non-Arkansas enrollees are from Texas. Oklahoma being 2nd would be very understandable.

(02-15-2015 08:41 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Did not know that. I will respond though by saying that the scenario that I wholeheartedly believe comes to pass will include a school from Oklahoma joining the SEC which means both Texas and Oklahoma will be represented. That should be good enough for those visiting students.

OU's fan base is fracture enough on the decision to stay or leave the Big 12. I would love to see them in the SEC and the only important games they would need to schedule yearly would be against Texas and OSU. One would think after adding AAU members Texas A&M and Missouri that if the SEC could snag UVA, UNC and Duke that OU's academic side wouldn't completely dismiss that conference as an option.